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Timby
Dec 23, 2006

by vyelkin

TheAardvark posted:

Discovery plus is out and doesn't have Chopped :psyduck: what is the point

No PS4 app for Discovery+, what the hell?

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Timby
Dec 23, 2006

by vyelkin

Chairman Capone posted:

Does it have Good Eats?


Yeah, all 15 seasons of Good Eats are on Discovery+.

Also, Chopped is going to have its own dedicated channel on the service starting on January 29. I'm guessing it's not on the service just yet because of some sort of pre-existing streaming exclusivity deals that Discovery has with Netflix and Hulu.

Timby
Dec 23, 2006

by vyelkin

swickles posted:

I was gonna give Mr. Mayor a chance because Ted Danson, but glad to hear its good

It is not good at all. I think I got maybe one chuckle from it. I mean, they're already mining the bottom of the barrel with gags like "Oh, look, Ted Danson accidentally got high on edibles, he thought they were just gummy bears! Dur hur, that's hilarious!"

I know the project spent a long time in development hell--it was originally developed as a 30 Rock spin-off that had Jack Donaghy becoming mayor of NYC--but given the pedigree of the creative talent and the cast, someone somewhere should have said, "Wait a minute ... this isn't actually funny."

Timby
Dec 23, 2006

by vyelkin

Ugly In The Morning posted:

Call me Kat was bad, but when you compare it to some of the sitcoms that dropped last year like Carol’s Second Act or Bob Hearts Abishola it was Citizen Kane. That said, the only reason I even finished the episode was because my remote needed batteries and I didn’t feel like dealing with that.

Bob Hearts Abishola actually dropped in 2019 and it's almost certain to get a third season because it's cheap to make and gets stupidly high viewership numbers. :suicide:

Timby
Dec 23, 2006

by vyelkin

Ugly In The Morning posted:

Smartphones were a thing 12 years ago but I wouldn’t call them widespread til 2012 or so- I can’t find it now but there’s a graph of smartphone adoption rates over time and there’s a huge spike in the early 2010’s.

The first iPhone rolled out 14 years ago, and I think I was using my first BlackBerry in ... 2008, but Android 2, and the OG Motorola Droid (with the slide-out keyboard, and also the first phone to ship with Google Maps navigation pre-installed) alongside the rollout of 3G networks, dropped in late 2009, and I'd say that's around the time smartphones really entered the mainstream.

Timby fucked around with this message at 23:21 on Jan 11, 2021

Timby
Dec 23, 2006

by vyelkin

FilthyImp posted:

poo poo I remember when they announced that was going mobile. Stock in Garmin dropped like a loving rock immediately.

Yeah, that was a pretty huge seismic shift in the landscape. Not only did Garmin become a non-entity almost overnight, but Apple also realized that Google wasn't just dancing around in the smartphone OS space but rather actually intended to play. Google made a ton of mistakes in those early years of Android, some of which from which it will always be recovering, but the Maps thing on Android was huge and forced Apple to license Google Maps immediately so it didn't get lapped.

Timby
Dec 23, 2006

by vyelkin
Is Search Party streaming anywhere? Y'all won't shut up about it so I figure I should give it a shot.

Timby
Dec 23, 2006

by vyelkin
The review embargo for Clarice is up, and as expected, since it's an Alex Kurtzman shitpiece and they legally can't mention Hannibal Lecter, it's basically another generic CBS crime procedural like one of the two hundred NCIS spin-offs airing, just featuring Clarice Starling. Verdict is a hard pass, which, again, should surprise no one.

Timby
Dec 23, 2006

by vyelkin

radlum posted:


It was weird; what other shows are using COVID as part of their background?

The current season of Chicago Med has several long-running COVID subplots.

Timby
Dec 23, 2006

by vyelkin

Norwegian Rudo posted:

More like the Chicago route since they're all Dick Wolf shows.

New York, if you really want to get technical, since Chicago Fire and PD had crossovers with SVU first, I think as far back as Fire's second and PD's first seasons.

Although I was surprised to see Tracy Spiridakos loaned from PD to FBI for like a month last season; not every day you see characters crossing not just shows, but networks. Dick Wolf loves him some synergy, I guess.

