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Edward Mass
Sep 14, 2011

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Good country music from Amarillo and Abilene
Friendliest people and the prettiest women you've ever seen
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I've always wanted to do that

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l15eSAmoDEc

How are you this fine Christmas Day? It's fine, I guess. There's a new episode of Doctor Who coming on New Year's Day, and then we have to wait for them to finish the next season. We're lucky to be getting ANY new Doctor Who, given the pandemic, so I'm not mad they're only making eight episodes (as opposed to the Chibnall-standard 11).

When we last left our hero, she was trapped in a prison that looks an AWFUL BIT like Shada, while Yaz, Ryan, and Graham are back in Sheffield. What now? Well, if the episode title gives any indication, there will be Daleks. Also, Captain Jack Harkness will appear in the special, hopefully actually meeting the Doctor for the first time in over a decade. Maybe this episode will explain things about last season and have them make sense, but I doubt it.

The previous thread can be found here. Now for the formalities.

NO SPOILERS gently caress it, I don't know what we do about spoilers now
We have a designated spoiler thread, but under Chibnall the amount of spoilers have dried like the lake in that one episode. Use your best judgement. Episode titles can be spoiler-y, so use discretion when discussing episodes yet to air. For example, 'Hide' doesn't spoil anything, but 'OH poo poo IT'S THE DALEKS' does.

WHERE DO I START?
The Woman Who Fell to Earth is a good starting point, as the current Doctor makes her first starring appearence there alongside her current companions. This is not to discount Doctors 9-12, but so far their stories have not made a major point in the tenure of Whittaker's Doctor. If you want to watch the original series, there are plenty of places to start. You COULD start with An Unearthly Child and watch everything in chronological order. You could also watch individual serials of all the Doctors and determine which you like the best. Keep in mind, don't shotgun a whole Hartnell or Troughton in one go, or else you'll get complacent. Those 60's episodes are meant to be seen one at a time, and if you only just rented the DVD, wait a few hours between episodes.

The most popular serials for the original series you can jump into are:

First Doctor: An Unearthly Child, The Aztecs
Second Doctor: The Tomb of the Cybermen, The Enemy of the World
Third Doctor: Spearhead from Space, Carnival of Monsters
Fourth Doctor: Pyramids of Mars, The Robots of Death
Fifth Doctor: Kinda, Frontios
Sixth Doctor: Vengeance on Varos, Revelation of the Daleks
Seventh Doctor: Dragonfire, Remembrance of the Daleks

WHERE CAN I WATCH DOCTOR WHO?
BritBox is the place to watch almost every episode of the original series. In addition, you're in luck if you're an American, as you can watch the original run of Doctor Who on honest-to-goodness TV (Retro TV and some PBS stations)!

For the current run:

ON TELEVISION
UK - BBC One (first run), W
USA - BBC America (first run), most PBS stations
Canada - CTV Sci-Fi
Australia - ABC (first run), ABC ME, Syfy

STREAMING
UK - BBC iPlayer, Sky Go
USA - HBO Max
Canada - Crave
Australia - Stan, Prime Video

SHOULD I BUY THE DVDs AND BLU-RAYs?
Just for the bonus features alone.

THE NOT-AT-ALL BRIEF GUIDE TO BIG FINISH
There are literally thousands of Doctor Who and Doctor Who-related audio dramas released by Big Finish Productions. This is not a post telling you what audio dramas to listen to, because everyone has an opinion that is different from everyone else (some people like Minuet in Hell, believe it or not). This is a post telling you the basic info on the different series of titles there are. I'm only covering ongoing ranges, since devoting a paragraph to the Stage Plays seems a bit silly. If you're wondering why I'm about to spend a good portion of the OP about audio dramas, you are clearly new to the Doctor Who thread.

The Monthly Adventures
Since 1999, Big Finish have released, on a consistent basis, mostly standalone stories featuring the Fifth, Sixth, and Seventh (formerly including Eighth) Doctors. Ending this March after 275 releases.

The Fourth Doctor Adventures
Tom Baker gets his own line of releases.

The Eighth Doctor Adventures / Dark Eyes / Doom Coalition / The Eighth Doctor - The Time War / Ravenous / Stranded
Paul McGann's Doctor also gets his own line. Goons love 'em.

The Tenth Doctor Adventures
David Tennant reprises his role in mini-seasons every chance he can get, and the results are very RTD-like. In a good way!

The Companion Chronicles / The Early Adventures
This is important: SOME OF THESE ARE NOT AUDIO DRAMAS. These are "enhanced audiobooks" for the most part, which means that one person does all the parts while another gives narration, but also contains sound effects and music cues. The Companion Chronicles originally were one-handers, but now may contain small casts, which the Early Adventure always have.

