sportsgenius86 posted:

a pipe smoking dog posted:

Yeah that's fair, whenever anyone does anything interesting in modern F1 it's always followed a few laps later with "my tyres are gone!"

Was 2007-2012 just the sweet spot between the end of "tyre wars" and the start of Pirelli trying to run races on balloons?


George Russell? Yeah I agree.

Zeta Acosta posted:

The last good season was 2007

Custard Undies posted:

Remember that we ended up with Hartley for multiple seasons because they had no other good drivers in their program.

Tsaedje posted:

I like Albon as a guy, but he's broken and won't recover. I wish him well as a Sky analyst/future Le Mans winner

Perez deserves the seat and I hope he crushes Max's spirit.

the corona quid posted:

This is so stupid because you haven’t had good rice cooker rice so you don’t even know what you’re talking about.

POCKET CHOMP posted:

This is the dumbest poo poo, there's a reason every household in Asia has a rice cooker. Rice cookers own but also Ferrari owns too just FYI.

bgreman posted:

I paid the $3/month for the F1TV archives access and am working through the 1981 season now and it's interesting. Different cars are appreciably different looking and there's slightly more overtaking than now.

Circuit design seems to be actively hostile to driver, marshal, and spectator safety.

Coverage is pretty meh because the commentators are always scrambling to adjust to the video feed, which changes away from interesting things to irrelevant shots of Nelson Piquet lapping the field. No lap numbers and very infrequent timing graphics. The footage itself is surprisingly good for being 40 year old video.

bgreman posted:

Jfc the start of the 81 Belgium GP.

Edit: these cars slide around a whole lot more, wow

bgreman posted:

The older races basically all have a one hour "In Review" condensed race package. Some also have a misleadingly named "extended highlight" package, which is 20-40 mins. A few of the classic races have the full event available (81 Britain and 81 Vegas for example), which becomes more common as we approach the present. I think all seasons from 2008 on have all races fully available. The "In Review" packages get a lot shorter in later seasons (Australia 2005 is only like 15 mins).

I can't believe how often the marshals just leave retired cars at the trackside, and how there's no safety car, so marshals being passed at speed on the track happens all the time.

the corona quid posted:

If they have full races from the 80s in English that’s a huge selling point for me

Azza Bamboo posted:

I've watched 5 old Grand Prix races now and one thing I'm noticing about these 80s cars is that the drivers' legs are right at the front of their cars. I've seen one driver get their leg trapped after the front took a smash, and two drivers limping out of their cars after being stopped in the catch fencing. Watching this stuff back over with modern sensibilities is fascinating. Did they not think about this or did they deliberately and knowingly ignore the repeated incidents?

bgreman posted:

Yeah it's wild how far forward they're sitting in these cars. Also how much more upright it seems like they're sitting compared to a modern F1 car, and how much that exposes their heads above the bodywork.

Watching Silverstone '81 now and it's cool to see the planes on the apron in the background of some shots. Also Piquet sure loves to crash out for someone who wins the season.

This race is also one of the full-full races available, so you get fun pit lane commentary with Colin Chapman when one of the borderline illegal Lotuses gets DQd.

Which team has the car with the front wing on top of the nose instead of underneath? It's very

Theophany posted:

The greatest car ever made: https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-de...ius=1501&page=1


e: i mean this 100% unironically, those old 200s fuckin' owned as long as you weren't one of the idiots that bought one with a Rover (originally a British Leyland heap of clog iron) engine and instead opted for the Honda unit.

the corona quid posted:

Hunt inspite of his rampant racism against Italians (like most British people, who are all bigoted) he was the only real person who was vocal about the atrocious safety poo poo like Mclaren designing a car that Berger couldn’t fit in.

the corona quid posted:

The whole Acura brand came from the tie up with Rover iirc. The Rover 800/Acura Legend was a joint venture and I think after that they had enough of the BL designers and told them to gently caress off and start rebranding civics.

daslog posted:

Spending cap work around phase 1?

daslog posted:

Spending cap work around phase 1?

the corona quid posted:

I think the whole thing was a marriage of convenience. BL/Austin/Rover/whatever couldn’t afford to develop a new platform on their own and Honda got hosed by the VRA in the states and needed to move up market without necessarily having a firm grasp on what the luxury market was in the west compared to Japan.

