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I paid the $3/month for the F1TV archives access and am working through the 1981 season now and it's interesting. Different cars are appreciably different looking and there's slightly more overtaking than now. Circuit design seems to be actively hostile to driver, marshal, and spectator safety. Coverage is pretty meh because the commentators are always scrambling to adjust to the video feed, which changes away from interesting things to irrelevant shots of Nelson Piquet lapping the field. No lap numbers and very infrequent timing graphics. The footage itself is surprisingly good for being 40 year old video.
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Jfc the start of the 81 Belgium GP.  Edit: these cars slide around a whole lot more, wow bgreman fucked around with this message at 10:59 on Dec 21, 2020 |
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Azza Bamboo posted:I had no idea this existed but drat I'm in. The older races basically all have a one hour "In Review" condensed race package. Some also have a misleadingly named "extended highlight" package, which is 20-40 mins. A few of the classic races have the full event available (81 Britain and 81 Vegas for example), which becomes more common as we approach the present. I think all seasons from 2008 on have all races fully available. The "In Review" packages get a lot shorter in later seasons (Australia 2005 is only like 15 mins). I can't believe how often the marshals just leave retired cars at the trackside, and how there's no safety car, so marshals being passed at speed on the track happens all the time.
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Yeah that's the Belgium start I referenced. Technically the marshalls did stop the race (despite not having authority to do so) but not until the pack had already passed the mechanic lying in the start straight once. The marshalls basically just flooded the track, waving at the drivers as they came around at the end of the first lap. The drivers waved back but as you said, they stopped at the end of the second lap. The race "clerk" did nothing to stop the race. The mechanic/driver walkout (which was in response to a mechanic getting run over the day before) happened immediately before the start while cars were on the grid, and minorly contributed to it by delaying and confusing the formation lap. Piquet and some others missed their start boxes and so had to go around again, prompting some drivers on the grid to turn off their engines to prevent overheating. Patrese was one of them and his car refused to start back up, so his mechanic jumped over the wall with the starter to get him going. The race controller started the race anyway and Patrese's own teammate rear-ended him, with the mechanic getting caught in between. He survived, but the mechanic who was run over the day before died the day after the race. I'd read about the incident before I watched and I expected the footage to be censored but NOPE, so viewer discretion is advised. bgreman fucked around with this message at 13:20 on Dec 21, 2020 |
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Dec 21, 2020 13:14
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Azza Bamboo posted:I've watched 5 old Grand Prix races now and one thing I'm noticing about these 80s cars is that the drivers' legs are right at the front of their cars Yeah it's wild how far forward they're sitting in these cars. Also how much more upright it seems like they're sitting compared to a modern F1 car, and how much that exposes their heads above the bodywork. Watching Silverstone '81 now and it's cool to see the planes on the apron in the background of some shots. Also Piquet sure loves to crash out for someone who wins the season. This race is also one of the full-full races available, so you get fun pit lane commentary with Colin Chapman when one of the borderline illegal Lotuses gets DQd. Which team has the car with the front wing on top of the nose instead of underneath? It's very 
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Frond posted:Piquet was cool. Azza Bamboo posted:I think that's Checo Serra's Fittipaldi Ford machine, although it's one of a set of nosecone options and you see it change sometimes. Keke Rosberg seems to choose the flatter under-the-nose option more often. The one I was looking for was indeed the Theodore one. Just finished the Zandvoort '81 and Prost definitely got in there on that one. Andretti with another "these cars are too short so my legs are messed up" wrecks. Also the "catch fencing" is making my eyes twitch. I can't believe this was an acceptable saftey measure (preferred and mandatory, even) in this era.   I think I read that during one accident, one of the catch fencing posts came loose and struck a driver in the head. Edit: It was Geoff Lees, who it happened to in South Africa '81 (which is not on F1 TV since it wasn't a WDC event that year). Reutemann also narrowly escaped being strangled by catch fencing at the same event.
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Frond posted:Yeah it's nuts. Did you watch the Argentina race where huge ruts were being carved in the newly laid pavement? I watched the Argentina race but didn't notice that. Talk about track evolution! I gotta say I like the look of this Brabham so I guess I'm for Piquet. This Vegas "street course" is wild. It's entirely contained within one casino parking lot. bgreman fucked around with this message at 05:48 on Dec 23, 2020 |
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Custard Undies posted:Which year was it that they played happy birthday because they didn't have the Australian anthem for Alan Jones. Apparently Austria 77. F1.com posted:“Well, certainly the organisers obviously didn’t expect it to happen because they didn’t have the Australian national anthem,” remembers Jones. “So [instead] a drunk played ‘Happy Birthday’ on a trumpet - of which there were plenty in Austria...”
