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So. The company that originally developed the Left 4 Dead co-op shooter series is now reviving the series under a new name. It comes out in June but it's in closed alpha from Dec. 17-21. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sG8-0UlzrEA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RpP7nvIv6SU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ys9bVAa9J1Y Is anyone else playing it in the closed alpha test right now? It only runs until the 21st but I thought it might be more fun to play with someone other than pubbies. I wasn't a big L4D person, so I'm not really the one to put in a whole bunch of effort into a megathread OP, but there didn't seem to be any thread for discussing it. Marble Hebrons discord has a decent number of goons playing this. I had Discendo Vox's old Payday discord linked here before and it's still an option but there didn't seem to be a lot of uptake. Cease to Hope fucked around with this message at 07:11 on Oct 13, 2021 |
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I'm pleased to hear there will be a new L4D but unless a game is already out it doesn't exist for me. Not trying to damper anyone's enthusiasm. Just trying to explain the lack of responses.
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resting bort face posted:I'm pleased to hear there will be a new L4D but unless a game is already out it doesn't exist for me. Mainly I was fishing for other goons in the alpha.
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If this drat thing comes out and doesn't suck, I'll probably drop a few thousand hours into it. Hell, I might even chop my dick off because I won't have any time for sex because who needs that poo poo anyway when you have to kill zombies with the old crew.
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Ugh, I was very interested until the card system was mentioned. In the video she says they're earned through challenges but what's the betting you can pay money for packs of them on release?
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Olympic Mathlete posted:Ugh, I was very interested until the card system was mentioned. In the video she says they're earned through challenges but what's the betting you can pay money for packs of them on release? I'm not interested in it at all if they're going to go with loot box nonsense, but I don't really see any reason to assume that it is. A bunch of the perks are so heavily associated with particular characters in art and concept that I kinda suspect that they're going with something along the lines of Gears horde cards, where you grind out a character to get their cards.
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Wow it's not even out yet and WB already managed to ruin this game. Just drop $90 for the full experience! (Prices are same on the US shop) 
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The base price is the game (and a preorder skin pack). The digital deluxe is that, four days of early access, and what seems to be a season pass for three DLC, sight unseen. The ultimate pack is that plus some cosmetics and seems stupid to me. $60 plus $30 more for a season pass out of the gate is pretty standard AAA poo poo. I'm not happy about it but none of it seems unusual except how pointlessly obfuscated it is. I would absolutely not preorder or bother with the deluxe or ultimate nonsense sight unseen.
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Skin monetization is 100% normal and its not like its a competitive shooter, so who cares?
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dogstile posted:Skin monetization is 100% normal and its not like its a competitive shooter, so who cares? Unless it's a 2015-era payday 2 thing with stats/boosts directly attached to the skins that can only be gotten with real outside money, and also a big hearty lol @ Lucca Blight posted:Wow it's not even out yet and WB already managed to ruin this game. Just drop $90 for the full experience! (Prices are same on the US shop)
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EorayMel posted:Unless it's a 2015-era payday 2 thing with stats/boosts directly attached to the skins that can only be gotten with real outside money, and also a big hearty lol @ Considering what happened after they tried that, they'd have to be braindead to try it.
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Kinda doubt my computer can play this game that well, but it would be nice to relive the Goon4Dead days again. Have we officially gotten to the point where New Zombie Game can be met with something other than groans?
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Characters all have unique perks, as if each character has 2 or 3 cards equipped already, so it's not like you're picking between Zoey or Bill a la Left 4 Dead 2.
