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daslog posted:You can't fire the driver who's Dad is going to buy your team in a year or two. He's been disciplined. What's the problem? Teams are not exactly eager to be in F1 at the moment, you have to accept some commercial realities. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Theophany posted:You realise that even in the worst thread this is a really lovely take, right? I seriously doubt it
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Dec 23, 2020 18:11
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If you want a good inside view on Williams in 1981 you can't go wrong with this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QS4pejg43Ug It's got a few seconds chopped off the end, but it's just Alan complaining about Ferrari. E: Don't miss '83 either. It's a cracker of a season, and tests the -downforce theory with the fact the cars lost around 80% (according to Frank Dernie in a few sources) with the flat bottom rule. And do keep going. The transition into the turbo composite chassis era is fascinating. The safety things you mention didn't really get better, the cars just happened to get much stronger as a happy accident. I never saw a safety car before 1993, but my memory isn't what It used to be. Sulman fucked around with this message at 05:03 on Dec 24, 2020 |
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Dec 24, 2020 04:59
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Zeta Acosta posted:Gilles by all accounts was a nice dude but he was loving insane. What went on with Pironi is difficult to understand, and it afflicted them both equally, with awful results.
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Dec 24, 2020 05:20
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the corona quid posted:Rebus can you confirm whether Dernie still adamantly maintains mechanical grip does not in fact exist and all grip comes purely from downforce? I know the interview to which you're referring. I'll just say this: I would not want to debate kinematics with Dernie. Maybe the phrasing sounds odd but the point he's making is sound. If it wasn't then touring cars, motorbikes, and karts would have seen performance increases well in excess of what the tires developed over the last few decades. The only lateral load increases have come from aero. It's the same reason they're mucking about with aero in MotoGP.
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Dec 24, 2020 05:43
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Zeta Acosta posted:on track i mean, 82 was a nightmare year for ferrari I remember this video interview Pironi did with Walker in 1983, one year after his life-changing accident at the same venue. It's sobering watching someone realise simultaneously that their life has changed and they may never get back what they once had. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SxL2y0QTt0k
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the corona quid posted:Saying that the only lateral load increases can come from aero is the second most idiotic thing I’ve read today and the first thing was by you as well lmao. Do you have a competing hypothesis or are you just going to continue sucking your own dick? Don't worry about answering, I won't see it. Sulman fucked around with this message at 07:06 on Dec 24, 2020 |
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Dec 24, 2020 06:57
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track day bro! posted:*in poois shamilton fan voice* The archive quality is all over the place, and as I'm sure you know they only have a limited number of full races when you start going back a few years, the rest of them are extended highlights which will do in a pinch but you lose so much of the race structure. When I went through the 80s the thing I enjoyed was the enormously varied signage from track to track, and the fact that Imola didn't change at all for over a decade.
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Dec 24, 2020 18:05
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ilmucche posted:I really enjoy the slower battle and non-screaming commentary here When you say slower do you mean the lack of overtaking aids like DRS? I thought it was interesting how quickly one forgets how overtaking used to be. I liked being able to see how at places like Hungary you could see the benefit of a big power difference out of the final corner, having been nose to tail around the infield. Commentary wise I think it's an American thing that has crept into a lot of sports. British commentary was usually fairly subdued. Murray was unusual by those standards, if well-loved for it.
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Dec 24, 2020 18:11
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your friend wicka posted:Simon Roberts is cool and good and will lead the team back to glory and soon enough Rebus will be up there on the podium Despite some initial scepticism at the VC owner intentions I've got to admit he seems to be the right sort, he even sounds like he's from the Willliams tree.
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Dec 24, 2020 18:24
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While on the 80s, this gets posted periodically. It's two-part documentary on the turbo era, specifically the development of the Cosworth V6. Features a lot of familiar faces, including Alan Jones and a very young Ross Brawn. The microprocessor EMU for the V6 is about the size of a laptop. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LkxGx5WJzA Ferrari were still awful too, should you need any motivation to watch it.
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Dec 24, 2020 18:45
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Vando posted:The thing about the 80s battles is how close the cars follow each other, it looks really jarring coming from watching modern races The possibilities in tyre strategy too, and that tyres were not the main subject of commentary, unless it was Lauda suddenly charging through the field.
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Dec 24, 2020 19:17
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a pipe smoking dog posted:I think it's British commentators feeling they have to live up to Murray, instead of having their own personality and commentary style. This means they're all pair imitations of a mad man. Haha, are you by chance referring to one David Croft? He's bloody awful.
