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got off on a technicality posted:I’d like to find out more about EVE spreadsheets and whatever the hell it is you all are needing to track on there. Can someone provide some common examples please Back when I was playing, I took over the "newbie salvage buy" programme Theta running (by simply asking if I can do it when it was on the table) and it had an early Google docs excel sheet that parsed salvage prices from Jita (main trade hub) and adjusted it based on changes. I entered the amount of salvage there, it gave me a lump sum to pay out minus projected cost of paying for haulage of the said materials. When people say that it's a second job, they are not kidding but I liked it because it allowed me to "socialise" and be engaged because I despise the combat of that game but amazed by it's industry and economy. There are also actual spreadsheets in game market, with price history data, buy/sell orders, detailed transport logistics contracts. If you are selling, let's say, minerals in bulk you have to check what's the lowest price pubbies are selling for in your current and general constellation and what is the supply (someone might undercut others but do they have enough of that). Hell, any activity you can think of either uses in game spreadsheets or requires the use of one. I'm sure there are much complex ones these days.
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Wasn't there one time when GOONS cornered the market on a certain mineral, then went on a rampage in Highsec suicide-ganking ships that required a lot of that mineral to build and made a net profit from the sudden surge in demand?
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There were multiple instances of that for different materials. I remember the magnate over Technetium (?) which was mined from moons and used in Tech 2 ship production. The way CCP distributed these moongoo was, in theory, make some regions being space Qatar to be fought over so you got different goo from different region moons. Goons dictated the price of Technetium by strip mining every possible moon, much to the chagrin of hordes of pubbies. I think goons also crashed the mineral prices due to Rorqual mining and organising massive mining parties / multiboxers flooded the market until CCP had to literally rrduce the space rocks in the game. Goons have some filthy rich (space money, not real money rich afaik) in game people playing space Wall Street Bets on patch changes as well and they were supposed to control every major aspect of Eve.
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Jan 25, 2021 08:59
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I was so lucky to get to participate in the first two Burn Jita campaigns and we definitely flooded the market with pubbie tears let me tell you.
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got off on a technicality posted:I’d like to find out more about EVE spreadsheets and whatever the hell it is you all are needing to track on there. Can someone provide some common examples please i'll cross post my money making method from the EVE thread. anyone reading this thread, if you want to be an EVE billionaire than just do this: Rutibex posted:Do not spend your money on space drugs! I will teach you how to be rich, you can get started with a little bit of money but the more you have the better. It grows exponentially, the more you have the better the opportunities you can take advantage of. Here is how you can get started:
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Jan 25, 2021 15:42
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There are traps though, this ship for example. Looks quite juicy, buys for 570m sell for 1.75b, that's a healthy profit! But look at the price history, no one has sold a Kronos at that price ever. You would be wasting your time.
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Jan 25, 2021 15:54
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Platystemon posted:Why is the bid–ask spread so high? because there are a lot of fees and taxes attached to every transaction in EVE. if there was not a large spread in price no one would offer to buy anything. you can't sell things to NPCs in EVE, only other players. so if the price isn't right no one will buy it
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Jan 25, 2021 16:00
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Information asymmetry. The people buying at ask want super specific widget for their super specific build, the people selling at bid have a cargo hold of loot drops that needs to be unloaded right now.
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Jan 25, 2021 16:01
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The PvP and logistics focused nature of EVE also leads to much more atomized and local markets than you see in other games. Moving large quantities of goods or long distances is risky and expensive so arbitrage between trade hubs is pretty rare and only happens at the largest scales.
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shame on an IGA posted:Information asymmetry. The people buying at ask want super specific widget for their super specific build, the people selling at bid have a cargo hold of loot drops that needs to be unloaded right now. Also a good deal of impatience. To sell things on the market you have to babysit your prices and adjust them manually when other players undercut you. Many people just want to go into the station and hit the "sell all" button. Those people are my customers, I'm basically selling their loot for them. I'm like a pawn shop or a junk yard.
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don't forget that the iconic goon moneymaking path is simply to scam morons out of their space dollars. hours spent tweaking the dials of the module market can by skipped entirely when there is a surprising amount of people who will literally just hand over all their ships because you told them you were a goonswarm recruiter.
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kecske posted:don't forget that the iconic goon moneymaking path is simply to scam morons out of their space dollars. hours spent tweaking the dials of the module market can by skipped entirely when there is a surprising amount of people who will literally just hand over all their ships because you told them you were a goonswarm recruiter. I preferred "Assistant TO the regional recruiter"
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Rutibex posted:they took the soundtrack jukebox out of the game Try this, I just came across it. https://swarmstation.fm/
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I talked to a friend of a friend who plays eve and I casually brought up the goonsquad and it was just in a chat group but you could tell he was legit annoyed and he said everyone loving hates them and went on a bit of a rant thanks for listening
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Do it ironically posted:I talked to a friend of a friend who plays eve and I casually brought up the goonsquad and it was just in a chat group but you could tell he was legit annoyed and he said everyone loving hates them and went on a bit of a rant What if I told you your experience is rather.. common? Ask anyone who played EVE, we have at one point or another, had someone IRL look at us with disgusts when mentioning we're Goons.
