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Oasx
Oct 11, 2006

Greetings from Asbury Park

Thanks for another great thread Looten Plunder, I really enjoy this yearly event.

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Looten Plunder
Jul 11, 2006


Grimey Drawer

So, as mentioned. I missed a ballot.

The major change, was that a once beloved show regained a place in the Top 30 (well deserved in my opinion). To ensure the show gets it's due. Please congratulate the new 23rd ranked entry.


23. Fargo (FX)
UP 49
26 Points, 5 Nominations, #1 spot 1 time


This means that everything below it got bumped 1 spot.

The other change was Legend of Tomorrow which moved up from #22 to #18 which mean 18-22 got bumped a spot as well.

Looten Plunder
Jul 11, 2006


Grimey Drawer

Here is a recap of the list
pre:
Points	Rank	Show (Network)
182	1	Better Call Saul (AMC)
156	2	The Mandalorian (Disney+)
127	3	What We Do in the Shadows (FX)
87	4	The Good Place (NBC)
81	5	The Boys (Amazon)
79	6	Ted Lasso (Apple TV+)
63	7	The Queen's Gambit (Netflix)
57	8	Lovecraft Country (HBO)
56	9	Dispatches From Elsewhere (AMC)
49	10	Harley Quinn (DC Universe)
48	11	Agents of SHIELD (ABC)
46	12	The Expanse (Syfy)
43	13	The Good Lord Bird (Showtime)
37	14	Bojack Horseman (Netflix)
34	15	How To With John Wilson (HBO)
33	16	Devs (FX)
33	16	Schitt's Creek (CBC)
32	18	Legends of Tomorrow (CW)
30	19	Avenue 5 (HBO)
30	19	The Crown (Netflix)
28	21	She-Ra and the Princesses of Power (Netflix)
27	22	Kipo and The Age of Wonderbeasts (Netflix)
26	23	Fargo (FX)
26	23	Taskmaster (Dave)
25	25	Upload (Amazon)
23	26	The Last Dance (Netflix)
21	27	Dark (Netflix)
21	27	Raised by Wolves (HBO Max)
21	27	The Owl House (Disney+)
20	30	Normal People (Hulu)
18	31	We Are Who We Are (HBO)
17	32	Hilda (Netflix)
17	32	Mrs. America (FX)
17	32	Perry Mason (HBO)
17	32	Primal (Adult Swim)
15	37	Extracurricular (Netflix)
15	37	Snowpiercer (TNT)
15	37	The Plot Against America (HBO)
14	40	The Great (Hulu)
14	40	The Magicians (Syfy)
13	42	American Dad (FOX)
13	42	Black Monday (Showtime)
13	42	Rick and Morty (Adult Swim)
12	45	Lucifer (FOX)
11	46	Brooklyn Nine-Nine (FOX)
11	46	Search Party (TBS)
10	48	Fishcenter Live (Adult Swim)
10	48	Gayme Show (Quibi)
10	48	Insecure (HBO)
10	48	Moonbase 8 (Showtime)
10	48	Star Trek Discovery (CBS All Access)
10	48	The Flight Attendant (HBO Max)
10	48	Westworld (HBO)
9	55	AEW Dynamite (TNT)
9	55	Carmen Sandiego (Netflix)
9	55	Chrissy's Court (Quibi)
9	55	Evil (CBS)
9	55	Gavin Webber (Web)
9	55	Hello Dracula (JTBC)
9	55	I May Destroy You (BBC One)
9	55	Industry (BBC Two)
9	55	Killing Eve (BBC America)
9	55	Rapunzel's Tangled Adventure (Netflix)
9	55	Stargirl (DC Universe)
9	55	Supermarket Sweep (ABC)