The Ones with Fake Doctors
The First Doctor Adventures, the Third Doctor Adventures, and the Ninth/Tenth/Eleventh/Twelveth Doctor Chronicles feature people who are not the original actors playing the roles of the title Doctor. If you're OK with that, by all means give them a try.

Spinoffs
There are a ton of these, ranging from good (I, Davros) to who gives a poo poo (anything involving a companion from the audio series).

THE DISCORD
Here it is. The future is now!

FINALLY, let's take a look back....all the way to ten years ago! Behold, dramatic irony!

Detective No. 27 posted:

I don't mind River Song. I just kinda hope we don't get an explanation of her. She's better all mysterious.

SMASHCUT TO SEASON 32

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The_Doctor
Mar 29, 2007

"The entire history of this incarnation is one of temporal orbits, retcons, paradoxes, parallel time lines, reiterations, and divergences. How anyone can make head or tail of all this chaos, I don't know."
You've redecorated! ...I love it.

Vinylshadow
Mar 20, 2017

Oh, the round things! I always loved the round things.

Bicyclops
Aug 27, 2004

A merry Christmas to all of you at home.

Bilirubin
Feb 16, 2014

The sanctioned action is to CHUG


Vinylshadow posted:

Oh, the round things! I always loved the round things.

What are the round things?

Rhyno
Mar 22, 2003
Probation
Can't post for 10 years!
I have to be honest, i have extremely low expectations for the special.

Vinylshadow
Mar 20, 2017

Bilirubin posted:

What are the round things?

No idea.


Rhyno posted:

I have to be honest, i have extremely low expectations for the special.

Not a bad mindset to have - that way you're not disappointed if it's mediocre, and if it's good, you can be pleasantly surprised

TinTower
Apr 21, 2010

You don't have to 8e a good person to 8e a hero.
Just gonna continue my gushing over the best Christmas special here. :D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ga6CwyKvr8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgVJDd5vHfw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmtdzQyqpnM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJqE2onQUSk

"I hate you."
"No, you don't."

jivjov
Sep 13, 2007

But how does it taste? Yummy!
Dinosaur Gum
Wonderful new thread, all of them.

Flight Bisque
Feb 23, 2008

There is, surprisingly, always hope.
I say, what a wonderful OP, it's so violent!

The_Doctor
Mar 29, 2007

"The entire history of this incarnation is one of temporal orbits, retcons, paradoxes, parallel time lines, reiterations, and divergences. How anyone can make head or tail of all this chaos, I don't know."
Edit: nvm

The_Doctor fucked around with this message at 22:26 on Dec 25, 2020

Homora Gaykemi
Apr 30, 2020

by Fluffdaddy

God I loved that episode

Vinylshadow
Mar 20, 2017

"I've always wanted to see that done properly."
:allears:
What fourth wall?

The_Doctor
Mar 29, 2007

"The entire history of this incarnation is one of temporal orbits, retcons, paradoxes, parallel time lines, reiterations, and divergences. How anyone can make head or tail of all this chaos, I don't know."

Vinylshadow posted:

"I've always wanted to see that done properly."
:allears:
What fourth wall?

Narsham
Jun 5, 2008
COLBY: Did you say that about twelve million years ago, on a nameless planet which no longer exists, evolution went up a blind alley?
DOCTOR: Yes.
COLBY: Natural selection turned back on itself and a creature evolved which prospered by absorbing the energy wavelengths of life itself?
DOCTOR: Mmm.
COLBY: It ate life? All life, including that of its own kind?
DOCTOR: Yes. In other words, the Something Awful Doctor Who thread.

KELNER: They're just human.
DOCTOR: Mmm. Disappointing, aren't they. Nice to see you again.

Creature
Mar 9, 2009

We've already seen a dead horse
If anyone else is in Finland, the NY special will be broadcast on YLE TV2 at 22.30, New Year’s Day.

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?

One year we're going to have more new threads for this show than actual episodes of the show :ohdear:

Edit: Also, as always, shameless self-advertising: An index of the write-ups I've done for all the Revival Episodes so far, as well as the (distressingly large number) of Big Finish Audios I've listened to so far.

Be warned that most of the television write-ups feature a number of spoilers for future episodes as well, as they were all written months or years after I saw them on original airing. Audio write-ups may also feature references to episodes of the show, both classic and revival.

