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Misogynist losers love to latch onto any “woke” nerd property and drag it through the mud. A lot of the times this kind of works because most nerd media is already kind of mediocre and adding women to it doesn’t change that (2016 Ghostbusters, The Marvels — two movies I liked but weren’t really pushing any boundaries). So they can blame “wokism” for failures. But She-Hulk was legitimately great and one of the best MCU properties in awhile. I’m really sad it doesn’t look like we’ll be getting any more of it.
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shades of eternity posted:yeah I thought Angel Season 1 wasn't notably bad. BoBF was almost great but they idiot-ball Fett to stretch it out, didn't utilize/structure the Sand People plot that should of hit harder, and brought in Cad Bane for 8 seconds. At least we got to see Boba Fett's patented "Murder Face" that he makes when he is maskless and bludgeoning someone. Star Trek: The Next Generation would of killed the franchise if there wasn't a thirst for new Trek at the time. Probably the worst first season of a show compared to how much better it got later. MokBa posted:Misogynist losers love to latch onto any “woke” nerd property and drag it through the mud. A lot of the times this kind of works because most nerd media is already kind of mediocre and adding women to it doesn’t change that (2016 Ghostbusters, The Marvels — two movies I liked but weren’t really pushing any boundaries). So they can blame “wokism” for failures. The Marvels is super fun though, did not deserve to bomb at all.
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Apr 12, 2025 18:10
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KurdtLives posted:Ghostbusters made me was mad as gently caress because of how great that cast is and the director's track record I was expecting it to be amazing and we got meh and OF COURSE that emboldened the incels do do incel poo poo. It felt like a safe, "modern" movie where they had some kind of checklist to follow instead of shooting for the moon with, I agree, an amazing cast. She-Hulk was amazing and I love it. More please! Modern "discourse" often relies on throwing around insult labels based upon heuristics rather than anything involving nuance. Pointing this out (gently or no) just makes some folks double down, which is very middleschool of them. The main problem with this is that everything gets conflated together.
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Apr 12, 2025 18:25
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Thanks for the She-Hulk talk, I had written it off but gonna check it out now
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Apr 12, 2025 19:18
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The legal stuff in She Hulk drives me up the wall but there’s some really fun performances and story notes.
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Apr 12, 2025 19:45
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She-Hulk called out the manbabies, and they never forgave them, even though it proved She-Hulk was right. Anyone complaining about the last episode has never read a She-Hulk comic. ultimately, it needed more nightcourt. Dan Fielding is practically tailor-made to be She-Hulk's archnemesis, with just enough ethics not to be a villain. shades of eternity fucked around with this message at 20:46 on Apr 12, 2025 |
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Apr 12, 2025 20:41
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Ghostbusters (2016) didn't need slavish adherence to Ghostbusters "lore." It didn't need to end with a big guy getting blasted. It could have been a much stronger and more personal story about two adults rediscovering their friendship through paranormal investigation. The Marvels didn't need editing to the point of incoherence to accommodate an extra screening each day instead of allowing it any time at all to fully explore the theme of adoptive daughters. It could have just... dealt with the ideas it presented.
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Apr 12, 2025 20:56
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I didn't think she hulk was incredible, but it was ok. It did the comic really well and Maslany was great in the role. I just thought it was generally boring. I wish they made a second season though, could have gotten better with like some of the comic storylines.
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Apr 12, 2025 21:11
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you all desperately need to watch some real tv shows and movies lmao
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Imazul posted:I didn't think she hulk was incredible, but it was ok. It did the comic really well and Maslany was great in the role. I just thought it was generally boring. I wish they made a second season though, could have gotten better with like some of the comic storylines. Daredevil cameo episode was good at least
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Apr 12, 2025 21:21
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I love that Daredevil got brought over the MCU proper in 3 separate cameos in other shows/movie, before his own show.
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Apr 12, 2025 21:28
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Dongicus posted:you all desperately need to watch some real tv shows and movies lmao What's your personal Criterion collection?
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Apr 12, 2025 21:29
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Dongicus posted:you all desperately need to watch some real tv shows and movies lmao Only if they are MCU canon
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Apr 12, 2025 21:29
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Dongicus posted:you all desperately need to watch some real tv shows and movies lmao I don't watch shows.I just listen to YouTube critics summaries, but only those that agree with my already formed views.