Timby
Dec 23, 2006

by vyelkin

sticklefifer posted:

I read that Noah Hawley's going to be showrunner for an Alien series on FX, with Ridley Scott presumably exec producing.

I'm cautiously optimistic. Fargo is great, and Legion was gorgeous and weird. I wonder if this is going to lead to some traction for Scott's third Alien prequel; I know Prometheus and Covenant weren't very well received, but I'd like to see him get to finish the story and tie it back to Alien. I wasn't big on the theatrical releases, but I liked both movies better after seeing cuts that integrated the deleted material (which is par for the course with Alien movies except for the first one). David became a really interesting character even if the rest of the cast were mostly cannon fodder.

Scott's Prometheus 3 is written (though by John Logan, so the odds are it's loving trash), but he said around the time the Disney acquisition of Fox closed that he believed the money wasn't there to get it made.

Timby
Dec 23, 2006

by vyelkin

Open Source Idiom posted:

I suspect a lot of people only know him for his Star Trek film, which is apparently trash?

But also over twenty years old at this point, so...

John Logan has written, let's see...

Bats: Trash and awful.
RKO 281: So heavily ripped off The Battle Over Citizen Kane that Ridley Scott had to personally pay off the producers of that documentary to stave off a plagiarism lawsuit.
Any Given Sunday: Trash.
The Time Machine: Trash
Gladiator: Was rewritten heavily by David Franzoni, only had a few scenes of his left in the shooting script
The Aviator: Rewritten by an uncredited Michael Mann, who did it as a favor to Scorsese (Leo DiCaprio blurted this out in a drunken stupor at a post-Oscars party)
The Last Samurai: Rewritten top-to-bottom by Zwick
Skyfall: One of the most misogynistic movies I've seen in recent memory
Spectre: Ughhhhhhhhhh
Sweeney Todd: Well, if you're adapting Sondheim I guess you get to luck into something decent.

The dude sucks.

Timby
Dec 23, 2006

by vyelkin

Rhyno posted:

Any Given Sunday isn't that bad.

It's ... okay, aggressively mediocre.

But Logan still sucks.

Timby
Dec 23, 2006

by vyelkin

Mu Zeta posted:

Well Craig Mazin was trash until Chernobyl so it only takes one good project. Why the hell does John Logan keep getting work if all his stuff gets rewritten?

Make friends with the right people? Ridley Scott loving loves him.

Timby
Dec 23, 2006

by vyelkin

pentyne posted:

probably because some broke brains lost their mind screaming it was a racial insult

That was a Mad Men thing, and it was a racial insult, people just didn't realize it.

Timby
Dec 23, 2006

by vyelkin

Vincent posted:

Been binging Terriers and it's really really good, but I can see why it got canceled.

It's a show I slept on for way too long, but, yeah, it's not the most accessible thing ever made and I can see why pretty much no one watched it while it was on the air.

Still glad it exists, though.

Timby
Dec 23, 2006

by vyelkin
https://twitter.com/netflix/status/1362129692921266177

No. No, thank you. Very much no.

Timby
Dec 23, 2006

by vyelkin

muscles like this! posted:

I was thinking today about how I get annoyed when a show I've been liking gets retooled halfway through its first season/between first and second. So I was wondering, has there been a show where being retooled actually made it better? The examples I can think of are all worse.

The Office and Parks & Rec are exhibits 1 and 1a (and, coincidentally, both Mike Schur shows). Mannix did a pretty big 180 after its first season, as did Newhart, and both shows improved dramatically. Other examples would be arguably Happy Days, you can cheat and say Doctor Who, as well.

It's a season 2-3, not 1-2, shift, but Star Trek: The Next Generation's third season brought with it new uniforms, some revamped sets, the return of Gates McFadden, and an entirely new writing and production staff, and I think most people will say that's when the show became consistently watchable.

Oh, Seinfeld's first season--which I believe was titled The Seinfeld Chronicles--bears almost no resemblance to the rest of the series, it feels like a completely different show.

Timby
Dec 23, 2006

by vyelkin
The Golden Globes are bought and sold, so the only reason to watch the show is seeing everyone getting progressively more hammered at the open bar. I can't imagine how boring a virtual GG ceremony is.

