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History will remember this as the glorious Battle of Arbitrary Ill-Chosen Strikes.
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Why bother sinking your carriers when he can just shoot down all your pilots. Thats going to take those CVs out of action for at least a month. Did you have the wrong orders set, port strike or something rather than naval strike? Cimber fucked around with this message at 19:02 on Jul 29, 2021 |
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Nope, they specifically attacked active navy task forces, not doing port strikes. It was just the same poo poo luck as yesterday, with a bonus of his battleship pathing going "all the drugs all the time".
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Carrier planes having quite this grim odds in big battles was something I didn't really realize before I started reading goon witp lps
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I can't wait to meet the next crop of dashing Carrier Pilots.
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aphid_licker posted:Carrier planes having quite this grim odds in big battles was something I didn't really realize before I started reading goon witp lps Those dudes had giant brass ones. The dramatic fatalism in a movie like Star Wars is not far off (not surprising since he ripped off a WWII movie for that part).
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Akratic Method posted:History will remember this as the glorious Battle of Arbitrary Ill-Chosen Strikes. The Great Milne Bay
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You've had some very good luck lately; you've been overdue for a bad streak
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  Woosh.  Maybe pay attention next time you sleepy sods.  Not so woosh.  In for a chance at retaliation at least.  Lol no. One hit ought to be survivable though.    Yeah that ain’t happening.  Nicks on Lysanders   Lysanders are better than nothing.  A good day for catching him in India anyway.  Bollingbrookes, that’s a bit better.  Heavy escort here, but we are safe in the mountains.  Surely the stalling speed of a Scythe is below the top speed of these wicker baskets.  So their response to the escort getting caught yesterday, is to disable the escort   Makes sense from the perspective of the Kittyhawks maybe, bt I’d imagine the Hudson pilots are less than amused.  We’re never going to manage to cross behind Bangalore at this rate, but if it draws this much of his strike potential I’m not complaining.  Our LRCAP here doesn’t engage   The Mitchells still going for us in the jungle.  Just as well since with this escort they could easily punch through our LRCAP.  Fortresses at Colombo   One down, but more importantly, storms!  Ahaha, get fukt.  Rough or no rough, enough bombs eventually get through.  Bandoeng definitely seems to be on some kind of roll now.  Calcutta.  They start bombarding now at Jamshedpur. Bombardments generally favour the defender, so despite us losing before, it’s a non result here.   I’m almost inclined to think West Virginia must have sunk, how else could Atago have not found her?  But there’s no floatplanes lost for him, so she couldn't have done.  Hitati Maru on the other hand is definitely dead  Hiryu and Soryu have finished their refits, and I had planned to immediately rush them down to Truk to meet up with Tairyu and Donryu. However those two are going to need at least a fortnight to recover their airgroups, so there’s no point. We will wait the extra five days for the other three to become available, and leave together.  Milne Bay is making a steady progress of 4% a day on the forts.  I-156 has had a rough night of it, and may well be screwed, although with her systems damage still relatively low she might yet manage to pump it back out.  Their CVs are safely tucked up at Luganville.   Taking Dimapur, I hope.  We will hit them again here, and then maybe try for Raipur.  Supply to the Southern Solomons will need to be via fast transport at the moment.  Port Moresby has been pretty quiet, let’s try sweeping there. I also have an idea I’d like to try and sweep the mines there, which will obviously require air superiority to have any chance of working.
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Wow at those carriers just chilling there in plain sight
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Time to set everything at Lunga, Rennel etc scurrying back up towards Rabaul, I'd say. He's definitely going to visit there and/or Milne Bay now that he's got reason to think the KB isn't in town.
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How long do you guess it will take you to rebuild those carrier airgroups? I'm guessing the bottleneck is pilots, not planes, since you lose Vals and Kates in bursts, not trickles.
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I wonder if he should perhaps send his carriers north east of Pearl harbor and do a bit of convoy raiding between SF and Hawaii? That could be amusing.
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Cimber posted:I wonder if he should perhaps send his carriers north east of Pearl harbor and do a bit of convoy raiding between SF and Hawaii? That could be amusing. Doesn't work well. Even with his oilers he wouldn't have the fuel to actually stay in the area for a useful amount of time.
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I'm guessing he'll use the KB and some battlewagons to just burn down all of Fiji and raid anything going towards Australia for the rest of the year?
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Burning the place down and moving with impunity doesn't seem to be working well at Port Moresby and that's significantly closer to Rabaul and Truk than Fiji is.