9	55	The Eric Andre Show (BBC Two)
9	55	The New Pope (Sky Atlantic)
8	70	50 States of Fright (Quibi)
8	70	AP Bio (NBC)
8	70	Gogglebox (Channel 4)
8	70	Inside the NBA (TNT)
8	70	Private Lives (Netflix)
8	70	RuPaul's Drag Race (Logo TV)
8	70	Solar Opposites (Hulu)
8	70	The Last Kingdom (Netflix)
8	70	The Vow (HBO)
8	70	The Wilds (Amazon)
7	80	Corporate (Comedy Central)
7	80	Deutschland '83 (Sundance)
7	80	Die Hart (Quibi)
7	80	Eons (PBS)
7	80	Hangout With Yoo (MBC)
7	80	Last Week Tonight (HBO)
7	80	Little Fires Everywhere (Hulu)
7	80	Strike Back (Cinemax)
7	80	Warrior (Cinemax)
6	89	Agua Donkeys (Quibi)
6	89	Canada's Drag Race (Crave)
6	89	Hawaii Five-O (CBS)
6	89	Hyena (SBS TV)
6	89	Monstrum (Web)
6	89	Saved By The Bell (Peacock)
5	95	All The Feels (Quibi)
5	95	Archer (FX)
5	95	Good Girl: Who Robbed the Station (Mnet)
5	95	I Am Not OK With This (Netflix)
5	95	Marvel's 616 (Disney+)
5	95	Rent-A-Girlfriend (Crunchyroll)
5	95	Survivor (CBS)
5	95	The Amazing Race (CBS)
5	95	The Haunting of Bly Manor (Netflix)
5	95	Tosh.0 (Comedy Central)
5	95	Vagrant Queen (Syfy)
4	106	A Toy Store Near You (Web)
4	106	Dimension 20 (Web)
4	106	Great Pretender (Fuji TV)
4	106	I Live Alone (MBC)
4	106	Kitchen Nightmares (Web)
4	106	Modern Family (ABC)
4	106	Neebs Gaming (Web)
4	106	Picco Picture Contest (Adult Swim)
4	106	P-Valley (Starz)
4	106	Star Trek: Lower Decks (CBS All Access)
4	106	The 100 (CW)
4	106	Vikings (History)
3	118	Adult Swim (Web)
3	118	Attack on Titan (Adult Swim)
3	118	Babylon Berlin (Sky 1 Germany)
3	118	Castlevania (Netflix)
3	118	Curb Your Enthusiasm (HBO)
3	118	Cursed (Netflix)
3	118	Dave (FX)
3	118	Emotional Camping (JTBC)
3	118	Jurassic World: Camp Cretaceous (Netflix)
3	118	Mad As Hell (ABC (Australia))
3	118	My Next Life as a Villainess: All Routes Lead to Doom (Tokyo MX)
3	118	Mythic Quest: Raven's Banquet (Apple TV+)
3	118	Ozark (Netflix)
3	118	Sound-field (Web)
2	132	Aunty Donna's Big ol' House of Fun (Netflix)
2	132	Cheer (Netflix)
2	132	Dead To Me (Netflix)
2	132	Ducktales (DisneyXD)
2	132	Future Man (Hulu)
2	132	House Hunters (HGTV)
2	132	It's Lit (Web)
2	132	Nature (PBS)
2	132	New Journey to the West (TvN)
2	132	Quinton Reviews (Web)
2	132	Record of Youth (Netflix)
2	132	The Blacklist (NBC)
2	132	The Circle (Netflix)
2	132	The Outpost (CW)
2	132	Tiger King (Netflix)
2	132	Truth Seekers (Amazon)
2	132	Wynonna Earp (Syfy)
2	132	Yellowstone (Paramount)
1	150	Animaniacs (Hulu)
1	150	Arrow (CW)
1	150	Bluey (ABC (Australia))
1	150	Briarpatch (USA)
1	150	Dark Side of the Ring (VICE)
1	150	Kingdom (Audience)
1	150	Motherland Fort Salem (Freeform)
1	150	Picard (CBS All Access)
1	150	Ramy (Hulu)
1	150	The Chilling Adventures of Sabrina (Netflix)
1	150	Umbrella Academy (Netflix)