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Momomo posted:Kinda doubt my computer can play this game that well, but it would be nice to relive the Goon4Dead days again. Have we officially gotten to the point where New Zombie Game can be met with something other than groans? I didn't play L4D back in the day, but I am enjoying this in the alpha test. The only downside is playing with pubbies and bots, so it's hard to turn up the difficulty at all. EorayMel posted:Unless it's a 2015-era payday 2 thing with stats/boosts directly attached to the skins that can only be gotten with real outside money, and also a big hearty lol @ There's some confusion about how the game works here I think. Here's how things work right now: You pick one of four human characters. Each character has some associated abilities and a starting secondary weapon, as well as a bunch of triggered voice barks. Holly has a bat and a bunch of melee-oriented bonuses, Evangelo has a machete and goes fast, Walker has a Glock handgun and is just generically good at dealing damage with guns, and Hoffman hoards ammo and support items and has an M1911. There are also four blanked-out spots for more characters; they've already previewed one. The bonuses characters have are fixed, and match their personalities. It kinda sucks when you wanted to play melee but Holly is already taken. In any case, the characters aren't just skins; it's different from L4D that way. I assume from marketing that there will be skins for each character, like in games like Overwatch or Apex. I am almost certain that they also intend to sell people more characters in DLC (judging from the description of the Deluxe edition's season pass), and those characters will have a game impact unless something changes. You also pick a deck of 15 cards, chosen from your library of about 75-ish. Everyone has the same library in the alpha. I assume but do not know for certain that this is the main thing you'll be grinding for in the game; they have said you unlock cards with "challenges". (I've seen the edges of a non-functional challenge UI in the alpha, as I accomplished things like finishing the first act for the first time or killing X number of ridden zombies.) Generally, cards have an always-on bonus (eg +10% reload speed) or a triggered bonus (everyone heals 75 health when someone goes down). There's also cards to start with a basic primary weapon: a one-star sniper rifle, sawed-off shotgun, AK, or Uzi SMG. Your deck has one "loadout" card that you always start with at the beginning of a run. This is a good place for a card that's a lynchpin to your build, often a primary weapon to start with. You then draw cards randomly from your remaining deck; three cards to start, then one card before each stage in the run (or every time you fail and hit continue). Some of the cards are so closely tied to certain characters with art and mechanics that I suspect that they're earned by playing that character, possibly similar to perk cards in Gears 5 Horde. If you're playing in the alpha, the non-ADS perk cards are super great, and I don't think two cards that do the exact same thing (eg +10% accuracy and +30% accuracy but no ADS) stack together. However, team based bonuses do stack with each other; if all four players take +10% fatigue, everyone gets +40% fatigue. It's possible that the cards end up some sort of lootbox/CCG system where they're available for real money, but none of the announced DLC stuff with the deluxe edition says anything about that. Before each stage, there are also Ridden perk cards. This is more or less fixed based on difficulty right now, but I think it'll be a bit more random in the final game. Ridden perk cards change what enemies you face. There's three different speeds of regular zombie, plus an armored zombie wearing police riot armor with helmets that pop off when you shoot them. There's also a chance for the Ogre boss from the trailer to appear in 1-3, where you have to fight him to get by. (He always appears in 1-2, but you just run away like in the trailer.) This seems like an obvious place to graft on more unlockable stuff to mix up the stages you've already done before, or add in new special zombies in later DLC. The other big changes from L4D, although this may be incomplete since I didn't play L4D:
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Verviticus posted:the only thing that had any lasting power in l4d and l4d2 was the versus mode and im not sure i trust that mode to be fun with the card and leveling and all that rpg bullshit
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So having played the Alpha I'm wondering if anyone had the same impression we did which is that the finale stage is... fuckin ludicrously overtuned. It might've been because we always did it with only 3 humans (we had a fourth pubbie who always dropped by 1-4) but like, even with the minigun trained on the boat it felt like there was absolutely no break whatsoever and you were just permanently buried under 30 zombies at all times. After like, blowing through an entire crowd and switching to melee to make some more progress and take advantage of the card that reloads weapons when they're not out, and then unloading into the crowd again it feels like at no point is there ever a break in the wave. Then sometimes just getting into the boat it decides to spawn like 5 bruisers in a row and you can't advance because they'll punch you off the ramp into the water and insta kill you. Does anyone else have the experience that it just seems straight up impossible, at least if you have a bot? Even the most hectic finales in l4d you could like, limp through if you lost someone.