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1981 Recap: Prost would probably have won the WDC easily if not for all the DNFs. Ferraris broke every other race. Piquet gets the WDC largely by finishing in the points most. Reutemann was ahead all season only to lose it in the last race by a single point. The cars are intended to go the full race length on a single load of fuel and a single set of tires. Going to the pits was usually bad news. These cars break down a LOT, especially the turbos. Ten cars finishing a GP seemed to be the average, out of 24-ish starting. Points only for the top six finishers seems pretty harsh. More turbos next season, I reckon. No safety cars or red flags all season!  Many of the interesting overtakes happened off camera with nary a replay. The Jones/Reutemann drama in Brazil seemed prime to carry on throughout the season but it never really materialized. Piquet being carried out of his car after the finale because a Vegas masseur jacked up his back pretty much sums up the season. Lmao people keep tossing beers to Jones on his last time on the podium at Vegas. Edit: the footage for 1982 is notably better, at least for Kaylami. Most of the 82 field has no front wings. bgreman fucked around with this message at 09:32 on Dec 23, 2020 |
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Azza Bamboo posted:Edit: Made myself a guide to the 82 season This is awesome. Just watched Monaco '82 and the last 10 laps are WILD. The rain starts on lap 65 and Rosberg bins it, Daly spins and loses half his front wing, his entire rear wing, and part of his gearbox casing and keeps driving for another eight laps. Prost bins it with two laps left after leading most of the race, letting Patrese through. Patrese spins at the hairpin on the penultimate lap, and Pironi and de Cesaris get through, but they both run out of fuel on the last lap, allowing Patrese, who managed to not stall, to come back through to first. Pironi actually parked up on the racing line in the tunnel. Mansell is a lap down and crucially is unable to unlap himself before Patrese wins, meaning that Pironi and de Cesaris get on the podium despite not finishing. On his victory lap, Patrese stops and picks up Pironi in the tunnel, giving him a ride further down the track. Patrese doesn't even know he's won until some seconds after he parks up and someone lets him know. Daly made it one more lap than Prost, so he gets the last points position despite also not finishing.
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Azza Bamboo posted:I've just tried using the chart I made in a race and I realised it's better if I sort by "Vague Colour" then number. It should be illegal how similar the McClaren and Alfa Romeos are in grainy 1982 SD footage. I love the shape of the Brabham and, to a lesser extent, the March. This was the era when airboxes behind the roll hoop were banned? Makes for some really cool-looking cars, imo. And while there's a lot of good racing, there are also a ton of just poo poo performances. Cars being lapped like six times is a common thing, and we barely even see half the field (esp. in the condensed races) because the coverage never shows the backmarkers except when they're being lapped. I feel like I have yet to see a Fittipaldi, Theodore, or Ensign. Edit: Piquet doesn't qualify for Detroit 82, wtf. This is some track. bgreman fucked around with this message at 21:02 on Dec 24, 2020 |
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Anyone else following along at home, the beginning of Canada 82 features a very bad fatal wreck at the start. Viewer discretion is advised.  In case it's not clear, I'm an American with little sense of historical F1. I was into it when I could catch races on TV in the mid-90s as a kid (I had the F1 video game on N64) but really only started watching this season. It's neat seeing all these drivers from the early 80s seasons who I only know when they'd show up after their F1 careers in IndyCar or CART or whatever. Salazar, Boesel, Fittipaldi, Cheever, I first learned of them watching the Indy 500. bgreman fucked around with this message at 22:29 on Dec 24, 2020 |
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the paradigm shift posted:oh yeah that was the barbecue on the starting straight one wasn't it They got the fire under control pretty quickly but Paletti was beyond rescue immediately after the initial collision. Sulman posted:Cheever was a bit of an enigma. He was really great on his day, but sort of fizzled out. Stick around for 83 as he has a good run against a very hard teammate. Did you ever hear him speak? He sounds like your typical European driver. Yeah I intend to watch everything available. I can keep one of these on while WFH and really power through them. I originally thought I'd be pretty bored but the racing is generally interesting and the commentary blows Crofty out of the water.
