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Comrade Fakename posted:So yeah, they could use some constitutional reform. The other side of this is that the breaking of traditions and connections to origin with reason is a fundamental action of modernity and capitalism. I’m not applying good or bad to this, it could be either in a given situation. But it is definitely what western enlightenment based thought does and it is to impose that on another fictional culture.
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Ravel posted:I didn't say the film was bad. I'm talking about the post I referred to before Kaedric posted:The film portrays it as cool and actually good, as long as T'challa is the leader. In fact at the end of the film we're right back to where they started. right back to where we started, except for the social and political integration of the Jabari, and T'Challa deciding to end Wakanda's centuries long stance of isolationism, etc. I mean you could say "why didn't they just immediately abolish the monarchy and then create a new system of government from scratch?" but if we're criticizing the monarchy in the film because of real life, let me uh tell you a thing or two about governmental reform
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May 4, 2021 17:04
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Bleck posted:this post and subsequent responses by the poster are not just saying "monarchies are not a good form of government in real life," which nobody disagrees with, but rather implying that the depiction of a fantastical monarchy is itself irresponsible and bad, a problem with the film, despite the text of the film explicitly criticizing the idea I actually think Black Panther is a great movie. I also don't have a huge problem with the fact that Wakanda is a monarchy, in large part because I think the movie seemed to be pointing T'Challa in a direction where he would eventually dissolve the monarchy in a future film, but that doesn't change the fact that criticism of it does exist out there in critical discussions.
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Bar Ran Dun posted:But it is definitely what western enlightenment based thought does and it is to impose that on another fictional culture. yeah a bunch of posters said the post about President Trump was "trolling" but, like, I'm not American and I know Ravel is not American but I can't help but generally tend to assume that most of the posters going on about "monarchy bad" also live in a conservatively-oriented absolute plutocracy that's just barely holding itself together through current global events monarchy is bad but if the followup is "and that's why we should Capitalism," then no sorry I don't care
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May 4, 2021 17:10
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Kaedric posted:The film portrays it as cool and actually good, as long as T'challa is the leader. In fact at the end of the film we're right back to where they started. Sounds like the divine right of kings to me. Wakanda is a nation of gods, just like Asgard
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May 4, 2021 17:15
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Bleck posted:yeah a bunch of posters said the post about President Trump was "trolling" but, like, Black Panther: Wakanda Forever will be about the political turmoil involved with moving the country to post-scarcity luxury gay space communism.
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May 4, 2021 17:28
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I think Black Panther is a pretty good movie with hands down the worst action in the MCU
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May 4, 2021 17:35
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They can take inspiration from Coates and do a story about the transition to something more representative. That story still runs into accusations of whether the imposition of transitional institutions from western political philosophy is inherently colonial, but it's more ambitious and less critical of Black radicalism than anything they did in the original.
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May 4, 2021 17:44
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Bleck posted:yeah a bunch of posters said the post about President Trump was "trolling" but, like,
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May 4, 2021 18:06
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everything is propaganda! nothing is propaganda! if you cant see the inherent hypocrisy of advocating against case-by-case critical thinking in all information then im not really sure what more to say cant wait for a new show so we can be distracted for even a fleeting moment from the overwhelming troubles of the real and consider merely the whelming troubles of the imagined
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May 4, 2021 18:29
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The wakandans are all heavily armed and presumably ruled by consent so if they decide they want to keep their traditional method of electing a leader then it's p racist imo to criticize that
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May 4, 2021 18:42
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I would like to see an evil Tony Stark type character (a malevolent billionaire who funds villains) built up in the universe. Obvious choice is Justin Hammer which would rule but also they could go Norman Osborne route with Oscorp. I don’t know who runs AIM in the comics but that’s another route. Seems like the good guys have had basically unlimited funding so far which is kinda lame
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May 4, 2021 19:20
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a Loving Dog posted:Seems like the good guys have had basically unlimited funding so far which is kinda lame *Looks at thread title dubiously*
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a Loving Dog posted:I would like to see an evil Tony Stark type character (a malevolent billionaire who funds villains) built up in the universe. Obvious choice is Justin Hammer which would rule but also they could go Norman Osborne route with Oscorp. I don’t know who runs AIM in the comics but that’s another route. Ultron was a billionaire.
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May 4, 2021 19:23
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Bring back Ultron need more malevolent James Spader make him Sharon’s evil Jarvis
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May 4, 2021 19:24
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Zemo is a baron
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May 4, 2021 19:33
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There's always Doom
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Azhais posted:There's always Doom Sadly Karl Urban's character was killed in Thor: Ragnarok
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May 4, 2021 19:48
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Azhais posted:*Looks at thread title dubiously* I mean yeah but even that they only touched on for like 2 minutes in one episode of a 6 hour series
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May 4, 2021 19:49
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Doctor Nutt posted:Sadly Karl Urban's character was killed in Thor: Ragnarok I think, by various 90’s crossovers, Dredd actually counts as part of Marvel continuity.
