Geeky Star Wars Book Thread: Attack of the Disney Clones

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Arquinsiel: Jun 1, 2006; "There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

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Your gimmick wasn't as obvious there.

# ¿ Feb 1, 2021 10:37

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# ¿ Apr 25, 2024 22:12

Arquinsiel: Jun 1, 2006; "There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

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Sorry, it had to what?

# ¿ Feb 5, 2021 14:42

Arquinsiel: Jun 1, 2006; "There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

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Oh, I was aware of the Nomi Sunrider thing, but nobody ever made the connection to Jeep before. It was always just mentioned as a vague "oh there's a trademark issue" which made no sense at all whatsoever because that's not how trademarks work.

# ¿ Feb 5, 2021 15:46

Arquinsiel: Jun 1, 2006; "There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

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Chairman Capone posted:

The Sunrider Jeep thing definitely isn't a myth. It was repeated forever on fan sites but eventually Lucasfilm people did comment on it. Some of the people involved in TOR have also talked about it, I think.

I went digging and all I've found so far is people confirming that there is an issue with the name "Sunrider", but not what that issue actually is. It's also kind of funny that Wookieepedia links to archive sites that no longer exist, but the original source is still up for a lot of this stuff.

# ¿ Feb 5, 2021 18:58

Arquinsiel: Jun 1, 2006; "There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

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He just gets drunk and goes "hey I bet you could, like, totally mine for flarknarg crystals on the moon of Hermpadermp with Palpatine's nerf-ivory backscratcher collection" and some dude at the bar goes "Lando that's a terrible idea" and then C-3PO is all "the odds of that working are-" and that's it, he's already on the phone to his space bookie.

# ¿ Feb 5, 2021 20:36

Arquinsiel: Jun 1, 2006; "There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

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Drone posted:

Legacy was cool mostly because of Imperial Knights, which were cool and neat. Unlike Jedi, which are dumb and bad.

Hot take central over here.

I did like that their whole deal was "watch the Emperor for signs of evil, apply lightsaber if necessary". Was an interesting spin on the usual red armoured guard dudes.

# ¿ Feb 6, 2021 17:47

Arquinsiel: Jun 1, 2006; "There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

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Her Republic Commando books are great. I picked them up over the last couple of years just because the game was so fun and I was curious about the tie-in. Happily the rest of the slapfight is stuff published when I wasn't paying attention and also in series I haven't bothered to go looking for since.

# ¿ Feb 7, 2021 02:44

Arquinsiel: Jun 1, 2006; "There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

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Presumably you did 17 other completely unremarkable patrols.

# ¿ Feb 12, 2021 23:59

Arquinsiel: Jun 1, 2006; "There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

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jivjov posted:

Karen Traviss is one of my favorite Star Wars authors....when she stays off in her own little Mando themed corner. The RepCom books are all real solid, but you have to be willing to go with the fact that everyone who is a POV character REALLY HATES JEDI and is a ride or die Mando lover

Yeah, they're pretty decent books as Star Wars goes.

# ¿ Feb 25, 2021 02:26

Arquinsiel: Jun 1, 2006; "There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

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None of which existed in the old EU so...

Kind of an inescapable conclusion.

# ¿ Mar 8, 2021 16:43

Arquinsiel: Jun 1, 2006; "There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

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Van Dis posted:

One thing I definitely do not conclude when looking at the sequel trilogy is that planning the narrative with an eye towards internal coherence and integrity was a prime goal, so unless there's a source for that claim I remain skeptical.

That's one hell of a goalpost shift you've pulled there, but you'll just have to take Star Wars dot com's word for it.

Chairman Capone posted:

I think the splintering of the EU was obvious to everyone as soon as the Disney purchase was announced, but I think the more surprising element for many was that they just shut the entire EU continuity down rather than keeping it as an ongoing alternate universe, the way the Marvel comics continue to exist in a separate continuity from the MCU.

The story for The Old Republic is still going. There was a small expansion last week.

# ¿ Mar 8, 2021 20:02

Arquinsiel: Jun 1, 2006; "There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

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Van Dis posted:

too complex to explain.

Van Dis posted:

"In order to give maximum creative freedom to the filmmakers"

Van Dis posted:

establish their own narrative over which they had control

These are all the same thing.

ETA: well, apart from where you tried to move the goalposts in the first one again.

# ¿ Mar 8, 2021 22:06

Arquinsiel: Jun 1, 2006; "There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

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Chairman Capone posted:

It's funny because Bothans have appeared in Disney novels, but with no description of their appearance; and then other visual sources have shown the EU version of Bothans, but without identifying them as such.

I feel like it was a big misstep not to have Bothans in Rogue One, just to confuse even further everyone who thought the "many Bothans" died to get the original Death Star plans.