Looten Plunder
Jul 11, 2006


Grimey Drawer

Here is how the networks compared
pre:
Rank	Network		Points	Shows
1	Netflix		331	27
2	AMC		238	2
3	FX		211	6
4	HBO		209	11
5	Disney+		182	3
6	Amazon		116	4
7	NBC		106	4
8	Apple TV+	82	2
9	Syfy		67	4
10	Showtime	66	3
11	ABC		61	3
12	DC Universe	58	2
13	Hulu		53	7
14	Adult Swim	47	5
15	Quibi		45	6
16	Web		41	10
18	FOX		36	3
19	CBC		33	1
20	TNT		32	3
17	CW		39	4
22	Dave		26	1
21	HBO Max		31	2
23	Sky Atlantic	25	2
23	CBS		25	4
25	BBC Two		18	2
26	CBS All Access	15	3
27	Cinemax		14	2
28	JTBC		12	2
28	Comedy Central	12	2
30	TBS		11	1
30	MBC		11	2
32	BBC One		9	1
32	BBC America	9	1
32	PBS		9	2
35	Channel 4	8	1
35	Logo TV		8	1
37	Sundance	7	1
38	Crave		6	1
38	SBS TV		6	1
38	Peacock		6	1
41	Mnet		5	1
41	Crunchyroll	5	1
43	Fuji TV		4	1
43	Starz		4	1
43	History		4	1
43	ABC (Australia)	4	2
47	Sky 1 Germany	3	1
47	Tokyo MX	3	1
49	DisneyXD	2	1
49	HGTV		2	1
49	TvN		2	1
49	Paramount	2	1
53	USA		1	1
53	VICE		1	1
53	Audience	1	1
53	Freeform	1	1

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?


Yay Fargo!

Bulky Bartokomous
Nov 3, 2006

In Mypos, only the strong survive.



This is the best. Thanks so much for putting it together and everyone who voted!

Eugene V. Dubstep
Oct 4, 2013


Please include the full, correct title of All the Feels by the Dodo, the show that is just as good as Archer.

nate fisher
Mar 3, 2004

We've Got To Go Back


Thank you Looten Plunder. I shouldn't be surprised, but I still am that The Mandalorian got so high on the list. Plus I thought Ted Lasso would be slightly higher, and The Crown has dropped in viewers it seems despite another great season (switch it with The Mandalorian and I would agree with this list a lot more). That said the people have spoken, so be it. I did end up with 4 shows in the final top 10, while my number 1 (We Are Who We Are) finished at 31. I think that is my second worst showing for my number 1 pick outside of the year I picked Terrace House as top show.

Shneak
Mar 6, 2015

"Doctor, listen to me and listen to me closely.
You're gonna witness all the days..."




Thanks for hosting this Looten Plunder. I really need to watch WWDITS.

Something Else
Dec 27, 2004


Thank you Looten Plunder, great job

bou
Aug 3, 2006



Fantastic rundown. Thanks, Looten!

esperterra
Mar 24, 2010

SHINee's back






Thanks again, Looten! I'll be keeping the thread stickied for a couple more weeks.

Rick
Feb 23, 2004
And now the whole nation - pulpit and all - will take up the war-cry, and shout itself hoarse, and mob any honest man who ventures to open his mouth; and presently such mouths will cease to open.

I know these sorts of things are difficult, thank you for doing the work.

cant cook creole bream
Aug 15, 2011
I think Fahrenheit is better for weather

One day I might give that Saul show a chance.

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?


cant cook creole bream posted:

One day I might give that Saul show a chance.

Next season is the last and given the COVID timing it might be a little bit before it comes out, so you have time to get caught up and then be mad like the rest of us that Rhea Seehorn doesn't have an Emmy!

Escobarbarian
Jun 18, 2004




Grimey Drawer

Question: is refusing to watch Saul because “I’m done with that universe” a good enough reason to remove a TV forum mod

asking for a friend

Looten Plunder
Jul 11, 2006


Grimey Drawer

Interesting Tidbits:
  • There were 45 respondents this year, which is the highest since 2016.
  • The decentralization of TV viewing is truly in effect and network execs have every right to be making GBS threads themselves. This year saw 161 unique shows nominated which is the highest in TVIV Poll history.
  • Further proving the point, these 161 shows were across 53 different networks/channels/services. This is 10 more than 2019 and tied with 2017 for the most unique networks ever.
  • Perhaps due to the pandemic, perhaps due to the end of the Golden Era of television, 58% (94) of the shows in this years list were new entries. This isn't just a case of people picking lots of random obscure shows at the bottom of their lists either as the percentage only drops to 50% when just considering the Top 30.
  • Netflix accounted for 16% of the shows on the list and 13% of of the total votes. Whilst this is impressive, other streaming services have definitly picked up their game and Netflix is definitly losing it's stranglehold. For comparison, in 2019 Netflix had 26% of the shows and 22% of the total votes
  • Despite The Walking Dead being largely irrelevant on these forums now and the glory years of Mad Men and Breaking Bad well behind them, AMC somehow still garnered the 2nd most votes with 238. This is even more impressive given the fact it was just two shows that contributed to this number.
  • FX continues to pump out quality TV with 6 shows making the list and getting the 3rd most number of votes (211)
  • Netflix might have quantity, but HBO still has Quality. Despite awesome shows like High Maintenance and Insecure, that Hugh Grant/Nicole Kidman show that generated a fair bit of buzz and lot of solid to awesome documentaries barely registering on this years poll (if at all) they still had 11 shows make the list (most outside of Netflix) and 209 votes (4th most)