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Austria '82 features the first pre-planned pit stop of the era, both Brabhams started on a half load of fuel and stopped to change tires and get fuel halfway through. They'd been trying to do this for the last several races but kept retiring before getting the opportunity. Piquet's stop was around 31 seconds because the crew weren't ready, but Patrese finished his stop in about 13s. Instead of tire blankets they used big hot air ovens to pre-heat. They both retired within a few laps anyway. These cars are so fragile. Edit: Apparently (road) motor racing is banned in Switzerland? bgreman fucked around with this message at 23:56 on Dec 26, 2020 |
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I just started the '83 season and the rule changes have dramatically changed the shape of the cars. They all look like they went on diets. The new Brabham has a weird optical illusion from the front that makes it looks like a high-prowed boat. Wings are quite big again. Also I looked ahead and it looks like '83 is the last season where the "In Review" videos are the "long format" 1 hour condensed races. Instead they turn into 12 minute or so videos. Every race has one, but some also have 40-minute extended highlight packages. '84-'85 don't have any full races. They actually used a wipe to distinguish between a cut to replay and a normal cut! TBH watching the progress in on-screen info has been part of the fun of this, and if that's lost in these shorter form highlight videos I'll miss it. Another thing about the racing that I think is a little different is that the drivers really don't seem to like to drive side-by-side through a corner. Usually an overtake has been completed by the time they have to turn-in, or the overtaking driver has bailed out of it or been blocked. bgreman fucked around with this message at 05:27 on Dec 28, 2020 |
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Crunchy Black posted:so are y'all just :files: ing the older seasons or are they available streaming somewhere for free Not free, it costs $4/month for the F1TV sub I'm using. I believe it has been implied that seasons are available via less savory methods though. Rosberg takes a planned pit stop, his car catches fire, he hops out, takes a close look, and hops back in, gets push-started, and drives back into the points. US West 83: An inset, picture-in-picture overlay! I think the McClarens are my favorite of the '83 designs. John Watson loves to put on these charges to the front from unlikely positions. The '83 Ferrari is so stumpy. Apologies to the one or more posters in this thread who identify as an '83 Ferrari. France 83: Four teams are now doing planned pit-stops: Brabham, Renault, Ferrari, and Williams. A good pit stop is 15 seconds. The liveries overall look better this season compared to prior ones. Except Arrows. bgreman fucked around with this message at 07:48 on Dec 28, 2020 |
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The rear wings on some of these cars are huge, and the Spirit and the Toleman have weird double rear wing setups, one in front of the other. It's hideous. The 83 Theodore, meanwhile, looks to presage the cars from the late 80s and early 90s. Canada '83 had the best coverage package so far, with real fonts, shot transitions, and even replays for things that hadn't been caught live. Then Britain features this...thing 
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In other safety from the 83 season, Tambay wins for Ferrari at Imola, can't finish his victory lap, parks up, and gets absolutely mobbed by the tifosi. The number of fans on the track when these races finish up is utterly insane.
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Patrese just changed the game at Germany 83 with a 9.75s pit stop. First sub-10s planned stop. Brabham pit crew is the Red Bull of its time. They told an anecdote about how Raul Boesel crashed during practice and one of the catch fence posts nicked an artery in his neck. He still raced on Sunday.
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When did they stop doing the laurel wreaths on the podium? The Dutch GP 83 was awesome. It was dominated by the turbos until all of them but the Ferraris broke down or crashed out, except for John Watson, who drove the non-turbo McLaren from fifteenth to third. That dude is emerging as a fave, when he can actually drive he consistently makes up for poor qualifying with these intense marches to the front. Both Renaults failed to finish and the Ferraris took full advantage. During his only line during the intro to the Italian GP, Hunt explains a gravel trap and wonders why they aren't more widely adopted. Apparently Prost antagonized the tifosi to the point he was receiving death threats, had bodyguards, and was given special instructions in the event he had to retire at a marshal's post. bgreman fucked around with this message at 07:23 on Dec 30, 2020 |
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Prost out at Kylami  Piquet really took over the last quarter of the season. There were times it seemed he just willed his problematic engine across the finish. Even if you believe he didn't "earn" that first championship, he certainly earned this one. Turbos dominated for most of the season, even if any given turbo team had a motor blow up, there were enough still running that they generally won. This really seems like the death rattle of the non-turbo engines. This commentator has let us know at least twice a race for every race in the season that turbo exhausts spit fire when off the power.
