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Arc Hammer posted:I forget how many concurrent dark siders were active around the time of LOTF/FOTJ. There was the Lost Tribe, Asharad Hett's Sith, Lumiya and Jacen, Abeloth and the homicidal brain damaged twilek. Am I missing anyone?
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Disney+ is doing another animated Lego special this summer. The last two I wound up really enjoying, and this one looked all right... and now it's revealed it's marketing for the Disney Star Wars Hotel ("Finn, Poe, and Rey book a stay on the Halcyon!") and I immediately lost all interest.
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Chairman Capone posted:Disney+ is doing another animated Lego special this summer. The last two I wound up really enjoying, and this one looked all right... and now it's revealed it's marketing for the Disney Star Wars Hotel ("Finn, Poe, and Rey book a stay on the Halcyon!") and I immediately lost all interest. Maybe they'll lego gently caress
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I just realized after I posted that that Valin Halcyon got mentioned in a few episodes of Obi-Wan. I wonder if Corran will eventually get tied into the Halcyon hotel, somehow. It is funny that these three Lego specials are so far (I think) the only official post-Episode IX stories, even if they're non canonical. I still think the Lego Halloween version of Kylo Ren's fall is far superior to the canonical comic version.
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For your consideration, the Crest of Alderaan: https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Crest_of_Alderaan
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Xenomrph posted:For your consideration, the Crest of Alderaan: https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Crest_of_Alderaan Uhhhh....we all see that, right? Or did I just get too high this afternoon?
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Xenomrph posted:For your consideration, the Crest of Alderaan: https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Crest_of_Alderaan Classic George.
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Y'all have dirty minds But you're still right
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I don't see the issue here, y'all need to snatch the dirty thoughts right out of your heads
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Chairman Capone posted:Disney+ is doing another animated Lego special this summer. The last two I wound up really enjoying, and this one looked all right... and now it's revealed it's marketing for the Disney Star Wars Hotel ("Finn, Poe, and Rey book a stay on the Halcyon!") and I immediately lost all interest.  ".
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Arquinsiel posted:It's really weird to see it and have that jolt of "it's a place I've been, but in Lego Yeah, from a movie POV, I'm playing through the latest LEGO game right now, and it's crazy how well they've recreated some areas. Like, I was just walking around Echo Base for a while, kind of blown away by how amazingly close it looked to the real thing in ESB...but in LEGO.
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Vinylshadow posted:Y'all have dirty minds
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I decided to reread Shatterpoint and got remained even the best of the EU authors have no sense of scale as Matthew Shover writes the CIS is tying down all 1.2 million clone troopers of the GAR across the galaxy.
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1.2 million is the figure given for the contract by Lama Su in Attack of the Clones, so there's only so much you can blame him for that.
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The solution is to pretend that by "units" they meant "military units" so that 1.2M units means billions of clones.
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 They actually mean "Stock Keeping Units" so it's however many clones they can fit into a shipping container.
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OhFunny posted:I decided to reread Shatterpoint and got remained even the best of the EU authors have no sense of scale as Matthew Shover writes the CIS is tying down all 1.2 million clone troopers of the GAR across the galaxy. This was a minor early storm on TheForce.Net when Shatterpoint came out, but Stover basically said "It's explicitly what I was told by Lucasfilm so my hands were tied, take it up with them." And basically no one cared after that. Compared to Traviss who, when the same thing happened a couple years later, doubled down on how the noble Mandalorian warrior genes meant only 1 million clones were needed. And the rest is history.
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No she didn't. She specifically pointed out that a million man army was insanely small and developed that into a plot where it was revealed that the original kamino clones were being spread out intentionally to isolate Jedi commanders right before a secret gigantic reserve force of Spaarti clones was deployed to secure future Imperial territory. Luceno also used the one million clone figure in labyrinth of evil.
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I think she also had the idea in her novels that there wasn't as many Droids in the separatist droid army too. - The war was a false flag on both sides and only her pet Mary Sue clone group saw the whole picture, because Jedi are Nazis or something. I don't remember.
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IIRC that was something about how the official production numbers for droids was way smaller than the number reported as destroyed, so there was some possibility that the Seperatists were recycling droids or had hidden facilities and never really panned out in the series.
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ScottyJSno posted:The war was a false flag on both sides This is a point I wish was brought up in more Clone Wars media -- Individual heroics are cool and all, but in the end none of it matters because both sides are controlled by the same person and even if the outcome isn't predetermined, Palpatine doesn't really give a poo poo who wins because either way he's on top and the Jedi are all dead. Too bad Traviss leveraged this point in the stupidest way possible.
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Arquinsiel posted:1.2 million is the figure given for the contract by Lama Su in Attack of the Clones, so there's only so much you can blame him for that. It's been a long time since I've watched Episode II, so I didn't remember that.
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To be fair, I only remembered it because I've been savouring the new Lego game for the past few weeks.
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The line is "200,000 units are ready, with a million more well on the way." Which was interpreted to mean the entire army at first was only 1.2 million clones, and Traviss later added a second batch of 1.8 million for a total of 3 million. Which even given how much sci-fi writers lack a sense of scale is pretty wild; that's about the size of the British Army in WW2, for comparison.
