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Dec 3, 2004

Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu: sometimes passing just isn't an option.
They started shooting a month ago and I’m assuming the show will be released around the same time next year

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Sockser
Jun 28, 2007

This world only remembers the results!




The casting of Netflix DD is so loving impeccable, I do not understand how someone showed up to continue the story and didn’t bother with Foggy, Karen, or Frank

Everyone is so god damned perfect in their roles
Karen showing up just completely breathes a lot of life back into the show

Tender Bender
Sep 17, 2004

This episode loving slapped. Frank punishing dozens of NYPD cops wearing lovely punisher gear was so loving funny. Holding a cop down and pumping bullet after bullet into his skull, lmao perfect.

I am a little disappointed that Fisk didn't have any feelings regarding Matt taking a bullet for him. I didn't think he'd suddenly have a change in character but I was hoping he'd at least show some hesitation or give Matt a break out of respect for the favor or something.

Sockser posted:

The casting of Netflix DD is so loving impeccable, I do not understand how someone showed up to continue the story and didn’t bother with Foggy, Karen, or Frank

Everyone is so god damned perfect in their roles
Karen showing up just completely breathes a lot of life back into the show

Yeah, it's over for Therapist Girlfriend, lmao

I honestly wouldn't have been surprised if Foggy had walked through the doors at the end. Again, while I'm glad this show exists I really wish they would have started from scratch with the story and characters this new team clearly wants to work with.

CAPT. Rainbowbeard
Apr 5, 2012

My incredible goodposting transcends time and space but still it cannot transform the xbone into a good console.
Lipstick Apathy

Marsupial Ape posted:

This is me completely free associating, but I wonder if the "Born Again" theme of this season isn't just a Christian allusion, but also a very round about nod to the dying/rising nature of some horned gods in antiquity. Matt always fidgeting with the broken horn from his mask put that in my head.

Mithras has some horn-adjacent imagery and has a similar coming back from the dead thing to Jesus.

So. How are they gonna be bringing Foggy back, if he's been seen on set or whatever?

everydayfalls
Aug 23, 2016
So I know the answer is because the show wouldn't exist without him, but why is frank still breathing? He comes in after murdering a bunch of the cops, murders a bunch more, then calls them a bunch of clowns to their faces. I get they idolize him, but the fragile stereotype loving cop that where his audience in that room famously don't take criticism well and have murdered people for far less. I assume the rest of the rich fucks he has locked up are collateral against their better half continued compliance, but why is frank in the cage instead of in a shallow grave?

I guess if it was all to get to "Thanks Anthony" it was worth it.

Dongicus
Jun 12, 2015
pretty good episode. kind of wish they scrapped everything they had for this season and started over - which obviously would have never have happened. pretty much most of the stuff here that works is payoff related to the netflix seasons lol. unreal.

Dongicus
Jun 12, 2015
anyway cya in a year(hopefully). cus no way am i watching she hulk or wolverine, or captain america season 5 or whatever lol.

IcePhoenix
Sep 18, 2005

Take me to your Shida

The Something Awful Forums > The Finer Arts > TV IV > MCU TV: Thank you, Anthony

Dongicus
Jun 12, 2015

Dongicus posted:

pretty good episode. kind of wish they scrapped everything they had for this season and started over - which obviously would have never have happened. pretty much most of the stuff here that works is payoff related to the netflix seasons lol. unreal.

one thing i'll give credit to the original team working on this - recasting vanessa, lol.

Spalec
Apr 16, 2010
When's Fisk getting added to Mortal Kombat? Because :drat:

live with fruit
Aug 15, 2010
I'm curious to see how season two handles [Thunderbolts] Sentry loving New York up in Thunderbolts. Or just Val living there.

live with fruit fucked around with this message at 07:31 on Apr 16, 2025

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

♪ Come with me, and you'll be, in a world of pure imagination. ♪

live with fruit posted:

I'm curious to see how season two handles Sentry loving New York up in Thunderbolts. Or just Val living there.

Quote above relates to one of the upcoming movies.

I hope it leads to a situation like one of my favorite bits from - I think season 1 of Daredevil? - when one of Kingpin's lieutenants gets told there is a new superhero in town and instead of freaking out about getting caught or exposed, his reaction is,"That's awesome! Those dudes do so much property damage and then we get to swoop in and buy up all the real estate for cheap! :hellyeah:"

Jerusalem fucked around with this message at 07:28 on Apr 16, 2025

Nameless Pete
May 8, 2007

Get a load of those...
I cracked up at the revelation about the Red Hook project. "Oh no, he's going to circumvent tariffs!"