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May 4, 2021 19:51
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radmonger posted:I think, by various 90’s crossovers, Dredd actually counts as part of Marvel continuity. An Alien infestation of Mega City One is 2000 AD canon (he even had a chestburster removed), and pretty sure he's had bother with a Predator once or twice too. Don't think there's ever been an explicit Marvel hero crossover though, just ones with Batman.
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May 4, 2021 20:39
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Azhais posted:There's always Doom There is only Doom.
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radmonger posted:I think, by various 90’s crossovers, Dredd actually counts as part of Marvel continuity. Dredd crossed over with batman, and batman crossed over with multiple marvel comics
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Terror Sweat posted:Dredd crossed over with batman, and batman crossed over with multiple marvel comics There's also Batman/Rorschach. Time for Dr Manhattan vs Galactus But what we really need is a cinematic adaptation of Batman vs Elmer Fudd Azhais fucked around with this message at 20:54 on May 4, 2021 |
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Wasn't their a comic where Deadpool did a DNA test and learned he had Wakandan ancestry and somehow managed to become king through that?
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radmonger posted:I think, by various 90’s crossovers, Dredd actually counts as part of Marvel continuity. Is this the same logic that means that WrestleMania takes place in the imagination of an autistic teenager?
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I mean it doesn't matter, this is all a simulation on a super computer anyways.
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May 4, 2021 23:17
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Loki starts Wednesday June 9th! Two days earlier! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNyLzc3MU_E
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That's good, Wednesdays are TV nights IMO.
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https://twitter.com/scifichick25/status/1389761269121490945 https://twitter.com/unclegrambo/status/1390072696801742848
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I kind of want to see the alternative world where the runner ups all got cast in the MCU and John Krasinski is Captain America, Shia LaBeouf is Loki, Joel Kinnaman is Thor, Joaquin Phoenix is Doctor Strange, Amanda Seyfried is Gamora, Saoirse Ronan is Scarlet Witch, Jessica Chastain is the Wasp, and Danny Devito or Jim Carrey are voicing Rocket.
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May 6, 2021 04:28
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Only if Groot is still played by Vin Diesel.
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The Saddest Rhino posted:https://twitter.com/scifichick25/status/1389761269121490945 He's right, they did roll the dice on nonames, and it landed
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:I kind of want to see the alternative world where the runner ups all got cast in the MCU and John Krasinski is Captain America, Shia LaBeouf is Loki, Joel Kinnaman is Thor, Joaquin Phoenix is Doctor Strange, Amanda Seyfried is Gamora, Saoirse Ronan is Scarlet Witch, Jessica Chastain is the Wasp, and Danny Devito or Jim Carrey are voicing Rocket. Well they’d be re-casting or have already re-cast Loki by this point.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:I kind of want to see the alternative world where the runner ups all got cast in the MCU and John Krasinski is Captain America, Shia LaBeouf is Loki, Joel Kinnaman is Thor, Joaquin Phoenix is Doctor Strange, Amanda Seyfried is Gamora, Saoirse Ronan is Scarlet Witch, Jessica Chastain is the Wasp, and Danny Devito or Jim Carrey are voicing Rocket. poo poo. gently caress. That’s it: Joel Kinnaman as Dr. Doom. Now, I can finally sleep.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:I kind of want to see the alternative world where the runner ups all got cast in the MCU and John Krasinski is Captain America, Shia LaBeouf is Loki, Joel Kinnaman is Thor, Joaquin Phoenix is Doctor Strange, Amanda Seyfried is Gamora, Saoirse Ronan is Scarlet Witch, Jessica Chastain is the Wasp, and Danny Devito or Jim Carrey are voicing Rocket. The only ones here I’d like to see are Phoenix as Strange and DeVito as Rocket, and even then I’m not convinced they’d be upgrades. Marvel’s had a nearly perfect combination of luck and skill when it comes to casting. The only outright miscastings I can think of offhand are Christopher Eccleston because they buried him in prosthetics, Renner because he’s so drat boring and generic, and Mads because he was largely wasted. Cheadle and Ruffalo have been definite upgrades over Howard and Norton, respectively, but it’s not as if the latter were bad per se or miscast in their debut films.
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If we're counting "the casting was too good for the role" as miscasts, I feel like they could have done better with Karl Urban. Maybe not way better, but better. he's good enough at disappearing in a role that they might not be opposed to using him twice, though, just slap a wig or some goggles on him and act like he bears no resemblance to Executioner e: and bring back Justin Hammer
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In all my years I've only ever seen one illustration showing Reed Richards with a beard, yet it is that picture that all the Twitter folk choose to use for their "dream casting" posts. Although now I'm wondering, can Reed stretch his hair and beard the same way as the rest of himself?
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Big Mean Jerk posted:The only ones here I’d like to see are Phoenix as Strange and DeVito as Rocket, and even then I’m not convinced they’d be upgrades. Marvel’s had a nearly perfect combination of luck and skill when it comes to casting. Phoenix as strange would have probably saved us from that god awful joker movie.
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