Looten Plunder
Jul 11, 2006


Grimey Drawer

2021 Plans

I've got big plans this year. In addition to next years poll going ahead as normal I want to try something else as well. Inspired by all the "best of the decade" lists last year, I want to try a Best TV shows of the TVIV era as next year will mark the 10th Annual Poll.

I'm thinking of launching this and accepting ballots earlier in the year (about July) in an attempt to get solid uptake and because i'll be extending the nominations out to 20 instead of 10 (10 will be mandatory, anything up to 20 will be optional).

The results of this can be shared in December and the results of the 2020 poll will be done in January as normal.

esperterra
Mar 24, 2010

SHINee's back






Looten Plunder posted:

2021 Plans

I've got big plans this year. In addition to next years poll going ahead as normal I want to try something else as well. Inspired by all the "best of the decade" lists last year, I want to try a Best TV shows of the TVIV era as next year will mark the 10th Annual Poll.

I'm thinking of launching this and accepting ballots earlier in the year (about July) in an attempt to get solid uptake and because i'll be extending the nominations out to 20 instead of 10 (10 will be mandatory, anything up to 20 will be optional).

The results of this can be shared in December and the results of the 2020 poll will be done in January as normal.

I dig it!

Inspector 34
Mar 9, 2009
DOES NOT RESPECT THE RUN

BUT THEY WILL



Oh man, that is an awesome idea!

This year was the first I participated in the annual poll, and even then it was just because it sounded like entries were sparse at the time. But it does instill a bit more investment in the final results and I've been kicking myself for not ranking some shows higher just to see them do better in the overall results.

I'm going to start thinking about where my decade rankings might fall but I have no idea what will qualify or what I even watched within the acceptable window. I look forward to you launching the thread with more details! You're going to make me rewatch a dozen series and I thank you for that since it seems like slim pickin's on new shows (that seem interesting to me) lately.

Looten Plunder
Jul 11, 2006


Grimey Drawer

Inspector 34 posted:

I have no idea what will qualify or what I even watched within the acceptable window.

It's anything that aired in 2012 onwards.

For, the top 25 in the first poll was:
Breaking Bad
Parks and Recreation
Game of Thrones
Mad Men
Community
Homeland
Louie
Boardwalk Empire
Justified
Archer
Happy Endings
Sherlock
New Girl
It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia
Sex House
Bob's Burgers
The League
Psych
American Horror Story
The Walking Dead
Person of Interest
Don't Trust the B in Apt 23
Fringe
Adventure Time
Shameless

But yeah, stay tuned for more details in a few months.

Lurdiak
Feb 25, 2006

I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people that do.




Thank you for organizing this, it's always a lot of fun. I'm intrigued to try some of these shows I've never heard of, although I do wish Bojack had been able to crack the top 10 one last time on its way out.


More like Shitlock

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?


I remember when I would devour anything Louis CK did

VinylonUnderground
Dec 14, 2020
Probation
Can't post for 24 hours!


Thanks everybody for Harley. It is a show that did and would have completely slipped under my radar. I'm loving it!

Less gay than I was expecting but despite my normal reservations I'm really enjoying Ivy X Kiteman.

Bulky Bartokomous
Nov 3, 2006

In Mypos, only the strong survive.



This thread inspired me to watch Ted Lasso and 5 minutes into the first episode I was all in. Who would've thought a show based on a commercial for NBC sports could be this much fun.

EL BROMANCE
Jun 10, 2006

COWABUNGA DUDES!



If you like it after 5 minutes, you’ll love it after 5 episodes.

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Bulky Bartokomous
Nov 3, 2006

In Mypos, only the strong survive.



Okay, I get it now. The fuss about Ted Lasso. Thank you TVIV Poll!

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