The response to "What's your call sign?" in Rogue One should have been "Uhhhhh.... Bothans...? Manuel Bothans?" And then Bodhi could have been all "ah poo poo, I should have been cool and said "Rogue One" like a badass :smith:

" as he takes off.

# ¿ Apr 8, 2021 04:40

Arquinsiel: Jun 1, 2006; "There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

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After all of the discussion about the plans for TRoS being better than what we got, it's weird to be reading these thinking "they made the right call". Rogue One really is the best of the new films.

# ¿ Apr 8, 2021 23:20

Arquinsiel: Jun 1, 2006; "There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

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The Nebulon B isn't exactly a "big" ship though. Really just the Profundity is at all bigger than a frigate, and that wasn't really a match for a single Star Destroyer unsupported.

# ¿ Apr 9, 2021 05:13

Arquinsiel: Jun 1, 2006; "There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

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A lot of early speculation about High Republic put it from "KotOR is canon now" to where it actually ended up being, via "Yoda as a padawan".

# ¿ Apr 9, 2021 06:52

Arquinsiel: Jun 1, 2006; "There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

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It was okay, but it had the chance to mature at the end of season one and didn't. I feel like this take is pretty much spot on.

Chairman Capone posted:

I think Resistance was flawed from the foundation given it's a show called Resistance where the Resistance never really appears or plays a major part. It clearly started out as two ideas blended together (more lighthearted space racers and a sequel tie-in show) and the best episodes of Resistance were the ones where they leaned fully into only one of those premises.

If they had really been brave they should have made it a prequel-era podracing show. I mean hell they could have just replaced First Order with Separatists and it wouldn't have really made any major difference.

# ¿ Apr 17, 2021 00:05

Arquinsiel: Jun 1, 2006; "There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

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Looks like Felix Silla named there is gonna win it, unless we can find someone else in the original pilot of TOS who was in an earlier Star Wars film than RotJ.

# ¿ Apr 29, 2021 17:29

Arquinsiel: Jun 1, 2006; "There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

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Nckdictator posted:

I�m a tad confused about how a bootleg/unpublished EU book ended up on Amazon

https://youtu.be/pVa_4l8u0xc

Same way any topic you can think of has a book up there that's literally just the wikipedia article reformatted and sold via a print on demand vanity publishing outfit. Amazon have gently caress all quality control over what they allow up there.

# ¿ May 7, 2021 04:30

Arquinsiel: Jun 1, 2006; "There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

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Make it a little shrine.

# ¿ May 7, 2021 14:11

Arquinsiel: Jun 1, 2006; "There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

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There's an explanation of it in the item description.

# ¿ May 8, 2021 03:15

Arquinsiel: Jun 1, 2006; "There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

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Rochallor posted:

Corellia is clearly the New Jersey planet.

I really love this idea TBH.

# ¿ May 9, 2021 22:58

Arquinsiel: Jun 1, 2006; "There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

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Now that you've spelled it out, that works really well for it.

# ¿ May 10, 2021 02:02

Arquinsiel: Jun 1, 2006; "There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

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They never stopped printing it. They just didn't release it all at once because that would just clog shelves. They're totally going to "Disney Vault" this poo poo.

# ¿ May 16, 2021 07:37

Arquinsiel: Jun 1, 2006; "There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

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Seems like the first order might have left a droid there to keep an eye on the temple etc.

# ¿ May 25, 2021 22:27

Arquinsiel: Jun 1, 2006; "There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

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Scoundrels was pretty fun, but I vaguely remember feeling like a few too many characters showed up who we were supposed to know from previous things. Other than that, Zahn had one good new Thrawn book, and then went straight back to the super-special everyone knows how great he is snowflake character that irritated me the first time around.

# ¿ Jun 22, 2021 02:41

Arquinsiel: Jun 1, 2006; "There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

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Casimir Radon posted:

The one true answer.

I will forever love that series for having a droid that everyone calls "Bollux".

# ¿ Jun 25, 2021 23:47

Arquinsiel: Jun 1, 2006; "There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

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Given that the bad guy uses a martial art from a PS2 era fighting game, I think it being an inter-franchise thing is less likely than it being a reference to the old Star Wars stuff.

# ¿ Jun 29, 2021 13:52

Arquinsiel: Jun 1, 2006; "There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

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The Exar Kun reference isn't one I would have caught just watching the movie. It's rather slim a link.

# ¿ Jun 29, 2021 15:49

Arquinsiel: Jun 1, 2006; "There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

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At least that second unnecessary Anakin insertion was to promote the new land at the Disney parks.