Marsupial Ape
Dec 15, 2020
the mod team violated the sancity of my avatar

Nameless Pete posted:

I cracked up at the revelation about the Red Hook project. "Oh no, he's going to circumvent tariffs!"

TBF, it’s more like lil Madripoor.

Skios
Oct 1, 2021

Spalec posted:

When's Fisk getting added to Mortal Kombat? Because :drat:

More like MKU.

TIP
Mar 21, 2006

Your move, creep.



Marsupial Ape posted:

TBF, it’s more like lil Madripoor.

it reminded me of the zone of death

The Zone of Death is the 50-square-mile (130 km2) area in the Idaho section of Yellowstone National Park in which, as a result of a reported loophole in the Constitution of the United States, a person may be able to theoretically avoid conviction for any major crime, up to and including murder.

itry
Aug 23, 2019




Not sure why Frank just casually walked towards that group of armed cops to get punched in the face. Didn't he have a bunch of hardware in that bunker of his?
I guess there wasn't enough screentime to script a more gradual scenario. Regardless, it was silly.

Sockser posted:

The casting of Netflix DD is so loving impeccable, I do not understand how someone showed up to continue the story and didn’t bother with Foggy, Karen, or Frank

Everyone is so god damned perfect in their roles
Karen showing up just completely breathes a lot of life back into the show

It's impressive that it's been years since they played their respective roles and they all just slipped back into those characters like it was yesterday.

Parkingtigers
Feb 23, 2008
TARGET CONSUMER
LOVES EVERY FUCKING GAME EVER MADE. EVER.
Holy loving poo poo that was incredible. Hard to pick a favourite moment.


Frank shooting that one cop in the face.

Frank stabbing that one cop in the throat.

Frank stabbing that one cop in the dick.

Fisk taking matters into his own hands.

"You're an rear end in a top hat, Frank". "...Yeah."

The absolute joy I felt at seeing Karen Page again, and how in just a couple of scenes she outshined all of Murdock's new and improved(tm) supporting cast. Deborah Ann Woll is a treasure, and having so many episodes without her highlighted how much she was missed.

That one mayoral aide cravenly capitulating and giving up the police commissioner, which in the whole "Fisk is Trump instituting fascist rule" has so many real world examples of people joining in with the evil, not just out of glee (Fisk's cop task force) but out of cowardice.


I actually like now that it was split into two seasons, because it gives space for S2 to be all of this, all the time, but also because this episode is the Infinity War ending where the bad guy is ascendant and that was the last (and only?) time we've had a villain come out on top, even for a while, which makes a nice change in storytelling terms. The motherfucking Kingpin is back, baby.

IcePhoenix posted:

The Something Awful Forums > The Finer Arts > TV IV > MCU TV: Thank you, Anthony

This. It's boring that the thread title hasn't had a banger update for each show, someone wake up whoever changes these things.


Edit: The "army" was kind of lame, and that should have been "appearing in S2" hype cameos.

Parkingtigers fucked around with this message at 09:35 on Apr 16, 2025

Pingiivi
Mar 26, 2010

Straight into the iris!

Oasx
Oct 11, 2006

Freshly Squeezed
A good finale that somewhat made up for a disappointing season, I think a lot depends on whether or not we have to wait two years for another season.

As much as I love Jon Bernthal's Punisher and those crazy sounds he makes, I think it's somewhat of a shame that he mostly saved the season.
Generally I don't like storylines that consist of the hero quitting or losing their powers. As great as Charlie Cox and Vincent D'Onofrio, the season needed a bit more action.

Also, Matt's girlfriend seemed surprisingly ok with him not being at the hospital and his apartment blowing up.

thebardyspoon
Jun 30, 2005
Man I'm surprised so many people liked that, I thought it was mostly pretty bad, the episode and the season as a whole. The opening episode was decent, I actually quite enjoyed the bank episode as a standalone thing, thought it worked well in a larger sense as well, just showing a classic heist thing mixed up with the addition of Daredevil but he's stuck as Matt by chance.

Apart from the glorious cop murder in this ep though, the rest of it was crap. Even the cop murder felt a bit lacking in catharsis, imo the cool bit you get from that as an audience member is seeing the Punisher worshipping cops absolutely poo poo themselves when they realise he's not on their side and we kinda didn't get that cause they didn't really react at all in the initial scene since it was in the dark, even when the action was done they still didn't express any reaction at all really and then later they capture him and are trying to get him onside despite the fact he buried an axe in one of their faces. As someone else said, it doesn't make a lick of sense and you don't even get to enjoy the switch from "haha we're just like the Punisher, we're badasses" to "oh gently caress noooooooo".

thebardyspoon fucked around with this message at 14:33 on Apr 16, 2025

thrawn527
Mar 27, 2004

Thrawn/Pellaeon
Studying the art of terrorists
To keep you safe

Technowolf posted:

Kingpin wins! Fatality!