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Apr 12, 2025 21:34
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I bet quite a few of you have missed the Hawkeye - Echo - Daredevil "trilogy", which has Fisk involved in all 3. And now The Swordsman in 2 of them. I had, until recently (I gave up for awhile, but now have almost caught back up). Better yet, all three are some of the best Marvel TV shows - each for different reasons.
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Marvel teased us with She Hulk as a superhero Ally McBeal, but none of the writers had ever seen Ally McBeal or any other legal procedural.
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Dongicus posted:you all desperately need to watch some real tv shows and movies lmao - Posted in the thread specifically for discussing this kind of thing 
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Rubber Chicken posted:- Posted in the thread specifically for discussing this kind of thing and what of it, rereg guy?
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Tender Bender posted:Thanks for the She-Hulk talk, I had written it off but gonna check it out now Okay I've watched three episodes and this show is great. I can see how it wouldn't hit with people who watch all the MCU shows because it's not really there to be a required piece of the MCU canon, it's a fun comedy using the MCU license. Which is why it's good. 1st AD posted:Marvel teased us with She Hulk as a superhero Ally McBeal, but none of the writers had ever seen Ally McBeal or any other legal procedural. It doesn't really seem like it's going for that. It's a "legal procedural" in the same way that, like, Crazy Ex-Girlfriend is a legal procedural.
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shades of eternity posted:She-Hulk called out the manbabies, and they never forgave them, even though it proved She-Hulk was right. redshirt posted:I bet quite a few of you have missed the Hawkeye - Echo - Daredevil "trilogy", which has Fisk involved in all 3. And now The Swordsman in 2 of them. Rubber Chicken posted:- Posted in the thread specifically for discussing this kind of thing KurdtLives fucked around with this message at 07:02 on Apr 13, 2025 |
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I'm glad I was informed Echo actually ended up getting made and that it was good, because I quite enjoyed it and it would have completely slipped by unnoticed if people hadn't been talking it up ahead of Born Again being released.
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At the time I was expecting Ms. Marvel to get a lot more hate than She-Hulk, a brown muslim girl would seem like a chud magnet.
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The secret is Ms Marvel is like good, uncontroversial and doesn't really like actively antagonize then. Those assholes only pile on poo poo that is controversial, directly attacks them, or is just generally bad in order to trojan horse their bullshit into discussions to say "wokeness" made this bad or whatever, to try and twist people into using that framing themselves to perpetuate it. You notice how few like legitimately good things get this treatment or if it does they get no traction (on the star wars side I'm sure there are YouTubers screaming about like Andor and wokeness but lol)
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I like The Marvels, but it felt like a Sunday Disney movie (like Earth Star voyager) That's not a bad thing, but it should have had 1/10th of the budget leaning into it. 
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shades of eternity posted:I like The Marvels, but it felt like a Sunday Disney movie (like Earth Star voyager) A lot was cut, and I'm sure Secret Invasion's story didn't do them any favors with the story lead-in.
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Just watched the first three episodes of Daredevil season 2 and drat, I forgot how strong this season started. I think its great that, in the context of a Daredevil story, we're getting a Frank Castle who has already been Punisher for a while so we're not really going to see Frank struggling with his decisions, or even seeing much humanity in him. That's probably why the back half struggles, not just the shift in focus, but it struggles with what to do with Frank so we get a bunch of humanizing scenes with him and Karen. I do like that Frank, similar to Matt, can turn on the charm when needed. His little conversation with the marine super on the rooftop was great. One thing I have not liked is the legal wrangling in DD S1 and it seems to get worse in DD S2. I really hate that these are defense lawyers who keep saying they only represent innocent people lol.
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notthegoatseguy posted:Just watched the first three episodes of Daredevil season 2 and drat, I forgot how strong this season started. The Netflix universe kind of struggles with what to do with Frank in general, probably out of an interest in keeping him sympathetic. So in my recollection when they get to his own show they just keep retconning his backstory so there's more and more people who were actually responsible for murdering his family and need to be revenge-killed.