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Azza Bamboo posted:I think there's something to be said for the convenience and safety of this well trodden site. It offers the thrill of the old seasons and circuits without the uncertainty of what might lurk inside of the wild of the wider web. While the video quality is far from pristine, I think I'd favour this over the rockier route of finding these videos myself. For what it's worth I felt the same way. I think they're still in the process of digitizing their archives. This site purports to be tracking the archive contents, and they just added two full 2008 races in the last couple weeks. I'm hopeful eventually everything will have several different levels of review package, but for now I'm just plowing through watching whatever the longest bit of footage is. You definitely do get way less of a feel for the whole season when each race only gets ten minutes.
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Watching the 1986 season and the car suspensions look much more delicate, more like the modern cars than earlier in the decade. Is that because with the banning of ground effect, they don't have to be as robust?
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The start of the 86 British Grand Prix is very nasty, and the F1 archive has the full race coverage, including minutes of footage of them extracting Laffite and flying him out. Many replays of the crash, too. Sobering to see his career end because someone spun on the other side of the track. For some reason the commentary cuts out before the restart and hasn't come back yet, twenty laps in. The archive is weird. Edit: Commentary comes back in lap 28. bgreman fucked around with this message at 06:41 on Jan 9, 2021 |
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86 Australia gives us our first live in car camera view and these things look like beasts to drive.
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Tire warmers making their first mentioned on-screen appearance at Britain 87. The four way battle in 86 and 87 between Mansell, Prost, Piquet, and Senna adds a lot of spice, especially when Mansell and Senna are wrecking each other every few races. Why does this announcer call everyone little. He's called Prost "the diminutive Frenchman" for like five seasons. He said similar things about Arnoux, and now just referenced "little Teo Fabi." I wonder if Senna insisted that Nakajima get the on board camera (he's had it most of the races) as a subtle sabotage just like he blocked getting a decent teammate the season before. bgreman fucked around with this message at 09:17 on Jan 13, 2021 |
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Mansell throws Piquet under the bus every opportunity he gets in 87, holy hell.
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Rebus posted:I also make killer PowerPoints. Are you kidding me with OneNote? I won't even consider looking at a PowerPoint that wasn't prepared in a cast iron teflon zojirushi air fryer with fuzzy logic.
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Watching Monaco '88 and loving Walker's running count of the number of chassis Andrea de Cesaris has destroyed. Truly the Grosjean of his time.Wikipedia posted:"Due to the frequent crashes, he earned the nickname "Andrea de Crasheris". Which one of the thread elders wrote this one? bgreman fucked around with this message at 07:04 on Jan 29, 2021 |
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How do I reconcile my preference for bicycles over cars as a general principle with my preference for F1 over whatever the motorcycle one is called?
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For those doing the historical crawl through the F1.tv archive, they just massively updated the site with a different layout and organization, as well as adding hour-long season restrospectives for the 1970-1980 seasons.
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the paradigm shift posted:this is awesome I've found that on my Roku, captions work though I can't vouch for their accuracy. On the desktop and mobile apps though, no such luck. PhoenixFlaccus posted:About time. It was pretty annoying that there weren't dedicated pages for each season. It's still not perfect but moving in the right direction. I'm on the last race of 1991, about to learn about Prost's meltdown. Excited to know that 1992 will offer more top-level team shenanigans. DevCore posted:I'm still waiting for the Chromecast functionality, they're so behind on that. Yes, I like watching on my living room TV but the only way to do it is to Cast from my main PC browser or to Cast my entire phone's screen, which means I can't also use my phone while watching. They say they're adding native Chromecast support to the apps sometime this year, but I'm not keeping my hopes up based on how crappy the apps are in general. Cessna posted:Okay, dumb question. Is there an F1 TV app I can download to my smart TV? As it is I stream it through my phone app and then cast it to the TV. If it's a Roku TV there is a channel store app for it, if it's an Android TV you can sideload the F1TV app (no idea how though). For anything else you're out of luck I think.
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Frond posted:1992 is really bad in terms of actual racing, IMO of course. The Williams car is just stomping all over the McLaren, which seems lucky to even finish. The wild reversal in their fortunes compared to a season prior is something else.
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Just watched Hungary 1992 where Mansell clinches the WDC and realized that all season they've been playing "The Final Countdown" on the podium.
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Rebus posted:If there are any computer touchers of the coding variety looking for a job, a position on my team is now live on the Williams careers page. Is it disqualifying to be an American?
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