Cap Sam crashes through Fisk's window going "Yo, what the gently caress?"

"You have to do better, Mr. Mayor."

Seldom Posts
Jul 4, 2010

Grimey Drawer

thebardyspoon posted:

Man I'm surprised so many people liked that, I thought it was mostly pretty bad, the episode and the season as a whole. The opening episode was decent, I actually quite enjoyed the bank episode as a standalone thing, thought it worked well in a larger sense as well, just showing a classic heist thing mixed up with the addition of Daredevil but he's stuck as Matt by chance.

Apart from the glorious cop murder in this ep though, the rest of it was crap. Even the cop murder felt a bit lacking in catharsis, imo the cool bit you get from that as an audience member is seeing the Punisher worshipping cops absolutely poo poo themselves when they realise he's not on their side and we kinda didn't get that cause they didn't really react at all in the initial scene since it was in the dark, even when the action was done they still didn't express any reaction at all really and then later they capture him and are trying to get him onside despite the fact he buried an axe in one of their faces. As someone else said, it doesn't make a lick of sense and you don't even get to enjoy the switch from "haha we're just like the Punisher, we're badasses" to "oh gently caress noooooooo".

I agree with this, this was good table setting for season 2 but didn't have much catharsis for a finale.

Tender Bender
Sep 17, 2004

thebardyspoon posted:

Man I'm surprised so many people liked that, I thought it was mostly pretty bad, the episode and the season as a whole. The opening episode was decent, I actually quite enjoyed the bank episode as a standalone thing, thought it worked well in a larger sense as well, just showing a classic heist thing mixed up with the addition of Daredevil but he's stuck as Matt by chance.

Apart from the glorious cop murder in this ep though, the rest of it was crap. Even the cop murder felt a bit lacking in catharsis, imo the cool bit you get from that as an audience member is seeing the Punisher worshipping cops absolutely poo poo themselves when they realise he's not on their side and we kinda didn't get that cause they didn't really react at all in the initial scene since it was in the dark, even when the action was done they still didn't express any reaction at all really and then later they capture him and are trying to get him onside despite the fact he buried an axe in one of their faces. As someone else said, it doesn't make a lick of sense and you don't even get to enjoy the switch from "haha we're just like the Punisher, we're badasses" to "oh gently caress noooooooo".

I think folks (including myself) are willing to grade on a curve with the understanding that the production drama really hamstrung things. Things don't entirely line up but I get that the new production team had very little wiggle room to turn things around and get their pieces in place for the end of the season. And I like the show and cast enough to forgive it in exchange for getting anything at all.

Like, while I enjoyed these last two episodes the pacing felt pretty rushed; it seems like Fisk uses the attempt on his life as a kind of Reichstag fire to launch his martial law, but that's all coincidental and entirely separate from whatever his plot with the harbor is (unless he also masterminded Poindexter's escape and assassination attempt on himself). It feels like there's an episode missing somewhere here.

Especially when you look at the timeline:

  • Ball and assassination attempt on Fisk.
  • Matt rushed to the hospital.
  • Karen finds out, calls Frank, flies to New York.
  • Matt wakes up in the hospital and talks to Heather and his partner.
  • Frank gets a haircut and goes to Matt's apartment.
  • Fisk sits down with Vanessa and they come clean about Poindexter
  • Fisk sends murder boy to the hospital and engineers a blackout
  • Matt escapes the hospital
  • Matt and Frank are attacked at Matt's apartment
  • Matt, Frank, and Karen regroup at Frank's place
  • Frank goes to the harbor (?), kills dudes and is kidnapped
  • Fisk assembles loyalists and has the city council kidnapped and/or blackmailed (?)
  • Matt and Karen dig through old legal documents
  • Frank is confronted by the cop cult and beaten
  • Matt and Karen go to the harbor again
  • Fisk brings the police commissioner to the harbor and executes him
  • Fisk goes on TV and says "Last night, there was an attempt on my life"


All of this apparently occurred IN ONE NIGHT!
But I'll forgive them because I love Daredevil, haha.

redshirt
Aug 11, 2007

Thank you Anthony.... you dumbass.

Brazilianpeanutwar
Aug 27, 2015

Spent my walletfull, on a jpeg, desolate, will croberts make a whale of me yet?
Well it started off weak this season but it ended very strong.

Stupid plothole poo poo that probably doesn’t need to be thought about

how the gently caress did Bullseye not kill more people at the ballroom dance?

