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Grandicap posted:Order through strict compliance. Order cannot co-exist with freedom.
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Amnistar posted:Order cannot co-exist with freedom. My order is a large cola with a side of onion rings.
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Dec 11, 2020 15:22
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Grandicap posted:My order is a large cola with a side of onion rings. Excellent choice, as long as it’s a classic Coca-Cola and the onion rings are more like onion strings because those are waaaaaaay better than thick onion rings
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Dec 11, 2020 15:27
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Hal Incandenza posted:Excellent choice, as long as it’s a classic Coca-Cola and the onion rings are more like onion strings because those are waaaaaaay better than thick onion rings I only drink New Coke.
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Dec 11, 2020 15:35
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Amni, dgk, grandicap scum team
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Dec 11, 2020 15:42
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b-minus1 posted:Amni, dgk, grandicap scum team That would be a quality scum team that I would be a proud member of, alas, it is not so.
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Dec 11, 2020 15:45
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b-minus1 posted:Amni, dgk, grandicap scum team Seems legit
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Dec 11, 2020 15:57
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Hal Incandenza posted:Excellent choice, as long as it’s a classic Coca-Cola and the onion rings are more like onion strings because those are waaaaaaay better than thick onion rings This is a bad opinion, null on alignment however.
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Dec 11, 2020 16:02
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Idle Amalgam posted:Hello fellow participants, ia why do you have to make the scummiest posts lmao
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Dec 11, 2020 16:02
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I just wish to be scum or 3p, and I thought it best to disclose sincerely, that I was just... *sighs* ...town.
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Dec 11, 2020 16:11
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Grandicap posted:Order through strict compliance. this comment is funny to me (and only me) because it's how a lot of people interpreted the new era of japan, 令和 (Reiwa) when the name was first announced. the kanji actually come from a chinese poem, and ostensibly mean "order and peace", but the kanji 令 is most frequently seen in words relating to "order" in the stricter sense of like, military and commands and poo poo. so a lot of people saw the name and were like why are we promoting fascism literally naming our new era "peace through regime". anyway, this was unrelated to the game
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Dec 11, 2020 16:13
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The better question, in my opinion, is why do players take day 1 alignment claims to be scummy? What is inherently scummy about a player claiming their alignment. Town benefits from being reasonably open.
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Dec 11, 2020 16:14
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Mr. Steak posted:this comment is funny to me (and only me) because it's how a lot of people interpreted the new era of japan, 令和 (Reiwa) when the name was first announced. the kanji actually come from a chinese poem, and ostensibly mean "order and peace", but the kanji 令 is most frequently seen in words relating to "order" in the stricter sense of like, military and commands and poo poo. so a lot of people saw the name and were like why are we promoting fascism literally naming our new era "peace through regime". Lol this is a good tidbit though.
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Dec 11, 2020 16:15
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Idle Amalgam posted:The better question, in my opinion, is why do players take day 1 alignment claims to be scummy? ok so what's your role?
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Dec 11, 2020 16:17
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hi hello i am "pinball" ##vote hal
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Dec 11, 2020 16:17
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Idle Amalgam posted:The better question, in my opinion, is why do players take day 1 alignment claims to be scummy? i am town and i will cry if anyone thinks im not
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Dec 11, 2020 16:18
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Mr. Steak posted:ok so what's your role? "Reasonably open"
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Dec 11, 2020 16:18
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flerp posted:i am town and i will cry if anyone thinks im not flerp gets it
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Dec 11, 2020 16:18
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Idle Amalgam posted:"Reasonably open" bro, i dont necessarily think you are scum, but how in the world do you think town benefits being open about their town alignment. if every town player in this game claimed.... actually, why not? everyone, if you're town then say you're town! go! i am town.
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Dec 11, 2020 16:19
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Exactly, you never know if the bastard is a mod enough to put in a truth detector.
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Dec 11, 2020 16:20
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I’m town btw
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Dec 11, 2020 16:21
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I cannot lie detect. I'll clear that up now before I die too early lol.