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Jon did read that giant stack of Punisher trade paperbacks, but also good on the writers for introducing him in that season like an unescapable force of nature, seasoned like Punisher from the MAX line is. but then yeah it's been a constant walkback from that kind of dead-inside MAX Frank to something with some humanity left in him, the first season could be seen as a "year one" of sorts with Frank giving advice to Karen, all that stuff, if we ignore what happened in DD S2 *shrug* Also yeah the ever expanding list of 'no, the ones who were behind your family's death were really THESE guys!'
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Dexo posted:You notice how few like legitimately good things get this treatment or if it does they get no traction (on the star wars side I'm sure there are YouTubers screaming about like Andor and wokeness but lol) Tender Bender posted:The Netflix universe kind of struggles with what to do with Frank in general, probably out of an interest in keeping him sympathetic. So in my recollection when they get to his own show they just keep retconning his backstory so there's more and more people who were actually responsible for murdering his family and need to be revenge-killed.
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Dexo posted:
One of the bigger examples I can think of recently was the response to the Barbie movie. You had stuff like Ben Shapiro looking performatively disgusted after walking out of the theater, but pretty much everyone else agreed that movie slapped or at least was a fun watch, so the hate on it gained very little traction lol
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DD Season 2 Episode 4: People often talk about the first half being really good, but this is a 10 season episode. And this episode's first 3/4ths is really good. You even get Daredevil on a rooftop overseeing Castle's arrest, with theme music that makes it sound like the episode ends. But the episode keeps going for like 10 minutes to shoehorn in more Karen and Matt romance, and then tease Elektra at the end. I know the show's producers in the Netflix-era talked about how difficult it was to do post-credits scenes with the way Netflix auto-starts to the next episode, and I think this and the Stick episode in Season 1 is the closest thing they do to work around it...and I just don't like it. I wish the episode ended with Castle's arrest, and everything else could've been pushed to the next episode.
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Mouth Ze Dong posted:A lot was cut, and I'm sure Secret Invasion's story didn't do them any favors with the story lead-in. Ah yes, secret invasion, the series that gives the inhumans a run for its money in quality. You through away an amazing setup for nothing!
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I watched Moon Knight (well, skimmed through some of it) and it was mostly good, aside from having to end like most superhero stuff with evil magical laser beams. It also kind of fell a bit flat in some areas because you could never be 100 percent sure what was real so some of the scenes never hit home as hard. BUT. It actually did hold my interest throughout its run. Lovely characters, neat visuals and thoughtful depictions of a person going through something impossible. Certainly one of the better Marvel depictions.
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notthegoatseguy posted:DD Season 2 Episode 4:
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lol @ the suggestion that Ghostbusters 2016 failed because the original was secretly trash all along. I watched the first half of that movie and turned it off, which I never do. I was pretty critical of it at first, but of course incels and chuds had to take it way too far and get really nasty with the cast, none of which I think are responsible for the movie being as bad as it is, and even if they had been guilty of the crime of making a pretty bad movie no one deserves that kind of poo poo. It got way too uncomfortable to be critical of very quickly. Incels really do ruin everything.
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live with fruit posted:The most jarring part about there only being one episode left is what the hell Jack's doing on this show. He's a low-level vigilante that we know, and that's his entire role. The more Tony Dalton the merrier but this is barely anything. He got to be part of that breathtaking long zoom shot. I've never seen anything like it.
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yeah ghostbusters 2016 was loving rear end but saying so then could lump you in with some real gross folks
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Depends what state you're in. Looool
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redshirt posted:I bet quite a few of you have missed the Hawkeye - Echo - Daredevil "trilogy", which has Fisk involved in all 3. And now The Swordsman in 2 of them. What's good about Echo again other than giving work to actors from Reservation Dogs. It left my memory insanely fast and I just watched it a few weeks ago. E: the opening fight with Daredevil was good. Some of the other fights before the plot reassured itself again too
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Tender Bender posted:The Netflix universe kind of struggles with what to do with Frank in general, probably out of an interest in keeping him sympathetic. So in my recollection when they get to his own show they just keep retconning his backstory so there's more and more people who were actually responsible for murdering his family and need to be revenge-killed. Still not as bad as the movie version where it's like the Castle Family Reunion of like 60 beloved parents, aunts, uncles, cousins, kids, grandkids etc and a loving army comes in like they're invading a foreign country.
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