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Theophany posted:Yet you still bought an air fryer
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The way Newey tells it in his book is that they actually agreed to treat him more like a partner and keep him in the loop on major decisions and then they almost immediately turned around and fired Hill without telling him.
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Feb 24, 2021 15:22
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The management of Williams during that period was so loving poor.
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Feb 24, 2021 15:23
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the corona quid posted:The management of Williams during that period was so loving poor. By "that period" do you mean recorded human history?
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Feb 24, 2021 15:26
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Take the plunge! Okay! posted:TBH Hill and Villeneuve were probably the worst two WDCs of the modern era. Hill was a bottler and a mentally weak athlete. Villeneuve was bad at everything. They won their WDCs due to a combination of Newey genius, supreme Renault power at the time, Schumacher’s teething problems at Ferrari and the sheer incompetence of the rest of the field. Hill was pretty entertaining to watch, and came at a time when the UK didn't really have a competitive racer since Mansell left, which is one reason he became quite popular in the UK (and Japan). He was also able to pull out pretty impressive qualifying times out of loving no where often leaving his team mate scratching his head. your friend wicka posted:The way Newey tells it in his book is that they actually agreed to treat him more like a partner and keep him in the loop on major decisions and then they almost immediately turned around and fired Hill without telling him. Williams liked to do that with all their champions as they were of the opinion it was the car not the driver that won championships, which made their treatment of Newey seem even more bizarre Myrddin_Emrys fucked around with this message at 15:36 on Feb 24, 2021 |
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Feb 24, 2021 15:34
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your friend wicka posted:By "that period" do you mean recorded human history? Yeah but that period in particular was pretty brutal. Losing BMW might be the stupidest thing any team has ever done in F1
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Feb 24, 2021 15:39
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the corona quid posted:Yeah but that period in particular was pretty brutal. Losing BMW might be the stupidest thing any team has ever done in F1 McLaren once restructured the team such that there was no clear design lead and all the middle managers would just fight with each other and go their own way. Newey really fucks people up.
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Feb 24, 2021 15:53
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https://twitter.com/FerrariRaces/status/1364592784028631050 lets loving go
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Feb 24, 2021 16:15
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your friend wicka posted:McLaren once restructured the team such that there was no clear design lead and all the middle managers would just fight with each other and go their own way. Newey really fucks people up. Yeah I’m not diminishing Newey’s capacity to gently caress up. Dude tends to build glass cars on his good days and gets the team totally lost on his worst
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Feb 24, 2021 16:25
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Wurst thread, should I get a big green egg?
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Feb 24, 2021 16:29
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CancerCakes posted:Wurst thread, should I get a big green egg? Does it come with ham?
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Feb 24, 2021 16:30
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CancerCakes posted:Wurst thread, should I get a big green egg? they seem pointless to me
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Feb 24, 2021 16:35
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You put the ham in eggonut My brother loving loves his, but he can afford to buy a 1500 quid BBQ.
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Feb 24, 2021 16:40
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Take the plunge! Okay! posted:TBH Hill and Villeneuve were probably the worst two WDCs of the modern era. Hill was a bottler and a mentally weak athlete. Villeneuve was bad at everything. They won their WDCs due to a combination of Newey genius, supreme Renault power at the time, Schumacher’s teething problems at Ferrari and the sheer incompetence of the rest of the field. This is basically true. Hill actually wasn’t that bad in terms of skill - Villeneuve nearly lost a championship to the guy driving what was probably the 4th best car in the field.
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Feb 24, 2021 16:50
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It bears repeating - the ‘97 field was awful. Nicola Larini scoring points after 3+ years out of an F1 car in the first race and Herbert usually being just outside the top 6 regularly in qualifying was a pretty damning condemnation of the general field quality. WRT Berger not only was he old he also had a crippling Sinus infection. Of the newer generation (94+) drivers only Panis, Wurz, Barrichello and Trulli looked ok. Ferrari should have hired Rubens over Irvine initially IMO. Frond fucked around with this message at 16:57 on Feb 24, 2021 |
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Feb 24, 2021 16:50
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Literally Lewis Hamilton posted:The best racing game was F-1 World Grand Prix on n64 It’s Super Monaco GP. I like WGP though because like half the field would DNF.
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Feb 24, 2021 16:52
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CancerCakes posted:Wurst thread, should I get a big green egg? Yes the paradigm shift posted:they seem pointless to me They own, hth though I have a cheaper knock-off from Monolith since the BGE is pretty expensive over here
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Feb 24, 2021 17:01
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I also sometimes use cast iron pans, and no longer use the air fryer I once bought, and have a cheap-rear end rice cooker which works very well. Just to reduce chatter. e: I fill my tyres with air ee: Max sucks
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Feb 24, 2021 17:03
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Frond posted:It bears repeating - the ‘97 field was awful. I always thought Panis could’ve done so much better with a better car, he had genuine talent. And Rubens was unlucky to have had a career at the same time Schumacher did. He was WDC material before joining Ferrari and probably during his Ferrari years. But Schumacher was the GOAT and there was nothing that could’ve been done about that.
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Feb 24, 2021 17:09
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tuo posted:e: I fill my tyres with air what the gently caress
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Feb 24, 2021 17:16
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The last good year was when Rubens won a race with the Brawn GP. He drove down the pitlane in tears "I didn't believe I could do it again" and every team was standing outside of their garage cheering for him. F1 has sucked poo poo since then. Anyways, really looking forward to the new season guyz!