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I always figured that "units" actually meant battalions or divisions or something, because 1.2 million soldiers is smaller than the standing army of Cuba. How does that even pass the sniff test
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An earlier draft of the script had an additional line about how Kaminoans make their clones:Jar Jar's Big Adventure posted:OBI-WAN This kind of implies the 1.2 million units refers to individual clones rather than groups - if genetic samples degrade at around 300,000 clones, then they might leave themselves a buffer and grow 200,000 from each sample (with the 200,000 battle-ready clones being from the first donation). With a batch of 200,000 clones being birthed every 9 months, then the total number of clones at that point would be 2.6 million. Temuera Morrison clones and Bodie Taylor clones are also seen serving together in Episode 3, so it seems like the growth acceleration speeds up at some point. Maybe it doubles during puberty, which would allow for clones that look like 43 year old Temuera Morrison to appear in Episode 3. This would mean that 5 year old clones are physically 10, but 6 year old clones might be closer to 14 (incidentally, Daniel Logan was actually 13 when he played the "about" 5 year old clones). So if we have 2.6 million clones, and 50% of them are physically teenagers or older, then that lines up pretty well with 1.2 million clones being battle ready or "well on the way". Of course, this doesn't really make with how clone aging is portrayed in stuff like Rebels, relies on dialogue deleted from the movie, and is a really small number of soldiers for a galaxy-wide war, but if the 1.2 million number does refer to individual clones, this could be how it works. The 1.2 million clones number could also specifically refer to how many they have at the Tipoca City facility specifically, with more clones being produced elsewhere on the planet.
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Even in regular canon the Clone Army only ever numbered in the millions. Heroes on Bith Sides and Pursuit of Peace deal with the senate voting on a deregulation bill for the banking system so they could purchase more clones. Padme discovers the banking clan is also funding the production of three million more battle droids for the Seps, and this is a big enough number to push the senate into a near panic vote on the bill so they can get enough clones to match the sudden increase in enemy numbers.
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ninjahedgehog posted:I always figured that "units" actually meant battalions or divisions or something, because 1.2 million soldiers is smaller than the standing army of Cuba. How does that even pass the sniff test Fantasy writers are really bad at math. For another good example, see GURM and all his "realistic numbers" that don't actually add up.
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If it's 3 million actual front line troops plus some ludicrously huge number of paper pushers/logistics/staff/navy dudes then it's less ridiculous. Not unridiculous but marginally less.
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you have to remember that the average star wars planet is like, 5 mid-sized cities clustered together within easy speeder distance of each other, especially on the outer rim where the bulk of the fighting is happening. giant city planets with populations in the trillions are very much exceptions. you could probably sell a "galactic war" with extremely half-assed armies on both sides as long as the navies are big enough and do enough orbital bombardment war criming
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Jazerus posted:you have to remember that the average star wars planet is like, 5 mid-sized cities clustered together within easy speeder distance of each other, especially on the outer rim where the bulk of the fighting is happening. giant city planets with populations in the trillions are very much exceptions. you could probably sell a "galactic war" with extremely half-assed armies on both sides as long as the navies are big enough and do enough orbital bombardment war criming That may be true in new canon but wasn't it in the old canon that during the Yuuzhon Vong war something like 600 billion sentients were dying every hour from the scale of the invasion? Seems like a lot of people per planet. This is why it's good to avoid numbers in general in fantasy except for very specific situations (In this battle, 10 regiments were deployed). I always lol when a fantasy series throws around 1-2 million as a big number when in WWII we had armies in the 10s of millions from countries with only a couple hundred million. Just go huge numbers guys. This is one thing (Maybe the only thing) W40K and Warhammer Fantasy do well, they just go big and don't care.
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It's funny because ancient to near medieval armies are much smaller than people tend to imagine, and then you get to the past couple centuries and armies are much bigger than people imagine.
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Crazy Joe Wilson posted:This is one thing (Maybe the only thing) W40K and Warhammer Fantasy do well, they just go big and don't care. General Battuta posted:It's funny because ancient to near medieval armies are much smaller than people tend to imagine, and then you get to the past couple centuries and armies are much bigger than people imagine.
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Arquinsiel posted:
Not to get too off-tangent, but it was more an issue of not having the capability to organize supply chains versus not wanting to. Would most Kings prefer to make sure their armies were properly fed and equipped? Absolutely. But when you work in a levies of levies system where each underling is bringing a random amount of men, who are bringing their own random amounts (Or at least a bare minimum), it's really hard to organize around that.
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Crazy Joe Wilson posted:Not to get too off-tangent, but it was more an issue of not having the capability to organize supply chains versus not wanting to. Would most Kings prefer to make sure their armies were properly fed and equipped? Absolutely. But when you work in a levies of levies system where each underling is bringing a random amount of men, who are bringing their own random amounts (Or at least a bare minimum), it's really hard to organize around that. We know that the Grand Army of the Republic was completely mechanised with troops requiring transportation to reach combat at all (because lol, spaaaaace) and we know that much of the maintenance roles for that transport, medical, mess, etc was filled by specialised droid units. Droids are presumably more durable than humans, meaning less breaks and less shifts, so the teeth/tail ratio is probably small. We can probably assume that there was one astromech per fighter, LAAT, etc, a number of loadlifters for missiles and supplies, however many medical droids are required to fill out a surgical suite (with Triage being done by clone medics like Kix), and at least one of those spinny-armed chefbots per Venator. "Entertainment" is... uh... ask Karen Traviss?
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Crazy Joe Wilson posted:That may be true in new canon but wasn't it in the old canon that during the Yuuzhon Vong war something like 600 billion sentients were dying every hour from the scale of the invasion? Seems like a lot of people per planet. 40K does everything well 
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Crazy Joe Wilson posted:That may be true in new canon but wasn't it in the old canon that during the Yuuzhon Vong war something like 600 billion sentients were dying every hour from the scale of the invasion? Seems like a lot of people per planet. that seems like bad number sense but in the other direction
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Pretty sure that was the figure for the whole war.
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Star Wars: Traitor, Chapter 11 posted:For the sake of argument, suppose the conquest of Coruscant has caused casualties on an unimaginable scale. 
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