Television
8th Doctor - TV Movie: The Enemy Within | The Night of the Doctor
War Doctor - The Day of the Doctor
9th Doctor - Rose | The End of the World | The Unquiet Dead | Aliens of London/World War 3 | Dalek | The Long Game | Father's Day | The Empty Child/The Doctor Dances | Boom Town | Bad Wolf | The Parting of the Ways
10th Doctor - The Christmas Invasion | New Earth | Tooth and Claw | School Reunion | The Girl in the Fireplace | Rise of the Cybermen/The Age of Steel | The Idiot's Lantern | The Impossible Planet/The Satan Pit | Love and Monsters | Fear Her | Army of Ghosts | Doomsday | The Runaway Bride | Smith & Jones | The Shakespeare Code | Gridlock | Daleks in Manhattan/Evolution of the Daleks | The Lazarus Experiment | 42 | Human Nature/The Family of Blood | Blink | Utopia | The Sound of Drums | The Last of the Time Lords | Time Crash | Voyage of the Damned | Partners in Crime | The Fires of Pompeii | Planet of the Ood | The Sontaran Stratagem/The Poison Sky | The Doctor's Daughter | The Unicorn and the Wasp | Silence in the Library/Forest of the Dead | Midnight | Turn Left | The Stolen Earth/Journey's End | The Next Doctor | Planet of the Dead | Waters of Mars | The End of Time
11th Doctor - The Eleventh Hour | The Beast Below | Victory of the Daleks | Time of Angels/Flesh & Stone | The Vampires of Venice | Amy's Choice | The Hungry Earth/Cold Blood | Vincent and the Doctor | The Lodger | The Pandorica Opens | The Big Bang | A Christmas Carol | The Impossible Astronaut/Day of the Moon | The Curse of the Black Spot | The Doctor's Wife | The Rebel Flesh/The Almost People | A Good Man Goes To War | Let's Kill Hitler | Night Terrors | The Girl Who Waited | The God Complex | Closing Time | The Wedding of River Song | The Doctor, The Widow & The Wardrobe | Asylum of the Daleks | Dinosaurs on a Spaceship | A Town Called Mercy | The Power of Three | The Angels Take Manhattan | The Snowmen | The Bells of Saint John | The Rings of Akhaten | Cold War | Hide | Journey to the Centre of the TARDIS | The Crimson Horror | Nightmare in Silver | The Name of the Doctor | The Day of the Doctor | The Time of the Doctor
12th Doctor - Deep Breath | Into the Dalek | Robot of Sherwood | Listen | Time Heist | The Caretaker | Kill the Moon | Mummy on the Orient Express | Flatline | In the Forest of the Night | Dark Water | Death in Heaven | Last Christmas | The Magician's Apprentice | The Witch's Familiar | Under the Lake/Before the Flood | The Girl Who Died | The Woman Who Lived | The Zygon Invasion | The Zygon Inversion | Sleep No More | Face the Raven | Heaven Sent | Hell Bent | The Husbands of River Song |The Return of Doctor Mysterio | The Pilot | Smile | Thin Ice | Knock Knock | Oxygen | Extremis | The Pyramid at the End of the World | The Lie of the Land | Empress of Mars | The Eaters of Light | World Enough and Time | The Doctor Falls | Twice Upon A Time
13th Doctor - The Woman Who Fell to Earth | The Ghost Monument | Rosa | Arachnids in the UK | The Tsuranga Conundrum | Demons of the Punjab | Kerblam! | The Witchfinders | It Takes You Away | The Battle of Ranskoor Av Kolos | Resolution | Spyfall Part 1/Part 2 | Orphan 55 | Nikola Tesla's Night of Terror | Fugitive of the Judoon | Praxeus | Can You Hear Me? | The Haunting of Villa Diodati | Ascension of the Cybermen | The Timeless Children


Television Gifs
William Hartnell | Patrick Troughton | Jon Pertwee | Tom Baker | Peter Davison | Colin Baker | Sylvester McCoy | Paul McGann | Christopher Eccleston | David Tennant | Matt Smith | Peter Capaldi | Jodie Whittaker