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Cease to Hope posted:You also pick a deck of 15 cards, chosen from your library of about 75-ish. Everyone has the same library in the alpha. I assume but do not know for certain that this is the main thing you'll be grinding for in the game; they have said you unlock cards with "challenges". (I've seen the edges of a non-functional challenge UI in the alpha, as I accomplished things like finishing the first act for the first time or killing X number of ridden zombies.) Generally, cards have an always-on bonus (eg +10% reload speed) or a triggered bonus (everyone heals 75 health when someone goes down). There's also cards to start with a basic primary weapon: a one-star sniper rifle, sawed-off shotgun, AK, or Uzi SMG. This doesn't sound horrible on its face, it sounds somewhat like what Fighting EX Layer has, but widened out.
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Glagha posted:So having played the Alpha I'm wondering if anyone had the same impression we did which is that the finale stage is... fuckin ludicrously overtuned. It might've been because we always did it with only 3 humans (we had a fourth pubbie who always dropped by 1-4) but like, even with the minigun trained on the boat it felt like there was absolutely no break whatsoever and you were just permanently buried under 30 zombies at all times. After like, blowing through an entire crowd and switching to melee to make some more progress and take advantage of the card that reloads weapons when they're not out, and then unloading into the crowd again it feels like at no point is there ever a break in the wave. Then sometimes just getting into the boat it decides to spawn like 5 bruisers in a row and you can't advance because they'll punch you off the ramp into the water and insta kill you. Does anyone else have the experience that it just seems straight up impossible, at least if you have a bot? Even the most hectic finales in l4d you could like, limp through if you lost someone. Yeah the finale seemed pretty hard. The furthest I got with pubs was getting the bombs planted and then we got crushed by the hordes while trying to escape the blast radius. I didn't play a whole lot but a lot of the game stuck out to me as "this is just change for the sake of change" and wasn't a huge improvement over L4D2. I could take or leave the addition of sprint (it was just the syringe powerup before) but the limited stamina thing was definitely present before for melee...maybe just limited to the pushback function. I hate the lack of flashlight - some areas are pitch loving black and I don't know why we can't have a flashlight as a free item again; maybe it gets added in as a gun attachment. The attachment system is a neat expansion on a system they sorta had in L4D2 and I appreciate guns having randomized attachments as open world drops. Separated ammo pools/pickups for everything is probably the worst change. I don't know why they did this; maybe to try to force more coordination? But it felt like everybody ran dry on ammo a lot when the director kept spawning sniper ammo while everybody has AKs.
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The "spawn more ammo" card is invaluable and benefits everyone and AFAICT stacks. But you never know if anyone but you has it. I don't know why the "spawn more X" card isn't a shared card. You can also buy ammo refills for fairly cheap in safe rooms.
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https://youtu.be/egKKE8dQC9M this games going to be a palpatable 8/10 co-op shooter when it releases which im ok with will the devs improve it with more dev time? who knows
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I'm glad that they came out and explained the card grind poo poo. It was fair to worry that was gonna be really heavily monetized.
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New beta starts tommorow. Also why is this thread so dead.
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Mendrian posted:New beta starts tommorow. It'll get some traffic once betas are out there, hopefully more good posts than bad. I feel like i gave a LOT of notes from the last playtest, hope they took feedback to heart.
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Beta is pretty fun. People in the official discord are incredibly salty.