The McPherson thing is strange because as far as I was aware part of Honda’s reasoning for going for double wishbone was to lower the front hood line and made McPherson struts difficult to implement. Re-engineering that probably would’ve killed any cost savings from going to McPherson strut in my mind.

the corona quid posted:

There’s a good series of essays online somewhere that documents the whole BL odyssey and yeah it’s pure comedy gold.

Hearing stories of my mom’s TR7 always put that poo poo into some sort of mythic legend for me growing up. Then you read all the poo poo that actually went on in Longbridge and it’s absolutely jaw dropping.

track day bro! posted:

this looks like poo poo

bgreman posted:

The one I was looking for was indeed the Theodore one.

Just finished the Zandvoort '81 and Prost definitely got in there on that one. Andretti with another "these cars are too short so my legs are messed up" wrecks. Also the "catch fencing" is making my eyes twitch. I can't believe this was an acceptable saftey measure (preferred and mandatory, even) in this era.




I think I read that during one accident, one of the catch fencing posts came loose and struck a driver in the head. Edit: It was Geoff Lees, who it happened to in South Africa '81 (which is not on F1 TV since it wasn't a WDC event that year). Reutemann also narrowly escaped being strangled by catch fencing at the same event.

bgreman posted:

I watched the Argentina race but didn't notice that. Talk about track evolution!

I gotta say I like the look of this Brabham so I guess I'm for Piquet.

This Vegas "street course" is wild. It's entirely contained within one casino parking lot.

bgreman posted:

1981 Recap: Prost would probably have won the WDC easily if not for all the DNFs. Ferraris broke every other race. Piquet gets the WDC largely by finishing in the points most. Reutemann was ahead all season only to lose it in the last race by a single point.

The cars are intended to go the full race length on a single load of fuel and a single set of tires. Going to the pits was usually bad news.

These cars break down a LOT, especially the turbos. Ten cars finishing a GP seemed to be the average, out of 24-ish starting. Points only for the top six finishers seems pretty harsh. More turbos next season, I reckon.

No safety cars or red flags all season!

Many of the interesting overtakes happened off camera with nary a replay.

The Jones/Reutemann drama in Brazil seemed prime to carry on throughout the season but it never really materialized.

Piquet being carried out of his car after the finale because a Vegas masseur jacked up his back pretty much sums up the season.

Lmao people keep tossing beers to Jones on his last time on the podium at Vegas.

Edit: the footage for 1982 is notably better, at least for Kaylami. Most of the 82 field has no front wings.

Azza Bamboo posted:

Not to say that Piquet didn't deserve his championship win, but the fact he drove a machine that capitalised on a rules loophole always casts a shadow on his performance. He crashed out many times in the season, but perhaps the fact he clawed his way to the top spot in spite of this says something for his skill.

the corona quid posted:

Frond do you have that F1 engine website still? There’s some good reads on that and it’s really detailed on the different design philosophy of the different engine manufacturers. There’s a lot of good coverage of the turbo era on that site.

bgreman posted:

Austria '82 features the first pre-planned pit stop of the era, both Brabhams started on a half load of fuel and stopped to change tires and get fuel halfway through. They'd been trying to do this for the last several races but kept retiring before getting the opportunity. Piquet's stop was around 31 seconds because the crew weren't ready, but Patrese finished his stop in about 13s.

Instead of tire blankets they used big hot air ovens to pre-heat.

They both retired within a few laps anyway. These cars are so fragile.

Edit: Apparently (road) motor racing is banned in Switzerland?

the corona quid posted:

Ground effects got banned at the last minute which means a lot of people were just scrambling to put anything together.

track day bro! posted:

I always wondered, is team ATS pretty much the german wheel manufacturer called ATS?