Audios
4th Doctor Adventures - Season One
5th Doctor - Phantasmagoria | The Land of the Dead | Red Dawn | Winter for the Adept | The Mutant Phase | Loup-Garoux/The Eye of the Scorpion | Primeval | The Church and the Crown | Nekromanteia | Creatures of Beauty | Omega | The Axis of Insanity | The Roof of the World | The Game | Three's a Crowd | The Council of Nicaea | Singularity | The Kingmaker | The Gathering/The Veiled Leopard | Circular Time | Renaissance of the Daleks | Exotron | Son of the Dragon | The Mind's Eye | The Bride of Peladon | The Haunting of Thomas Brewster | The Boy That Time Forgot | Time Reef | The Judgement of Isskar | The Destroyer of Delights | The Chaos Pool | Castle of Fear | The Eternal Summer | Plague of the Daleks
6th Doctor - Whispers of Terror | The Marian Conspiracy | The Spectre of Lanyon Moor | The Apocalypse Element | The Holy Terror | Bloodtide | Project: Twilight | The One Doctor | ...ish | The Sandman | Jubilee | Doctor Who and the Pirates | Project: Lazarus | Davros | The Wormery | Arrangements for War | Medicinal Purposes | The Juggernauts | Catch-1782 | Thicker Than Water | Pier Pressure | The Nowhere Place | The Reaping | Year of the Pig | I.D | The Wishing Beast | 100 | The Condemned | Assassin in the Limelight | The Doomwood Curse | Brotherhood of the Daleks | Return of the Krotons | The Raincloud Man | Patient Zero | Paper Cuts | Blue Forgotten Planet
7th Doctor - The Fearmonger | The Genocide Machine | The Fires of Vulcan | The Shadow of the Scourge | Dust Breeding | Colditz | The Rapture | Bang-Bang-a-Boom! | The Dark Flame | Project: Lazarus | Flip-Flop | Master | The Harvest | Dreamtime | Unregenerate! | Live 34 | Night Thoughts | The Settling | Red | No Man's Land | Nocturne | Valhalla | Frozen Time | The Dark Husband | The Death Collectors | Kingdom of Silver | Forty-Five | The Magic Mousetrap | Enemy of the Daleks | The Angel of Scutari | A Thousand Tiny Wings
8th Doctor - Storm Warning | Sword of Orion | The Stones of Venice | Minuet in Hell | Invaders from Mars | The Chimes of Midnight | Seasons of Fear | Embrace the Darkness | The Time of the Daleks | Neverland | Zagreus | Scherzo/The Creed of Kromon | The Natural History of Fear | The Twilight Kingdom Faithstealer/The Last/Caerdroia/The Next Life | Terror Firma | Scaredy Cat | Other Lives | Time Works | Something Inside | Memory Lane | Absolution | The Girl Who Never Was | The Company of Friends
8th Doctor Adventures Blood of the Daleks | The Horror of Glam Rock | Immortal Beloved | Phobos | No More Lies | Human Resources | Dead London | Max Warp | Brave New Town | The Skull of Sobek | Grand Theft Cosmos | The Zygon Who Fell to Earth | Sisters of the Flame | The Vengeance of Morbius | Orbis | The Hothouse | The Beast of Orlok | Wirrn Dawn | The Scapegoat | The Cannibalists | The Eight Truths | Worldwide Web | Death in Blackpool | (Bonus) An Earthly Child | Situation Vacant | Nevermore | The Book of Kells | Deimos/The Resurrection of Mars | Relative Dimensions | Prisoner of the Sun | Lucie Miller/To The Death | Dark Eyes 1
The War Doctor - Only the Monstrous | Infernal Devices | Agents of Chaos | Casualties of War
10th Doctor Adventures - Volume 1 | Volume 2
Big Finish Specials - The Sirens of Time | The Light at the End | UNIT: Dominion | UNIT: Extinction | UNIT: Shutdown | UNIT: Silenced | UNIT: Assembled | UNIT: Encounters | The Diary of River Song Volume 1 | The Diary of River Song Volume 2 | Classic Doctors, New Monsters: Volume 1 | Classic Doctors, New Monsters: Volume 2 | The War Master Volume One

Jerusalem fucked around with this message at 00:50 on Dec 29, 2020

Vinylshadow
Mar 20, 2017

Jerusalem posted:

One year we're going to have more new threads for this show than actual episodes of the show :ohdear:

Time to start naming them after the audios and novels!

York_M_Chan
Sep 11, 2003

Santa, I haven't heard from you and I just found out my mailman has been delivering some of my packages to the wrong house. Since my neighbors won't see my name on the box, I'm worried they won't have known it was for me.

CobiWann
Oct 21, 2009

Have fun!
Blimey, I'm a new thread? And still not ginger!

Uhhlive
Jun 18, 2004

I'm not the public.
I'm the President
It's smaller on the outside!

York_M_Chan
Sep 11, 2003

Dinosaurs On A Spaceship is on now on the BBC America marathon. I forgot Chibnall wrote this one. It is so much fun, it's weird that's exactly what I feel is missing from Chibnall's time as showrunner.

DoctorWhat
Nov 18, 2011

A little privacy, please?
https://twitter.com/bigfinish/status/1343290218603032576?s=19

Philip Martin has passed away.