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  The first decent thing we've had in the periscope for ages, and you miss  Our submarines are very frustrating right now, i know they are in the right places but they just aren’t getting results.  Sweep of Tezpur.  We’re rather evenly matched, but we come out ahead, just.  He hasn’t done any sweeping in a long time. I wonder what he has planned here?  A couple of straggling Tojos sweep Tezpur. Hopefully their CAP is now sufficiently depleted for them to manage to survive.  And they even claim a Mohwak.  Three waves, three kills, no losses. Good enough.  Looks like the men marching on Bangalore are today's prime target.  The rough terrain protects us from significant damage.  I don’t think these biplanes have ever hit anything yet.  And we still aren’t trying to move, so   Definitely angry about us being close to Bangalore.  Between the rain and the hills, even the Mitchells don’t achieve much.  Or the Marauders.  Fortresses are back at Milne!  First raid we’ve seen in quite a while, and definitely to be described as a flop.  Ha, I knew he was going to sweep here!  Even diving from 25k we can only trade equally though. Our CAP number there is the total number of planes assigned to CAP, not necessarily the total number of planes ready and in position, whereas sweep always comes in as one cohesive flight. This is why sweep tends to favour the aggressors unless the CAP is truly ridiculous.  At least all our other stuff has been free to move around unmolested.  MIssed.  What do you mean sub escapes detection?? You didn’t even try to find her!  We “attack” Dimapur, but they’ve already escaped to the other side of the river.  Steady progress.  No progress whatsoever.  Somehow the 46th Indian has divided itself, so he won’t have to pay the political cost of reforming them, but we wipe out this chunk. I don’t get how he managed that, when when they attacked Cuttack they were just the 46th Indian. Very weird.  Haha, you lose.  You cheeky little shits. Well that certainly argues he’s thinking of something around here.   A quiet day again, but I’m pretty sure I heard West Virginia go down, even if the points don’t match. Something did anyway.  Two more Seagulls, that’s a fairly solid confirmation.  Uhh Houston? What? I don’t think we’ve even seen her in combat since December have we? Mind you, I suppose it’s possible she hit a mine or something, and the Seagulls were actually hers.  The 2nd engineer regiment is reformed at Tokyo today, wiped out crossing a river into Calcutta.  Akagi’s repair schedule has slipped by a day, so I increase her to high priority to keep her in line with the Shokakus.  We’re safe back at Rabaul, and everyone is together to head for Truk, where we can overhaul the engines after all that flank speed.  We’ve started putting the airgroups back together, but in particular we are cripplingly short of Zeroes.  Tairyu is even worse, and our pools are empty of spare (M2) Zeroes.   The 6th Tank will push up the valley towards Ledu and it’s small oil wells, first stop Jorhat.  And the infantry are pushing for Imphal via Kohima.  We continue the push towards Raipur.  Wait a second, that unit now in front of our tanks must be the one that was staring down the 56th regiment. In that case let’s have the infantry start marching on Raipur too.  Time to attack Trichinopoly. We have plenty of reinforcements on the way if this should first probe should fail.  We’re reporting two whole divisions at Bangalore now. I don’t think I really want to get us into another jungle rough hell siege just now, so we’re going to turn around and let them have it.  He can see our shipping at Madras, and it’s in range of torpedo bombers from Bangalore, so let’s go for LRCAP to be safe.  And LRCAP of Milne Bay again.
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The thing where you can sort of divine that something went down from the points and seagull losses is a really funny artifact of the mechanisms involved
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It has that same taste there is in high level Civ4 PBEM play in which you set up a game on the side to try to match your opponents' known point score to track their progress and generally keep a notebook of all sightings and meaningful events on your computer desk.
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SIGSEGV posted:It has that same taste there is in high level Civ4 PBEM play in which you set up a game on the side to try to match your opponents' known point score to track their progress and generally keep a notebook of all sightings and meaningful events on your computer desk. Wait, is this really something that happens?
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sniper4625 posted:Wait, is this really something that happens? Tryhards are a universal phenomenon.