Wait, that's not better :negative:

# ¿ Jun 30, 2021 04:16

Arquinsiel: Jun 1, 2006; "There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

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Having started on Light of the Jedi now that the paperback is available, it's nice to see that they brought Monument Plaza back into canon. That's a really niche detail from an old McQuarrie painting that I liked when I saw it in the old Illustrated Star Wars Universe.

Also lol that Yarael Poof is tootling around on the council.

# ¿ Jul 4, 2021 22:42

Arquinsiel: Jun 1, 2006; "There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

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The Drenghir turn up in the comics at some point, and they are introduced in a way that makes sense there so I'd guess that's their first appearence.

# ¿ Jul 10, 2021 00:09

Arquinsiel: Jun 1, 2006; "There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

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The thing about Thrawn being "bad at politics" is that it feels like Zahn had to give him some weakness and that weakness doesn't make sense in the context of someone who is supposed to be a highly competent military commander who reads cultural tendencies from their artwork. Also it feels like he's going "see? He's autistic just like you!" to the reader, in the most cack-handed way.

# ¿ Jul 11, 2021 07:17

Arquinsiel: Jun 1, 2006; "There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

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The IDW comics trend towards shorter one-shot kid friendly stories. I got about 20 issues in and then stopped bothering to pirate them. They're not legally availabe over here for "reasons", and when I asked the local nerd shop about them there was much incoherent grunting and angry gesticulating so... :shrug:

# ¿ Jul 15, 2021 05:07

Arquinsiel: Jun 1, 2006; "There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

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Arcsquad12 posted:

Not until Bryce Dallas Howard homaged her dad in Mando season 2.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qU6gYnJH2G0

Everyone forgets Revenge of the Sith and the one time that ol' Sheev looked like he might be worried about his plan.

# ¿ Jul 20, 2021 03:50

Arquinsiel: Jun 1, 2006; "There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

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jivjov posted:

Spoiler tagged my thoughts on your review for safety: Much like the greater galaxy's knowledge of the Jedi order being distorted from our POV because 95% of the stories we read and watch concern Jedi or other force users, same with the Nihil threat. Yea they're dangerous, but to most people, even those in power, they're just a slightly larger than normal pirate gang.

I completely agree with you on the overall scale and import of other threats though. I had it in my head when this series was first announced that it was set more like 500-600 years pre TPM rather than like 140 or whatever and that really seems like it'd be a better fit. There so much Big Stuff happening that apparently has completely faded from all memory, and unless there's something like a Jedi purge style disinformation campaign in the third phase of THR, it's gonna feel a bit odd that none of it comes up again in the prequels

The thing that really strikes me about it is the sort of sense of "frontier settlement" of it all. The Outer Rim being brought into the Republic only around the events of the book makes the universe feel a hell of a lot newer and smaller than before somehow.

# ¿ Jul 21, 2021 02:30

Arquinsiel: Jun 1, 2006; "There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

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Oppo Rancisis and Yarael Poof are both on the council at the same time too. It doesn't feel like it's the golden age of the Republic so much as a weird combination of the rapid growth era and also five minutes before The Phantom Menace.

# ¿ Jul 21, 2021 04:19

Arquinsiel: Jun 1, 2006; "There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

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Teek posted:

One thing about the "frontier" aspects of the Outer Rim. Basically it's not that all these regions are being newly accessed, just that they're finally getting an interstate out to them. In my mind, it's the change from the classic US Route 66 to the new interstate system. You could get to those places, it's just much easier by the time of the PT era. And the Unknown Regions by the time of the ST, is still even further back in time, like early 1800s western America.

I'm not sure the metaphor holds since a big deal is made about hyperspace navigation and how difficult that is. They sort of seem to imply that astromech droids aren't exactly a thing yet, despite the solution to the problem in the first book, but also that somehow travel is just more inherently dangerous in the area.

# ¿ Jul 21, 2021 16:47

Arquinsiel: Jun 1, 2006; "There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

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Treating that series of books as canon is really silly, since in the first one alone it contradicts itself a couple of times. Every author got complete freedom to just make poo poo up because it's all unreliably narrated. The contradictions were inevitable with them getting 40 stories out of what we saw on-screen. There's only so much you can do there. Also I'm pretty sure the statement that it's "canon" is stretching the concept to appease nerds. It sure is a book that Disney published, but that doesn't mean they give a poo poo about it being consistent.

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Arquinsiel: Jun 1, 2006; "There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

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Also the Chimaera was Thrawn's flagship prior to Endor, so it's plausible that as Captain of that Pellaeon bluffed that he was acting with Thrawn's authority and hoped nobody would notice that he was actually deployed elsewhere at the time.

# ¿ Aug 22, 2021 05:34

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