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Maybe it's just because I'm playing on PS4 but so far it honestly just feels really half baked compared to L4D2(or other games in the genre like Vermintide 2 or Killing Floor 2) in basically every regard and also has that problem a lot of co-op shooters fall into these days by doing lots of things that add difficulty just for the sake of making it harder rather than it actually being enjoyable to play
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I hope this will have a more traditional versus mode going through the actual campaign levels like L4D had since this survival thing looks okay but will probably not have the staying power L4D because of it. Also based on the about 45 minutes of watching a streamer play the versus mode the meta is gonna be using the spitting guys and leveling up the slow down on the spit and just spitting on survivors over and over. Not much that can be done about it (at least until people start messing around with survivor builds and seeing how effective whatever counters they have might be) All the gross monotization stuff is reminding me of Evolved. Why do Turtle Rock games always end up being marketed this way 
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Played a run on Survivor difficulty on Xbox just now. Overall impressions were that the shooting was good, weapon types are fun, and card/character customization is neat. Biggest downside to me is the run system. It took us on our first blind run about 2 hours to lose on stage 6/8. We could have quit early, but there was a penalty for leaving. I would be more ok with the run system if the penalty wasn’t there. Makes it hard if you can’t always devote 2+ hours to the game.
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The people I'd potentially be playing this with don't play on PC and don't have beta access. Is there a way I'm missing to not touch the pubstove and play solo? I quickly ran through the options this morning but it seemed like even setting games to Closed still plunks you in with randoms from PSN or something.
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Mailer posted:The people I'd potentially be playing this with don't play on PC and don't have beta access. Is there a way I'm missing to not touch the pubstove and play solo? I quickly ran through the options this morning but it seemed like even setting games to Closed still plunks you in with randoms from PSN or something. There is an option somewhere in preferences for it but it appears to be currently disabled. I'm going to guess the major point of this beta is to test matchmaking. EDIT: So I wanted to make a somewhat critical post to address some of the impressions I agreed with and some I didn't WRT to this game. The biggest complaint I've been seeing is that the game "Has no soul" or "Just doesn't feel engaging" and the like. I hate these kinds of criticisms as much as I understand them, they're infuriating because they say absolutely nothing. Like they're valid in so far as a piece of art is supposed to make you feel something and games are a piece of art but it's extraordinarily non-specific. I think if I were to try to crack that open there are definitely some areas that need help. In that bucket I'd put 'level design'; Area 1-X is just a lot of hallways, tunnels, and small trees accented with concrete and I gotta say as someone who as played a lot of games my brain parses that as just rectangles and boxes. The ship, otoh, is interesting and exciting. The flesh barn and flesh house are equally interesting. If anything I'd say that B4B has some interesting ideas but they string together their cool encounters with a lot of empty roads and such which is loyal to L4D but the model has been iterated on since then. Enemy design too falls into that bucket; the Bruiser my brain parses as scary and special but the others are just bricks. Also I think the game on the whole needs more color. There, that's why it feels like it's empty and has no soul. Oh also the sound design is very samey for enemies. The second complain I see all the time is that the VS mode sucks and I can't speak to that at all. I played L4D for literal years and never played VS because it stressed me out so I'm going to shrug here and move on The third complaint I see all over is that the game is 'too easy' to which I say lol you have played too much L4D game is as challenging as its competitors. There are definitely bones to pick with the game but in terms of tweaking the character of the game they could do a lot with very little adjustment but time will tell if they bother. Mendrian fucked around with this message at 04:40 on Aug 6, 2021 |
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Apparently one of the devs confirmed in discord that there won't be Campaign Versus, which makes this game dead on arrival for me unfortunately. Beta, especially the pvp mode, was very meh for me too.
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I actually think Versus Campaign is overated compared to Scavenge/Follow the Liter but I get why people love it. It does feel weird that they won't have it at all considering how much they're clearly designing around l4d otherwise. I hope they at least toss in some sort of objective based mode because if it's just sweaty Survival the PVP is likely gonna be DOA. I wouldn't care that much tbh but if they're gonna do it they should make sure people actually want to play it.