Croatoan posted:

I watched the first episode of Superman and Lois and it seems to be legit good? Not even "Good for the CW" but actually good?

I was very, very pleasantly surprised by the pilot but I'm kind of expecting it to revert to the standard Arrowverse budget look and feel sooner rather than later.

Timby
Dec 23, 2006

by vyelkin

...of SCIENCE! posted:

I would love to see literally any evidence for this.

There was a massive article in one of the bigger entertainment magazines maybe, oh, fifteen years or so ago that did an exhaustive deep dive into what a joke the "Hollywood Foreign Press Association" is. It's a group of 90-some people, largely French, none of whom are Black, and they make no bones about nominations largely being determined by which studios send the biggest gift baskets and throw the best parties, essentially. They've been so blatant about it in the past that NBC refused to air the awards for a good long time, even.

At its core, the HFPA is a bunch of groupies.

Timby
Dec 23, 2006

by vyelkin

Hakkesshu posted:

Article says he's EP so he has at least some involvement.

Eh, that doesn't necessarily mean much. JJ Abrams is a guy, for example, who probably has a dozen different executive producer credits at any given time but has no actual involvement. Spielberg and Ridley Scott are much the same way. Technically Dick Wolf is the EP on L&O SVU, L&O Organized Crime, the three Chicago shows, as well as the two FBI shows on CBS, but apparently the only ones he really pays attention to and works on are the two L&Os. Greg Berlanti seemingly has an EP credit on just about every single show on The CW; Carlton Cuse and Damon Lindelof are happy to put their names on anything that comes their way. And, of course, Aaron Spelling would let just about anyone put his name on a TV show or a movie if they slipped him a few bucks, but he was legendarily hands-off from most things he was nominally attached to. And so on.

A lot of the time, someone will allow their name to be attached to a project as an EP just because the name value makes it a little bit easier for that project to get funding or a green light.

Other times it's contractual, like how Gene Roddenberry held an executive consultant title on the Star Trek movies, and an EP credit on The Next Generation, despite having been removed from involvement with both (or, more recently, Bryan Fuller keeping his EP credit on Star Trek Discovery despite being fired months before filming began).

Either way, I think that's what's happening with Soderbergh and the Knick spinoff.

Timby fucked around with this message at 19:10 on Mar 4, 2021

Timby
Dec 23, 2006

by vyelkin

socialsecurity posted:

I've been watching a bunch of standup on Netflix, a mistake really. 95% of it these days are comics complaining about "cancel culture" and "bloggers" nonstop it's petty and pointless.

The only time I pay attention to stand-up on Netflix is if John Mulaney drops a new special.

Timby
Dec 23, 2006

by vyelkin

Hakkesshu posted:

I like this season but then I liked the last season too. It's a show purely about mood, basically nothing happens in an episode other than Ian McShane going to see some weird new god and doing his Ian McShane schtick, and also there are scenes with Ricky Whittle. Oh that episode focusing on Dead Wife was good.

I'm honestly shocked it got a third season with these production values because surely no one is watching it. It's a shame they could never keep any actors around for completely avoidable reasons. I will not be surprised or upset when it is cancelled.

Reminder that Bryan Fuller quit American Gods because he wanted something like double the per-episode budget for the second season despite no one watching the show; Starz very justifiably told him to go pound sand.

Timby
Dec 23, 2006

by vyelkin

muscles like this! posted:

Will Forte is doing another show with a depressing sounding premise. "Expiration Date" is in development at Peacock and stars Forte as a depressed man who takes out a life insurance policy on himself that pays out for suicide but only if he has the policy for at least one year. With the idea being the show following how he lives his last year of life.

That ... is depressingly close to a lot of real-life situations (I had a friend in Iowa who basically did exactly this, except his policy didn't pay out, leaving his family buried in medical bills). Hard pass.

Timby
Dec 23, 2006

by vyelkin

Slamhound posted:

A lot, actually. They rely pretty heavily on Buffalo Bill; recreating Clarice’s taking him down. The central trait of Clarice is that she’s suffering from PTSD from the whole thing. The politician who’s daughter was in the well has pulled Clarice out of mothballs and assigned her to this mew task force. And the daughter is a currently minor character who still has Precious and is also emotionally crippled from it all. Hannibal is referenced but not specifically mentioned.