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Cimber posted:So, can you deduce what some of his intentions were based on some of the naval activity in the past few days? I very much doubt he has any ambitions to go for Rabaul without even trying to do a Solomons campaign first. The blow is going to fall either on Guadalcanal, or the Gilberts, with today's events making the later look far more likely. The battleships were almost certainly there hoping to catch a bombardment fleet of ours, had we for example sent the Kongos in there's every chance between the bombardment fleet penalty and the fact that standards are just angry bricks in a battle, of seriously loving us up and very likely sinking at least one or two. aphid_licker posted:Wow at those carriers just chilling there in plain sight Bear in mind that "plain sight" is anything within 46*26 = 1196nm, or 1375 miles of any of our bases. At cruising speed his carriers cover 360nm per day, and even if he used flank speed (which he never has yet) that's only 720nm. He doesn't really have a whole lot of options to stay hidden if he doesn't want to just completely remove his carriers from the war. Pirate Radar posted:How long do you guess it will take you to rebuild those carrier airgroups? I'm guessing the bottleneck is pilots, not planes, since you lose Vals and Kates in bursts, not trickles. Actually no, since Alikchi based this on scen two I get far more pilots than I can know what to do with. So many I'd actually really rather have less because it costs a ton of heavy industry to train them and I can't possibly build enough planes to use them all Something like 17% of our entire economy is dedicated to training pilots, of which we might manage to use 25-30%. Cimber posted:I wonder if he should perhaps send his carriers north east of Pearl harbor and do a bit of convoy raiding between SF and Hawaii? That could be amusing. Magni posted:Doesn't work well. Even with his oilers he wouldn't have the fuel to actually stay in the area for a useful amount of time. Hard disagree. I'd love to send the KB across the North Pacific to get between Hawaii and the mainland, but right now we have other things for them to be worrying about. uPen posted:Burning the place down and moving with impunity doesn't seem to be working well at Port Moresby and that's significantly closer to Rabaul and Truk than Fiji is. Yes, but our objective at Fiji would be purely to raid and sink whatever we find in the vicinity, we don't need to permanently suppress the place. Magni posted:Tryhards are a universal phenomenon. I and my 57 pages of notes feel personally attacked.
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One day you'll get the chance to sink this beauty:  and be glad Alikchi doesn't have F4 Phantoms in this mod.
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sniper4625 posted:Wait, is this really something that happens? You'd better hope so, a game like that starts with a couple turns a day and then slows to one a day, roughly, because keeping so many people in sync is really hard, so you get a day to think about things and one of those things is the game, so you think about it in the shower, you think about it in the subway, you think about it while peeling potatoes, and then, because it's high level play, and even more if everyone is documenting it in an AAR thread and you're getting involved in your success, you've got an audience after all, you figure out that you're going to see who built what first, based on score, and after doing that the first time, there's no harm in keeping on doing it, right?
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Pharnakes posted:I and my 57 pages of notes feel personally attacked. Anecdote: After the game I played against Pharnakes concluded (I folded after a crippling defeat,) he showed me his Google drive folder of notes. Dude takes this game seriously. I know it’s not really related to the LP, but if you ever decide to outline your per-turn workflow (not strategy or first turn setup, just the workflow of managing the deluge of information,) I know that at least I would find it extremely interesting. MrYenko fucked around with this message at 23:42 on Jul 31, 2021 |
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This discussion is making me feel increasingly inadequate about my open Doom2 => scoot in circles while spraying bullets inaccurately => wheee! gaming approach
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Do any of your divisions get good ToE upgrades in this scenario? I can't imagine we'll see them getting Japanese bazookas but a scenario that buffs Japan has to give them something
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CannonFodder posted:and be glad Alikchi doesn't have F4 Phantoms in this mod. Surely someone has at least attempted a Final Countdown mod.
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overmind2000 posted:Do any of your divisions get good ToE upgrades in this scenario? I can't imagine we'll see them getting Japanese bazookas but a scenario that buffs Japan has to give them something Don't know about ToEs, but he's getting at least some stuff early and/or in larger quantities. For an example, IIRC the Type 1 tanks used by the Imperial Guards tank division historically didn't start production before 1943. And the division may have more of them than were ever built IOTL? Funnily enough, the Japanese DID build a Bazooka counterpart in small numbers historically, it just never saw combat as all produced examples were held back on the Home Islands. Magni fucked around with this message at 00:46 on Aug 1, 2021 |
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It's one of the strange game decisions that sunk ships are subject to the fog of war but aircraft losses and points are omniscient. It would be interesting if all you saw was what your pilots or navy declared/observed
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Grumio posted:It's one of the strange game decisions that sunk ships are subject to the fog of war but aircraft losses and points are omniscient. It would be interesting if all you saw was what your pilots or navy declared/observed Don't think that'd be that interesting bc afaik irl those numbers had no relation whatsoever to actual reality Think with aircraft losses you'd have to somehow allow for claims and confirmed shootdowns, i.e. when the plane crashes where a grunt can walk up to it and kick it. Having no clear numbers on shootdowns, sinkings, AND points might be super frustrating for the player too. You'd basically ask them to spend years with zero idea what's actually going on, and a lot fewer opportunities to have a feeling of success.
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aphid_licker posted:The thing where you can sort of divine that something went down from the points and seagull losses is a really funny artifact of the mechanisms involved This is such weird design decision. It's not complicated from a programming standpoint to maintain three versions of the current stats and combat reports: Allies, Japan, and the truth. Especially since you can have all stats older than say 3 months be the truth - you only need to maintain the FOW histories for a short period of fixed length. The bulk of the work in this game is in the research, combat/logistics rules design, and balancing, the actual programming implementation is a rounding error to that. Maybe it's something that got cut.