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thewizardofshoe posted:I actually think Versus Campaign is overated compared to Scavenge/Follow the Liter but I get why people love it. It does feel weird that they won't have it at all considering how much they're clearly designing around l4d otherwise. I hope they at least toss in some sort of objective based mode because if it's just sweaty Survival the PVP is likely gonna be DOA. I wouldn't care that much tbh but if they're gonna do it they should make sure people actually want to play it. Yeah I agree with that too. I can't care less about PvP in these games, I think it's completely counter to the point, but if you're going to include it, it should be dedicated to your PvP diehards those are the only people interested in the mode. And they're incredibly easy to alienate as a group.
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I played a round, until they killed me (first dead in my team, ups). So… it’s basically Left 4 Dead 3. Which it was always the intention, the title says as much, with the 4 in the middle and the choice of the word ‘back’, back to their original series, but with another name. This was already clear on the trailers, but playing it made me think how similar is to L4D, even in the visuals, for things like the chosen colors and the lightning. They clearly tried to be reminiscent of how the first two looked, even if they are using a different engine! Beyond that, well, the level structure & overall pace is also similar to L4D, same as some of the special zombies, same as the safe houses, etc. The novelties? -weapons are more rpg-y, presented with a card with stats and the overall level. -They can have attachments. -In general there is more itemization. Not only there are a good number of different weapons, both melee and ranged, but there are also a good amount of explosives, defensive or offensive items, etc. -Weapons have different ammo (rifles, smg, pistol, sniper, shotgun, I think), you can take any ammo even if you don’t have that weapon type and you can drop ammo for mates. -The card system, as a series of random bonuses or mutators for the level (one I’ve seen, fog present in the map). Some of the cards are actually more challenges than anything else, like receive x gold if you don’t die more than 1 time. That kind of stuff. So really the cards are a catch-all system for several different things, like player perks, random level changes, challenges, etc. -There is a economy, you win money and there is shop in each safe house. -edit: It's so obvious that I didn't write it, but one of the main differences is that now you have ADS and sprint button. oh yeah the performance is very good, even in a not top of the line computer. Turin Turambar fucked around with this message at 09:16 on Aug 6, 2021 |
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I literally only cared about Versus in L4D and it's all I care about here. What's wrong with it?
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So having played some more it's overall feeling less jank than my first try, but still feels incredibly inconsistent regarding difficulty in a way that detracts from the overall experience including what's probably my biggest overall issue with the game; the Ridden are honestly both boring as enemies(as they are very stupid in a way that was acceptable enough back in LFD2 but feels antiquated in a bad way for a game being released in 2021*) and often obnoxious to fight too(the melee hit detection for them is a bit bullshit in both directions), Mutated in particular just plain suck to fight(the whole weak point system just makes them a chore to kill) especially those really tall ones with the club arms cause they take way too much effort to kill and deal way too much damage too, if they show up during a horde event(which I also have problems with in general) in a cramped enough area than you're basically hosed particularly if more than one shows up *indeed that's an overarching issue with the game, it feels too much like a game from 2009 in a lot of bad ways
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Managed to squeeze in about half a run last night, and yeah it's basically L4D 3. Which is nice, since that's pretty much exactly what I was hoping for. They kept the core formula largely untouched and instead focused on making runs feel more varied, which I'd say is a solid move. The guns feel solid and I appreciate the added variety, and the cards do seem like they could make for interesting builds down the line. I already had a fun combo with the healing on melee kills and the one that turns your shove into a knife melee attack. My main complaint so far is mostly just that the specials feel a little visually indistinct. The Exploder and retch are big Greyish squares that look pretty similar, and the Stinger (?) is very nearly invisible next to regular infected.
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I don't know if I (or my pubbie teammates) am just terrible, but the easiest difficulty setting is dull because there's no challenge, but the next one up is way, way harder to the point that we normally fail on 1-2 or 1-3. I also agree about the visual clarity of the special infected, they don't pop out enough.
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