Yeah, there are a lot of direct references to Silence of the Lambs, and the show draws heavily from the book's smaller details. The one thing they are completely prohibited from doing is any specific mention of Hannibal Lecter, as those character rights are completely turbofucked, so in the pilot, for example, they just have an oblique reference to something like "your last psychiatrist."

Timby
Dec 23, 2006

by vyelkin

Mu Zeta posted:

I blame Dino DeLaurentiis for the rights issues. I know he died years ago but the dude was a creep.

Martha De Laurentiis, his widow (there was a 35-year age difference between them :stonk:), is also a bit of a ghoul. She's renowned for being extremely trigger-happy when it comes to litigation, and she has a reputation for being a control freak; apparently one of the reasons NBC canceled Hannibal was because they really, really could not stand dealing with her anymore.

Timby
Dec 23, 2006

by vyelkin

Milo and POTUS posted:

Do they do the marvel netflix shows thing where they reference him in the goofiest way like "the green guy" or the "guy with the hammer"

As I said, yeah. In the pilot a character mentions "your last psychiatrist" to Starling, and there are other very oblique mentions of Lecter. They tapdance around it pretty deftly, actually.

The show itself isn't that good, but it's a pretty inoffensive CBS procedural. There are worse things to have on as background noise, really.

Timby
Dec 23, 2006

by vyelkin

Rhyno posted:

"He's one of the good ones" right?

I'll never forget in 2008, when my ex-wife and I were hanging out with her family watching Wisconsin football, and during halftime, they went to the local news and they ran a clip of Candidate Obama talking about something or other. My ex-wife's grandmother, who at that point was 83, says to no one in particular, "He really is very well-spoken, you know, for one of those people."

I've never had a bigger :stare: on my face as I did at that exact moment. And then the rest of the family chimed in with their approval, not even bothering to attempt to re-phrase or alter the tone of the discussion.

Should have known right then and there that my marriage was doomed.

Timby
Dec 23, 2006

by vyelkin

GreenNight posted:

Do you want to see a small town murder mystery in northern Wisconsin?

I, too, liked Making a Murderer. :v:

Timby
Dec 23, 2006

by vyelkin

ONE YEAR LATER posted:

Yes, and I guess she and her boyfriend got caught with crack and meth last year (she claims she spent one million on her meth habit) and now she's got a new show about her "redemption". poo poo is so so gross I feel gross for even commenting on it.

There is absolutely no limit to the amount of psychological damage she did to Alana ("Honey Boo Boo") and her other children--I think even the South Park guys have said they feel terrible about the jokes they made about Honey Boo Boo--and it's absolutely disgusting to see a network trying to normalize her.

Timby
Dec 23, 2006

by vyelkin

muscles like this! posted:

They were supposed to be working on a Superstore spin off but I don't know if it got picked up.

I thiiiink it got dropped in favor of Mr. Mayor when it was decided to re-tool that show and make it a Danson vehicle instead of a Jack Donaghy spin-off.

Timby
Dec 23, 2006

by vyelkin

pentyne posted:

Mama June lost custody of her to the girl's older sister after the meth charges, and now the new series is all about her redemption story.

I think by this point A&E or TLC whoever would air a docu series about a "ex"-pedophile who decided to try and live an aspirational Christian life, with tons of dramatic stingers and cuts of him glancing or staring at children playing nearby if they thought it would make money.

I looked it up, loving WeTV is behind Mama June's redemption show.

Imagine being too trashy for TLC and their endless reruns of 1000lb Sisters and My 600 Pound Life and 90 Day Whatever.

Timby
Dec 23, 2006

by vyelkin

bull3964 posted:

Apparently only 38% of people that started Justice League finished it within a week.

Is there a source on this? I'm always very highly skeptical when some news outlet claims to be reporting viewership data from a streaming service, because outside of some vague tidbits here and there (like the premiere of X series was the most-viewed new release on Y service's history), streaming engagement metrics are secrets more tightly held than the original Coca Cola recipe or the location of Jimmy Hoffa's body.

Timby
Dec 23, 2006

by vyelkin

Simone Magus posted:

Anderson Cooper would be the best jeopardy host, why not do that

He's got a guest host spot on Jeopardy next month.