Where the gently caress are MCU heavy hitters while all this going down with city? Lol

Matt’s going to need more suits unless his suit room was explosion proof

Tender Bender
Sep 17, 2004

Brazilianpeanutwar posted:

Well it started off weak this season but it ended very strong.

Stupid plothole poo poo that probably doesn’t need to be thought about

how the gently caress did Bullseye not kill more people at the ballroom dance?

Where the gently caress are MCU heavy hitters while all this going down with city? Lol

Matt’s going to need more suits unless his suit room was explosion proof

Yeah it requires you to imagine that the rest of the MCU isn't really there and also that the Mayor of New York is a much more powerful and invulnerable position than it is. But oh well it still slaps

Nfcknblvbl
Jul 15, 2002

The guild of calamitous intent and sphinx didn’t pencil in any hard hitters for New York this season. You’ll have to check in again later.

Zefiel
Sep 14, 2007

You can do whatever you want in life.


I'm fine with imagining the other MCU guys are busy with whatever, people also get mad when the world is TOO small (i.e. "OH what a coincidence Fisk's therapist is Matt's girlfriend!")

I am not fine with waiting however long for Frank x Swordsman team up holy cats that is going to be SO GOOD

For whoever asked why Frank would just walk up to the cops: 1) It was kinda working! 2) I bet his plan was to get captured all along, I mean we saw how it turns out thanks to Anthony

RIght now AO3 is -buckling- over the weight of gigabytes of fanfics being written about Matt Frank and Karen being a polycle

At first I was all 'wait is that Buck dude a master assassin or how does he think that lone dude will be enough to take down Matt at the hospital?' but I guess they expected to find him asleep? Fisk -does- know that Matt can hear very well if nothing else, I guess it was kind of a hail mary

redshirt
Aug 11, 2007

I've been trained by the comics to dismiss the question immediately of "Where are the other heroes?" unless it's an obvious crossover episode - and then you can allow for it. But one or two issues only!

Tender Bender
Sep 17, 2004

Zefiel posted:

At first I was all 'wait is that Buck dude a master assassin or how does he think that lone dude will be enough to take down Matt at the hospital?' but I guess they expected to find him asleep? Fisk -does- know that Matt can hear very well if nothing else, I guess it was kind of a hail mary

Buck is a poor man's Wesley and that's all, can't wait for him to find that out.

B-Rock452
Jan 6, 2005
:justflu:
Castle rules. Great episode overall and super excited for the next season

I'll tell ya right now, they come up here I'm not playing patty-cake with these fanboys. I'm chopping them up, you understand me

Tender Bender
Sep 17, 2004

B-Rock452 posted:

Castle rules. Great episode overall and super excited for the next season

I'll tell ya right now, they come up here I'm not playing patty-cake with these fanboys. I'm chopping them up, you understand me

The thing that makes this hit so well is that the principal cast feels born to play these roles, or vice versa (not a comics reader I understand there are many interpretations of these characters). They just so perfectly inhabit the world and it's a joy to see them. Every Jon Bernthal roar, every Charlie Cox head-tilt. Deborah Ann Woll walks in and it's like she never left. Just incredible stuff.

kiminewt
Feb 1, 2022

I loved that they played the old Daredevil theme when Karen appeared.

live with fruit
Aug 15, 2010
Sam would be a pretty bad Captain America if he just sat by while a crime lord locked up New York and disappeared people off the street, if not just murdering them.

Zefiel
Sep 14, 2007

You can do whatever you want in life.


Do the in-universe times match up so that Sam is busy -at that very moment- fighting Red dude?

It kinda makes sense people are all 'ok Fisk as a mayor yea whatever' if the President is Ross

moths
Aug 25, 2004

I would also still appreciate some danger.



I enjoyed the Muzak version of Killing me Softly during the hospital scene. You can never go wrong with a dumb audio gag.

mcmagic
Jul 1, 2004

Read my shitass posts in this idiot's voice and it all makes sense
Congrats to President Wilson Trump

Jose Oquendo
Jun 20, 2004

Star Trek: The Motion Picture is a boring movie

Seldom Posts posted:

I agree with this, this was good table setting for season 2 but didn't have much catharsis for a finale.

that's where I'm at. there's some good moments in the episode and season but the whole thing "You gotta watch season 2 to watch the real poo poo happen"

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Robot Style
Jul 5, 2009

Zefiel posted:

Do the in-universe times match up so that Sam is busy -at that very moment- fighting Red dude?

It kinda makes sense people are all 'ok Fisk as a mayor yea whatever' if the President is Ross

According to the timeline curated on the MCU fan wiki, Brave New World happens in April 2027, while the bank robbery in Born Again was on St. Patrick's Day in March. Depending on how long it took the rest of the season to unfold, they could very well be happening at the same time.

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