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Feb 24, 2021 17:30
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the corona quid posted:Yeah I’m not diminishing Newey’s capacity to gently caress up. Dude tends to build glass cars on his good days and gets the team totally lost on his worst Well what I meant to imply was that Newey has a tendency to drive people into a tizzy figuring out how to make their teams less singularly reliant on him, but yeah that's true too. It's surprising that Red Bull of all teams is the one that finally was just like "yeah give him the keys to the kingdom."
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Feb 24, 2021 17:33
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your friend wicka posted:Well what I meant to imply was that Newey has a tendency to drive people into a tizzy figuring out how to make their teams less singularly reliant on him, but yeah that's true too. It's surprising that Red Bull of all teams is the one that finally was just like "yeah give him the keys to the kingdom." Aerodynamics is such a niche concept with almost zero relevance outside of F1 (I think the split is something like a 3rd of working aerodynamics engineers are in F1) so to a certain extent I can see why Newey became a commodity. Especially when the alternative was a nut job like Dernie who lets his teeth all rot out and goes around claiming there’s no such thing as mechanical grip or Barnard who’s entire career turned on him being able to be as lazy as possible.
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Feb 24, 2021 17:49
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From his book Newey seems consider himself more of an overall car designer and packaging designer rather than an aero specialist - I don't know how true that is. It's interesting that there doesn't seem to be any new celeb engineers of the younger generation, is that because it is now so team orientated? Or have the teams managed to suppress the hot shot engineer phenomenon to keep salaries down?
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Feb 24, 2021 18:05
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CancerCakes posted:From his book Newey seems consider himself more of an overall car designer and packaging designer rather than an aero specialist - I don't know how true that is. It's interesting that there doesn't seem to be any new celeb engineers of the younger generation, is that because it is now so team orientated? Or have the teams managed to suppress the hot shot engineer phenomenon to keep salaries down? That’s laughable because his designs have always suffered from poor car design decisions in favour of aerodynamics. The teams are too large for one person to take charge like that anymore and truth be told I think giving one person so much control over the design is a poor management decision. Look at Lowe and Williams, no one person is a miracle bullet for your issues.
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Feb 24, 2021 18:11
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CancerCakes posted:From his book Newey seems consider himself more of an overall car designer and packaging designer rather than an aero specialist - I don't know how true that is. It's interesting that there doesn't seem to be any new celeb engineers of the younger generation, is that because it is now so team orientated? Or have the teams managed to suppress the hot shot engineer phenomenon to keep salaries down? He absolutely considers himself that because he was in positions where he could dictate the entire car design in such a way that optimizes aerodynamic performance, but like quid says, this frequently just meant those cars were poorly designed. The MP4-18 never raced because it couldn't pass the crash tests and kept overheating because he made the sidepods too small. I think you still need one singular design lead who ensures that everything is moving in the same direction, but that's not really the way Newey works. He runs the entire design department yet still behaves like he's just the lead aerodynamicist. Like the guy still has a drafting table in his office; if he's still spending any time at all literally drawing aerodynamic devices then that is absurd from someone at his level.
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Newey isn’t really an isolated case either. Look at Gigi at Ducati, all the innovation and gimmick devices in the world and yet the bike still can’t turn for poo poo and all the riders hate/don’t trust the team management.
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Feb 24, 2021 18:23
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Williams kicks rear end wtf thread
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Feb 24, 2021 18:39
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Ostentatious posted:Williams kicks rear end wtf thread Congrats on waking up from your 25 year coma
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Feb 24, 2021 18:56
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CancerCakes posted:From his book Newey seems consider himself more of an overall car designer and packaging designer rather than an aero specialist - I don't know how true that is. It's interesting that there doesn't seem to be any new celeb engineers of the younger generation, is that because it is now so team orientated? Or have the teams managed to suppress the hot shot engineer phenomenon to keep salaries down? These days it's more about how many clever widget ideas you can design, build, test, and then manufacture at full size, which puts the onus more on the tech that allows you to do those things faster rather than coming up with the ideas in the first place.
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Feb 24, 2021 19:29
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Rebus posted:These days it's more about how many clever widget ideas you can design, build, test, and then manufacture at full size, which puts the onus more on the tech that allows you to do those things faster rather than coming up with the ideas in the first place. Sounds like an ideal team principal might be someone with a proven track record in F1 manufacturing...
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Feb 24, 2021 19:39
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your friend wicka posted:Sounds like an ideal team principal might be someone with a proven track record in F1 manufacturing... That, but also making the cad processes faster, the "right first time" fitment better, the wind tunnel sequences more time efficient and repeatable, the data analysis more automated, etc etc.
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Feb 24, 2021 19:59
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The ‘89 and ‘90 March/Leyton House cars are examples of Newey not being tempered by somebody else. He works best with somebody who understands mechanicals.
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Feb 24, 2021 20:04
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 get in there lewis
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Feb 24, 2021 21:11
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We’re all lucky to live in the same era as Sir Lewis Hamilton the greatest F1 driver of all time
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Feb 24, 2021 21:30
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tuo posted:I also sometimes use cast iron pans, and no longer use the air fryer I once bought, and have a cheap-rear end rice cooker which works very well. Just to reduce chatter. Yep, ah hah, yep, agreed tuo posted:ee: Max sucks Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck
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Ostentatious posted:We’re all lucky to live in the same era as Sir Lewis Hamilton the greatest F1 driver of all time I feel blessed every day OP!
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Feb 24, 2021 23:13
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every argument against max sucking boils down to give him the mercedes and that's very un-michael of him
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the paradigm shift posted:every argument against max sucking boils down to give him the mercedes and that's very un-michael of him he'd lose to bottas
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FAUXTON posted:he'd lose to bottas it’s true
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