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Dec 24, 2020 19:38
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Take the plunge! Okay! posted:Murray was adorable even in his “old man constantly mistaken” late phase. Crofty is unpleasant and dull, I sincerely hate his commentary I didn't used to mind him, he started around the time I moved away from the UK and was stuck with American commentary (a whole other story...) but as ESPN and F1TV use the Sky feed I've heard a lot more of it. His enthusiasm and crescendos always sound forced, as if he's not really into it. He also comes across as a bit of a know-it-all, and has these weird occasional rants like 'banning blue flags' as if he has never watched a single race before. Sadly he's firmly entrenched and I doubt that will change.
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Dec 24, 2020 20:02
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bgreman posted:It should be illegal how similar the McClaren and Alfa Romeos are in grainy 1982 SD footage. Drove me nuts in the '83 season at the start, but you get your eye in pretty quickly with the black rear wing. Detroit was a real physical challenge, it was a shame they didn't go back after '89. The plan was to use Belle Isle but I guess the deal was never finalized. F1 cars there would have been interesting. In terms of the dogshit reliability, I think John Barnard said this was a big motivator for electronically governed electro-mechanical shifting. Many failures were somewhere in the drive train as drivers inevitably abused the transmission and engine, particularly at places like Detroit. That and the boost race.
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Dec 24, 2020 21:54
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bgreman posted:Anyone else following along at home, the beginning of Canada 82 features a very bad fatal wreck at the start. Viewer discretion is advised. Cheever was a bit of an enigma. He was really great on his day, but sort of fizzled out. Stick around for 83 as he has a good run against a very hard teammate. Did you ever hear him speak? He sounds like your typical European driver.
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Dec 24, 2020 23:10
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Azza Bamboo posted:Just finished San Marino, and what an amazing climax to this tragic tale! These two drivers locked in a bitter duel over their pride and honour, as though every Italian trope had sang from the circuit and their cars to foretell that this swordfight would be to the death. Like the works of Shakespeare or the operas sang in old, there's something horribly horribly human about the spectacle, the drama, and the end of it all. I was a fool to think that this would be a boring race after Arnoux was out of the standings. Funny how older (vintage now, really) races can still get the, er, juices flowing. The remainder of the season has a couple of dreadful race weekends but overall it's quite the year.
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Dec 25, 2020 05:32
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Yep 84 is fantastic, and shows Prost as nowhere near his 'professor' reputation at a couple of weekends, but he obviously learnt from it.
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Dec 25, 2020 06:23
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Merry Christmas everyone. Hope you got what you wanted.
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Dec 25, 2020 14:48
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Frond posted:I like the regional sponsors on the little Italian teams; I like the Italian tracks for this too, Imola and Monza had lots of colourful sponsors. Imola's didn't change much 81-93 as far as I can tell. I liked the POP84 and SINT 2000 stuff everywhere. I understand Bernie hated it. Silverstone/Brands too.
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Dec 30, 2020 01:17
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If you think Crofty is unbearable now....
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Dec 31, 2020 20:53
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Be interested to see how Grosjean goes in Indycar. I'm also intrigued at the fact William Storey has somehow managed to get into the news again. How does he do it?
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Feb 3, 2021 18:46
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Frond posted:I am watching 1983 again - the reliability of Patreses Brabham is shockingly bad. 1.5 car team IMO. Probably the last year of real turbo teething before the race for HP.
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Feb 4, 2021 19:28
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Custard Undies posted:Crofty: Massa/nassa? gently caress it, im going to call one fred. "Fettle" How I loathe Crofty.
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Feb 8, 2021 01:25
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William Storey is such a classic F1 grifter. He obviously doesn't have the money, but the mere impression of money gets him into the club. Remember the Arrows Nigerian Prince, Qadbak, the Lotus 'coming soon' money? It's all the same bullshit.
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Feb 8, 2021 16:36
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Reminds me a little of a forlorn Carlos Sainz standing around in some Waitrose aisle looking for fajitas in one of Drive to Survive's bits that wasn't narrated by Will Buxton doing his faux-commentary poo poo.
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Feb 9, 2021 20:55
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Frond posted:Lmao. American sports writing is just the worst.
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Feb 9, 2021 21:03
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Did anyone confirm are Lewis's whereabouts during the incident in Switzerland?
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Feb 12, 2021 23:33
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F1TV has a number of issues, but one thing I think it's great for is all the support events. I didn't get into F2 or F3 much before I had it but I follow them much more closely now.