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Dec 11, 2020 16:22
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this is a good plan because nobody ever lies
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Dec 11, 2020 16:22
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Idle Amalgam posted:Exactly, you never know if the bastard is a mod enough to put in a truth detector. not that you are arguing in good faith, but here's a serious response anyway (note: not scummy bad-faith, just jokephase bad-faith) in my experience truth detectors need to have a restriction about checking alignments anyway, because without that they are in no way different from a daycop. but with it, they are so extremely situational that i cant think of a way to make it fun.
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Dec 11, 2020 16:23
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lie detect this post instead i love you all
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Dec 11, 2020 16:24
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Mr. Steak posted:not that you are arguing in good faith, but here's a serious response anyway This is fair. My point before it is too far gone, is that town, whether or not they can take other claims at face value, should more often than not be open and sincere. It's moot though.
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Dec 11, 2020 16:25
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flerp posted:lie detect this post instead if this was true, you would have changed your avatar months ago
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Dec 11, 2020 16:25
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i have avs turned off 
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Dec 11, 2020 16:25
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oh sick, i just tried using adblock to selectively block just the image of your avatar and it worked.
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Dec 11, 2020 16:27
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Idle Amalgam posted:This is fair. My point before it is too far gone, is that town, whether or not they can take other claims at face value, should more often than not be open and sincere. This is dumb, if you consistently town claimed as town early in d1, what would stop scum IA from doing the same? The possibility of lie detectors is slim enough that it does not impact the calculus significantly. It is instead white noise and offers nothing. Instead, it makes it feel like that by stating it, you are spotlighting something that you are insecure about. The only alignment claim one should make d1 is a Survivor claim, because a d1 survivor claim is a fun way to play. Everything else is irrelevant because if you are scum you should just say you are town, and if you are town you should say you are town, nothing worth analyzing there at all.
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Dec 11, 2020 16:30
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I’ve already added two people to my confirmed town list
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Dec 11, 2020 16:30
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b-minus1 posted:I’ve already added two people to my confirmed town list drat, i only got 1 so far
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Dec 11, 2020 16:30
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Grandicap posted:because a d1 survivor claim is a fun way to play. as the authority of survivor meta, i have to say no to this one. as for claiming survivor as another alignment, why would you intentionally lose the game?
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Dec 11, 2020 16:32
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imo scum should claim d1
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Dec 11, 2020 16:34
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flerp posted:i have avs turned off Pro
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Dec 11, 2020 16:35
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Mr. Steak posted:as the authority of survivor meta, i have to say no to this one. All I can think of is Jester. flerp posted:imo scum should claim d1 Only if they're the freakin' Siberian. Jebus that role was insane. Mr. Steak posted:ok so what's your role? ##vote Mr. Steak don't like this.
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Dec 11, 2020 16:40
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apostateCourier posted:##vote Mr. Steak don't like this. i might be thinking of someone else, but i think this is the 2nd time you've voted me for jokingly rolefishing on d1
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Dec 11, 2020 16:41
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How exactly am I supposed to tell that it's a joke?
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Dec 11, 2020 16:42
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Mr. Steak posted:as the authority of survivor meta, i have to say no to this one. No, claiming survivor as survivor is fun. If you can get town to agree that you are the best possible execution candidate on the day before ExLO, you give yourself free reign to scum hunt. Scum shouldn't kill you because you can theoretically vote with them, and should, if the gamestate gets to the point where they are 1 off the win. And town has no real reason to kill you until it becomes a pressing matter. It is a bad scum claim because you are essentially putting yourself on the block if town does poorly, as keeping a survivor around in ExLO+1 is a death sentence. It forces you to play pro town with a scum shield. But mostly because survivor is a boring role to play in my opinion, it puts too much emphasis on self-preservation, which means you don't want to have inflammatory opinions, and you don't want to stick your neck out. So it favors a lower posting strategy. That is all not helpful to the current situation, I was just saying the only scenario in which an alignment claim D1 makes sense. (I guess this pertains to all 3rd parties, especially if close to execution d1, a 3p claim can give you a stay of execution if your win con is orthogonal to town's.)
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apostateCourier posted:How exactly am I supposed to tell that it's a joke? The absurdity. Noone would actually ask for a roleclaim in that way, so it must be a joke.
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