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It's hard to see without experiencing it, but playing Eve with Goonfleet was the most fulfilling and consuming gaming experience of my life and I miss it frequently. When it comes to the metagame, nothing compares. If you're looking for that, join up. My highlights: IIRC the original "Mittani sends his regards," a carrier theft that shouldn't have worked, and dissolving Veritas. GS Titanfund drama. Getting Remedial's account permabanned and all the fun that went along with it. Our first forays into fielding cap fleets where 20 dreads was a good night. Cap ship production. Buying the first Aeon/Nyx BPOs that ultimately got locked up when Goonfleet was dissolved. More hours spent staring at Excel than playing the game. We were running 30 POSes at ~1b isk/week in 2007. I can't imagine what alliance finance is like now. I'm still offline in Scalding Pass in the first Aeon we built.  I've since used tricks learned from GF's counterspy work to deal with real corporate espionage, which is just crazy.
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KS posted:I've since used tricks learned from GF's counterspy work to deal with real corporate espionage, which is just crazy. Op sec is op sec, whatever it is you're doing.
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KS posted:I've since used tricks learned from GF's counterspy work to deal with real corporate espionage, which is just crazy. You can't just post this without stories.
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poverty goat posted:Hi-sec Miner killing Did you ever make youtube videos of yourself doing that and sending the videos to your victims? I played Eve mostly solo 2005-6. Then in '10 or '12 a couple of my friends started playing so I reactivated my account to play with them. They ended up not being great friends in general and useless at Eve specifically so I set out to do some solo hi-sec mining. Not a day later someone flies up to me, web and points me then blows me up. I could have handled that, but half an hour later they sent me a youtube video that was a compilation of them doing to a bunch of others what they had done to me. I said "welp", cancelled my account and uninstalled the game. I'm generally a good sport in video games but I was absolutely not going to pay money to get griefed on that hard. So gently caress you guys for making me even consider playing again!! (I guess I should have joined goonfleet back in the day huh)
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lmao humans are so hosed up
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Idk making video compilations takes time and effort, I'd say you've got yourself a moral victory over that nerdlinger
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Join goonswarm, get revenge
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Is there a distinction between goonswarm goonfleet and goonsquad?
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ikanreed posted:Is there a distinction between goonswarm goonfleet and goonsquad? yes, goonswarm is the alliance and goonfleet is the name of the original goon corporation. someone stole the Goonfleet corporation name so now the main goon corp is called Goonwaffe there is also "The imperium" which i think is a higher level alliance which includes other alliances?
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Goonswarm would be the alliance level (GSF + a few other alliances = The Imperium), while Goonfleet (= GoonWaffe) is one of the corporations that make up said alliance. Goonsquad doesn't really exist, however, there are squads that operate within and across corps, usually active in a certain region and based on a certain philosophy.
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any large gathering of goons is a Goonsquad
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goon squad is a catch-all term for any goon presence in mmo's imo
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ikanreed posted:Is there a distinction between goonswarm goonfleet and goonsquad? goonsquad is not something from eve, maybe that's the wow goons? it used to be that goonswarm was the alliance (including people not from SA) and goonfleet was the corp (of just SA people) but a while back we lost the goonfleet corporation, so technically "goonfleet" isn't even a thing anymore. so now goonfleet and goonswarm get used pretty interchangeably for the idea of our whole org, and if you want to refer to the group of just SA goons it's actually "goonwaffe". but people rarely do because the SA people are a distinct minority of the org at this point.
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Rutibex posted:any large gathering of goons is a Goonsquad Even a gathering of a single goon is large
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Phlegmish posted:Even a gathering of a single goon is large rude.
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Rutibex posted:someone stole the Goonfleet corporation name Is there a good story in that?
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Platystemon posted:Is there a good story in that? Shamelessly lifted from our goonfleet wiki but edited for SA standards compliance: The CEO, Kartoon, went on an extended vacation in January 2010 forgetting to give anyone access to the alliance cash reserves. This, coupled with the illustrious CFO Niart Epar's inability to a) login b) press buten led to about 30 GoonFleet systems dropping sov including about 10 stations including NOL and J-L which were quickly poo poo piled by AAA, IT and SysK trapping our Cap Fleet and huge amounts of goons personal assets without warning. Kartoon went 'fuckgoons' on Feb 3 2010 and stole several hundred billion isk worth of isk and alliance assets, stripped all directors of roles and kicked everyone from GoonSwarm. As of April 2010 he has been in Elitist Ops, as part of Pandemic Legion. Kartoon was banned near the end of 2010 from EVE Online, for using a python injection exploit to destroy CSAAs on a tower without attacking the tower. This means even if he sneaks back into the game, he's penniless.