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Feb 13, 2021 16:29
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track day bro! posted:Fernando is in bed yelling at the doctors and nurses that he's in a 'GP2 HOSPITAL' "GP2 Legs!" as my friend quipped.
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Feb 13, 2021 23:27
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Take the plunge! Okay! posted:This thread inspired me to take my bike for a spin today. It’s still cold, but sunny and dry, so it was pretty good. I used to row when I was younger and I agree, rowing is the best sport. Get a smart trainer and get yourself on Zwift. It's a loving hoot. Really good for those weather-limited days.
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Feb 14, 2021 17:20
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Pablo Bluth posted:If it's anything like the last engine freeze, they're be allowed reliability improvements until mysteriously all the engines have fairly equal performance... I don't remember who said it, but that was famously true of the Renault V8 RBR were using. The engine from the end of the freeze had little commonality with the one at the beginning. A lot changed at the top end.
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Feb 15, 2021 15:15
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Adrian Newey wrote that it's more than just power and economy. Renault were unwilling to discuss design changes to accommodate Red Bull, which he deemed unreasonable. The Renault of last year had a very bulky cooling solution, so who knows. Renault certainly know how to build an engine.
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Feb 17, 2021 03:02
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Rev. Dr. Moses P. Lester posted:They did finish p6/p8 or something on their very first race, to be fair, but it's been downhill since that Their initial strategy (later imitated by Racing Point) was so successful they got a lot of poo poo about the originality of their car. Since then they've floundered, perhaps because of a lack of engineering depth or maybe just plain bad design. I don't know, I don't think anyone does outside the team's technical staff. Their model for running the team was an interesting idea but it looks like Gene Haas has - like so many others - got sucked into the spending black hole F1 inevitably becomes. More staff, more infrastructure and you might as well stick to the traditional model.
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Zeta Acosta posted:odds that meatspin dad is going to rich energy hass and this time they actually fold? Uralkali have plenty of cash, and their business actually exists.
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Mar 5, 2021 04:57
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Take the plunge! Okay! posted:The current generation of F1 cars sure is ugly. Alpha Tauri did something with the logo to make the central hump look smaller, so their car looks a bit better, but the overall impression is ugh. I hope 2022 looks as good as the concepts. They're very big. Look at the 2006-8 cars, they look tiny in comparison, because they were. The Alpine airbox is some crazy poo poo. Is it just me or does there look like particularly big cooling exits on both the Alpine and Mclaren cars this year? I understood that was bad. Today the Red Bull was the only car that looked convincing. The Ferrari looked all over the place, but it's all very early, and the track surface was apparently mostly sand.
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Mar 12, 2021 21:34
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Honda F1 are totally leaving at the end of the year...quote:oyoharu Tanabe I just can't see it. over 4000km in Sakhir during the test. They're looking like a manufacturer on an all-out assault. What sense engineering and marketing-wise does it make to throw in the towel in their moment of triumph? Is this a gambit from a faction in Honda to stay in?
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Mar 15, 2021 18:13
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ethanol posted:Imagine reading into pre season testing You can tell quite a bit from testing. I would be astonished if Mercedes or Ferrari are suddenly transformed between now and the first race. The former didn't get through their programme, the latter were much harder to evaluate but the car wasn't effortlessly slamming in times either, no that's not their objective but it didn't stop Mercedes in previous years.
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Mar 15, 2021 18:59
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FAUXTON posted:Wasn't RBR buying that development unit out of Honda? Absolutely, I'm curious about the extent of the deal (whether they're going to be ostensibly a works effort). Speaking of testing, Sam Collins' tech breakdowns have been really good. This mentions the theory that Mercedes are fundamentally disadvantaged by the floor regulation change. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-H-aZcGYVQ
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Phone posted:remember in 2019 and 2020 when mercedes were several seconds off of the pace of everyone else during testing (especially 2019 with the lolerrari fuel aliasing) and then whoa lewis hamilton finished 5 minutes ahead of everyone else I didn't remember that. I do remember Ferrari's pre-season pace in 2019, but it was still close, like 3/1000s close:  2020, I've no idea what you're referring to.  There are people fond of the cliche that you can't deduce anything from testing (bacon briefcase etc.) That might have been true a few years before so many eyes were on the tests, but it's not true now. We know with fairly high confidence that Red Bull are reliable and fast, and Mercedes...are not quite there. Ferrari I honestly can't say, all that's known is that their engine is improved over last year's. Aside from some good times on the 2nd day, they were very subdued. However Mercedes aren't where they were a year ago, or the year before that.
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