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aphid_licker posted:Don't think that'd be that interesting bc afaik irl those numbers had no relation whatsoever to actual reality Ship sinking claims had little relation to reality either, and they at least make an effort to model that. It could add an interesting element to CV fights, did I really wipe out the enemy air component today like my guys claimed and I should pursue tomorrow, or could that leave me overextended if the enemy is in fact still up for a fight?
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SIGSEGV posted:You'd better hope so, a game like that starts with a couple turns a day and then slows to one a day, roughly, because keeping so many people in sync is really hard, so you get a day to think about things and one of those things is the game, so you think about it in the shower, you think about it in the subway, you think about it while peeling potatoes, and then, because it's high level play, and even more if everyone is documenting it in an AAR thread and you're getting involved in your success, you've got an audience after all, you figure out that you're going to see who built what first, based on score, and after doing that the first time, there's no harm in keeping on doing it, right? I've done this for Dominions 4 and for Yooper's CMANO let's plays, daily turn strategy games at a decent level are super engaging and if you let it into your brain you think about it every free moment you get. I even used a note app so that any time I have my phone I can jot note ideas, though thankfully that was not the only reason I had a note app.
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Well, July has been a bit more exciting. We’ve had solid progress in India, finally, and although July just missed the tail end of the battle of Fiji, and the bulk of our carriers have spent the month in port, we’ve had some excitement with another attempted raid by the RN and the last few days of the month hosted the Clusterfuck of the Coral Sea. At least we can now be reasonably sure we did get both battleships, which puts us ahead on points. Without West Virginia we’d be dangerously close to having lost so many planes as to actually be even on VP. Seaking of planes, let’s start with the full dump.           That’s a lot of different types of plane now, and it’s only going to get worse.  Now, India. Our progress in India is definitely last month’s triumph, we’ve broken the back of their resistance in Bengal and are gobbling up territory by the day. Whereas the entirety of June’s progress was to push the frontline 100 miles or less from the Meghna to the Brahmaputra, in July we have broken out decisively and pushed nearly to Patna, 400 miles away from our closest point this time last month. In addition to this we have now trapped at least one British and one Australian division in Eastern Bengal, with no hope of breakout or of managing to cross back and fight in Burma, and of course we have secured the surrender of what was quite possibly the bulk of the British modern armour in India. The big thorn in our side (literally pretty much) remains the Calcutta - Howrah - Jamshedpur salient, and he is being very stubborn about giving up these positions. However they cannot maintain that forever, surely. Once we’ve wrapped up around Tezpur we will have 7-8 division worth we can combine into a doomstack and just whack each hex down. Assuming he doesn’t accept the inevitable and disengage, that will surely be the effective end of resistance in India, baring massive intervention from the Americans. Bangalore of course is going to be another sore point, and following our new mobile strategy we are going to ignore it in favour of pushing for Hyderabad, and if that doesn’t get him to retreat from Bangalore we will just push on to Bombay. I hope there’s still some potential for the tanks to remain mobile in the south for another couple of weeks and force some more surrenders though. Also in the next few days we shall be landing the 17th in Burma. Currently they are unloaded from their troopships in Singapore and are unpacking into combat stance for loading on the amphibious ships. I hope to go straight for Pegu, securing the beach with paratroopers to allow unloading without planning, but in the unlikely event Pegu is heavily defended we shall just land at Tavoy and march north. There is a very good road along the coast so it won’t take long even if we are forced to do that.  Well, things are definitely heating up here. I had assumed the first blow would fall in the Solomons, and we are more or less ready for that I think with 200AV at Lunga, 100 at Tulagi and 85 at Rennell, however this paradrop at Onota suggests maybe Tabiteuea is the first target. I’m much less happy about that, Tabiteuea is far from any mutual support and has a garrison of only one ~battalion sized Naval Guard plus some engineers. Assuming he doesn’t preempt us, priority one when the Kido Butai returns is reinforcing Tabiteuea with at least a regiment, and maybe some AA if I can find it. Our other big plan for the month is Midway. We have the 40th division fully prepped for landing, and as soon as we are done with Bandoeng and they are available, I intend to take our whole fleet out to the Central Pacific and take Midway. We’ve seen a couple of times now just how devastating surface raiders can be, but at the moment we have no access to the rich hunting grounds between Hawaii and the Western USA, because search planes at Midway will spot anything we try to send through. I don’t intend to do anything with Midway other than fortify the poo poo out of it and maybe base some Emilies there, but the resulting hole in his search patterns should be very profitable for us.
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