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infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

lol

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infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.
l ron musk is already talking poo poo

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1341485211209637889

infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

fart simpson posted:

the bridge is collapsing behind you and you need to speed up to get off the bridge before the collapsing part catches up to you

you're in a michael bay movie and you're already doomed

infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.
i don't think it's the cars he's amazed by

infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.
maybe a modern day ford nucleon, just to keep things interesting

infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.
even if you discount tesla, and you should, because they're the absolute worst out of anyone who even pretends to have autonomous features, the state of the art is failing to make unprotected left hand turns in perfect conditions in no weather whatsoever on roads you have mm precision lidar maps of.

no one is anywhere near actual autonomy. the serious players who have been dumping tens of millions into it for the last decade are still only capable of driving in entirely optimal scenarios where nothing unexpected happens and they have extensive mapping data, and even then interacting with actual traffic is questionable. this isn't a "more data" scenario that's going to be solved by just having cars drive circles around a phoenix suburb for another five years.

by comparison, tesla's "autonomy" is a child's toy. it's cruise control and lane keeping connected to a gps and a couple webcams, being allowed to control a one and a half ton vehicle. this also is not something that's going to be solved by having idiots plow into highway gores and firetrucks for the next decade because their model has the intelligence of a fruit fly, and failing to accurately identify objects is only the beginning of their troubles.

infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

jre posted:

I think the trap people fall into is that computer vision and classifiers are pretty amazing now compared to 10-15 years ago.
but it's not obvious that they probably aren't the tools we need to solve this problem.

i'd say they're necessary tools, but they aren't the only necessary tools. driving is an inherently social activity that requires a lot of contextual knowledge to understand and anticipate the environment and drivers around you, and i don't know that we have the ability to quantify that and codify it into a ruleset for a machine

everything we've done so far is hacky abstractions that can certainly look like driving in the right scenarios, the problem is that people forget that and think it means a computer can drive

infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.
sure, but if you have that level of state control, you'd probably just build more public transit

it's a problem that you will never need to solve assuming you are capable of solving it.

infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.
teslas have (and have had) better cooling than the older leafs. iirc the leaf was air-cooled only for quite a while and the range degradation is pretty noticeable after a few years

infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.
no, they're still built terribly, from shoddy parts, in a tent.

they do have active battery cooling though. it's also hosed on the latest model 3s and the model y, but it's not blowing a fan at the battery and thinking cold thoughts like the leaf was

both the nissan and the vw would still be much better choices, being built by actual car companies, out of actual car parts, and having features like working door handles

infernal machines fucked around with this message at 03:46 on Jan 5, 2021

infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.
buddy, do you know how cheap it is to make kids?

infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.
i mean, it would suck, but where do you think utility scale liquid metal batteries are going to be found?

infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.
by making electricity in a big power generation station so that you can plug in your car into the wall at home and charge it.

infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.
yeah. but probably with, like, a fence around them or something. you know, so you won't get it in your hair.

infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

Sagebrush posted:

carpet 2/3 of Nevada with solar cells

can you think of a better use for nevada?

infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.
racist or not, it's filled with the kind of people who go to burning man

still, that's a few acres at most, there's still the entire rest of the state

infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.
noted vehicle oem foxconn

infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.
it's not that i don't think they can do it, i just have doubts about their quality and production abilities, at least initially, compared to oems that have been doing this stuff for deacdes

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infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.
any time my business partner's hyundai falls back to the native UI for whatever reason it's mind boggling how bad it is. it's like interface design stopped in 2009 or something

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