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I choose to believe this means he modified his ship to have a big proboscis full of snakes that he could stab into towers.
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The Lone Badger posted:I choose to believe this means he modified his ship to have a big proboscis full of snakes that he could stab into towers. In the game around that time, a "tower" is a droppable structure that has a large forcefield sphere that only people allowed in can enter. Inside this forcefield area, a "Capital Ship Assembly Array" droppable structure could be placed, which would allow the building of Capital-class spaceships. To damage any structures placed inside the force-field, you must first shoot and kill the tower; this lowers the forcefield. Kartoon used some l33t hax0r code-injection tools to manipulate the game into thinking the forcefield was disabled when it wasn't, and was able to bypass the need to first destroy the tower.
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Otacon posted:In the game around that time, a "tower" is a droppable structure that has a large forcefield sphere that only people allowed in can enter. a fun quirk of this was that the field denied entry to people without the password and it would push you back out beyond the perimeter, but if you warped in from distance your ships collision radius could collide with another ship inside the field. If you warped in something big enough, you could knock out any idle ships left inside the field before you were bounced out. The afk ships would drift out of the field on the opposite side where you could leisurely shoot them. POS bowling was considered a fair strategy at first but then 
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I remember the opposite also being used as a strategy to evacuate a bunch of ships stuck inside the POS shield while it was under attack. The trapped players would all change their passwords at once, causing the shield to rapidly eject them from within, they’d go flying out in a random direction with a surprisingly comical amount of velocity and usually would end up far enough away to not be targetable and escape. I think that a few enterprising people would actually use this shield ejection technique to POS bowl in the opposite direction. They’d cause a very large ship like a dreadnought to be flung out of the shield, and through a lot of trial and error has figured out how to aim their direction of ejection, and they’d aim right for a blob of enemy capital ships. The collision would knock a bunch of enemy capital ships away from protection of the fleet and then they could be tackled and killed. Or something like that. It’s entirely moot now. But funny history about the weird totally not thought out mechanics the game used to have. If you are interested in weird mechanics the game used to have, that smarter people learned to exploit for quite incredible results, here’s a few videos. This is a somewhat famous channel and YouTuber that made some remarkable videos at the time. But it’s been inactive for years now. Reverse POS bowling “the drebuchet” https://youtu.be/Zj5ltxQgtAg This is taking how the game generated grids or “rooms” in space for players (bizarre: each room was a 150 square km box in space and two ships could be in different rooms but right next to each other, and not see each other), and maximizing it to the extreme: https://youtu.be/N8K18S_RNEQ Also just more cool space battle videos, and one of my favorite Imperium propaganda recruitment videos: Imperium - Become Harmonious https://youtu.be/3eVeLeAveb4 Ultra Cow is a goon who (again, I don’t play Eve anymore but I love following the videos and news) I have gathered is a legendary cloaked tackler. He can sneak up and tackle anything, allowing fleets to warp in and kill it. His channel is chock-full of great stuff. Although you kind of need a degree in Eve to follow some of them: https://youtu.be/B3YJVLVBNM8 Jay Amazingness is a goon with a good channel: https://youtu.be/kxKk0mMqcwQ The rest of these are politics agnostic. Ieatpaperbag is a TEST pilot, but his channel’s videos are quite fun because a) he narrates everything happening so one can actually follow along and b) there’s a ton of them: https://youtu.be/AO1JE8w61s4 https://youtu.be/SNqvOW-Cu40 Just other good stuff: https://youtu.be/V-PbDCyh6tI https://youtu.be/fdf3oG62ank https://youtu.be/OepT9LfFSBk A Higher Perspective is a PAPI member (goon’s current enemies) but his channel has a lot of great well made videos. And at least he’s impartial when they get slaughtered. The first is a total recap of the recent slaughter in M2 and the bubbles keeping the enemy fleet trapped there. The second is just a cool video. The third is goons slaughtering the gently caress out of their PAPI fleet when they first entered Delve. https://youtu.be/4EspDIuxXK4 https://youtu.be/8q36qsPqiC8 https://youtu.be/0POkn3a6T3w Sorry if this became sort of a carried-away dump I hope it is all found to be as entertaining to you as it is to me! Playing Eve as a goon fleet line member always struck me as 90% waiting for something to happen, 5% actual crazy huge kickass combat, 5% awful laggy instant death. The videos allow for it all to be sped up and edited to show Eve online in its real beauty, showing what it aspires to be and perhaps what it actually might be some day when PCs and servers are capable of it.
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Otacon posted:In the game around that time, a "tower" is a droppable structure that has a large forcefield sphere that only people allowed in can enter. Inside this forcefield area, a "Capital Ship Assembly Array" droppable structure could be placed, which would allow the building of Capital-class spaceships. I reject your reality and substitute my own.
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The Lone Badger posted:I reject your reality and substitute my own. AHIMSA
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I still love the THIS IS EVE trailer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkyQA20pAL8
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