Bicyclops
Aug 27, 2004

Ah. Well he... Uh, you know he was, um. Sometimes the less said...? Anyway, goodbye Philip.

Homora Gaykemi
Apr 30, 2020

by Fluffdaddy

Bicyclops posted:

Ah. Well he... Uh, you know he was, um. Sometimes the less said...? Anyway, goodbye Philip.

he did write what many say is a classic

OldMemes
Sep 5, 2011

I have to go now. My planet needs me.
So judging from the OP, is the Charlotte Pollard spin-off series generally not considered to be good by fans?

jivjov
Sep 13, 2007

But how does it taste? Yummy!
Dinosaur Gum

OldMemes posted:

So judging from the OP, is the Charlotte Pollard spin-off series generally not considered to be good by fans?

I enjoyed it, but I think I'm in the minority.

Open Source Idiom
Jan 4, 2013

OldMemes posted:

So judging from the OP, is the Charlotte Pollard spin-off series generally not considered to be good by fans?

That part of the OP needs to be updated.

It's fine, though the second season is better than the first.

marktheando
Nov 4, 2006

I've hit new-Who in my rewatch. The olympics ending of Fear Her is still amazingly terrible.

TinTower
Apr 21, 2010

You don't have to 8e a good person to 8e a hero.
I hope Huw Edwards got paid handsomely for that embarrassment of a commentary.

Bicyclops
Aug 27, 2004

I did a double take when I saw "Tom Baker" listed in the writing credits for Death to 2020 (not on par with Brooker's other work IMO, it went fishing for jokes a little too often), but alas, the writer is not the Doctor, just a producer who managed to snag a writing credit in a few of his productions.

Mooseontheloose
May 13, 2003

York_M_Chan posted:

Dinosaurs On A Spaceship is on now on the BBC America marathon. I forgot Chibnall wrote this one. It is so much fun, it's weird that's exactly what I feel is missing from Chibnall's time as showrunner.

Chinball's run to me suffers from a lack of focus? Like the themes and episode seem to be everywhere. I generally liked his first season but that 2nd season landed with a thud to me because it petered out with none of the ideas landing anywhere. I also don't like the generally way his episodes are directed/shot. It feels like a step back in term of action, like too dark, too gray?

Still, the first Capaldi season was still I think the "worst" of the bunch.

OgNar
Oct 26, 2002

They tapdance not, neither do they fart
Skipping around watching different episodes.

This guys face always creeped me out so much.



It somehow never changed.

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?

Harry Lloyd! He's really good, he also played a villain in the first season of Game of Thrones and was very good in that too.

Lotus Aura
Aug 16, 2009

KNEEL BEFORE THE WICKED KING!
I've been rewatching some of my favourite episodes recently, and I swear he never blinks at all after becoming Son of Mine. It's the most offputting thing about a performance that's chock full of 'em. It's creepy as heck and I love it.

marktheando
Nov 4, 2006

Oh hey, I've just reached Human Nature/Family of Blood in my rewatch. That three episode stretch including Utopia is so loving good. It's just a shame it was followed up by some of the worst most stupid poo poo ever seen in this programme.

John Simms' Master has grown on me over the years, and there are scenes in Sound of Drums/Last of the Timelords I love, but the Doctor turning into a goblin until everyone prays to him is still incredibly stupid and bad. What the gently caress were you thinking RTD?

Open Source Idiom
Jan 4, 2013

marktheando posted:

Oh hey, I've just reached Human Nature/Family of Blood in my rewatch. That three episode stretch including Utopia is so loving good. It's just a shame it was followed up by some of the worst most stupid poo poo ever seen in this programme.

*nods sagely*

the moffat era

marktheando
Nov 4, 2006

Open Source Idiom posted:

*nods sagely*

the moffat era

Oh you. Moffat was really good in series 5 and also the one with Bill in it

Mooseontheloose
May 13, 2003

marktheando posted:

Oh hey, I've just reached Human Nature/Family of Blood in my rewatch. That three episode stretch including Utopia is so loving good. It's just a shame it was followed up by some of the worst most stupid poo poo ever seen in this programme.

John Simms' Master has grown on me over the years, and there are scenes in Sound of Drums/Last of the Timelords I love, but the Doctor turning into a goblin until everyone prays to him is still incredibly stupid and bad. What the gently caress were you thinking RTD?

They could of done so much better by Martha in that finale.

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Flight Bisque
Feb 23, 2008

There is, surprisingly, always hope.

Jerusalem posted:

Harry Lloyd! He's really good, he also played a villain in the first season of Game of Thrones and was very good in that too.

His role in Game of Thrones was... a crowning achievement.

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