Timby
Dec 23, 2006

by vyelkin

muscles like this! posted:

MST3K Kickstarter is up
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/mst3k/makemoremst3k
Basically Joel wants to forgo the "getting on a streaming service" part of the previous revival and is trying to just make new MST that is audience funded. Same cast as before with production starting pretty quickly after completion of the campaign. The idea being that they're going to make an app with a subscription model with new episodes going up one at a time and a rotating library of older episodes.

There are a couple of red flags I'm seeing here. First, repeat crowdfunding campaigns rarely out-do their predecessors, and even the original "Bring Back MST3K" campaign, with its $6+ million raised, needed additional capital from Netflix in order to actually get everything out the door.

And second, while everyone loves the idea of building their own streaming platform / app and doing their own thing, that kind of endeavor tends to be a lot more expensive and a lot more complicated than people really expect at the outset--there's a reason, after all, that ESPN, CBS, WWE, the NHL, HBO, PlayStation Vue and a bunch of other companies either use or have used BAMTech / Disney Streaming Services, which began as MLB.tv, as their streaming backend infrastructure instead of rolling their own--and with things like “frequent live screenings, premieres, and community events” and all this stuff with the Gizmoplex virtual theater, it just seems like a really, really ambitious project, and I have to question whether Joel & Co. have adequately scoped everything out in terms of timeline, budget, all that.

Timby
Dec 23, 2006

by vyelkin

feedmyleg posted:

They're owned by Shout Factory, which already has its own streaming app. They could spin it off into a whitelabel or just make a Shout Factory Premium.

I had absolutely no idea that Shout had acquired the IP in its entirety, I just thought they had a distribution deal. Thank you for the clarification. :)

Timby
Dec 23, 2006

by vyelkin

bull3964 posted:

I'm not sure I need to see anything that this year to know that Godzilla Vs. Kong should get the Academy Award for best VFX.

I generally liked the VFX in Godzilla vs. Kong, but there were some wonky shots here and there (I don't know whether Scanline or Weta was responsible for the water effects, but those were very hit-or-miss, and there were some shots where either creatures or objects seemed to be completely lacking any sort of mass whatsoever); I'm sure it'll be nominated come year's end, of course. That being said, it's going to be a crowded field, considering how effects-heavy Dune is, Fast & Furious 9 is sure to be bonkers considering they're going to space, Black Widow looks to have some impressive effects work and Shang Chi and the Ten Rings is still scheduled for this year (as is Venom: Let There be Carnage). Spider-Man: Far From Home, Top Gun: Maverick, Ghostbusters: Afterlife and No Time to Die are still hanging out there, too, all sure to be ridiculously effects-heavy.

And there's that little thing called The Matrix 4, which will likely be a piece of poo poo but if anything it's guaranteed to pull some wild, wild poo poo, effects-wise.

Timby
Dec 23, 2006

by vyelkin

Chairman Capone posted:

My only quibble: I don't think Garak is in Little Green Men, Trials and Tribble-ations, The Visitor, or Far Beyond the Stars.

Garak's also in only like 27 episodes, there's no way to supercut 27 great episodes of DS9 without missing a poo poo-ton of stuff. He also isn't in Duet, Past Tense, The Siege, Take Me Out to the Holosuite, The Magnificent Ferengi, For the Uniform, The Sound of Her Voice, The Siege of AR-558, It's Only a Paper Moon, Once More Unto the Breach, Emissary, Homefront / Paradise Lost, and probably a half-dozen other ones I'm forgetting.

DS9 was so good at guest casting that it's very easy to forget that many its most memorable guest characters were on the show for less than a quarter of its total episode count.

Timby
Dec 23, 2006

by vyelkin

Cactus posted:

I did Garaks introductory episode the other day, where he "befriends" Bashir. The whole thing played off like he was trying to physically seduce the guy. Nothing wrong with that of course, and I would entertain the notion that this was intended except for the fact that TV in the early 90s wasn't quite there yet. So I dunno what to make of that.

Andy Robinson spent a large chunk of his career in typecasting hell after playing the Scorpio Killer in Dirty Harry, so when the role of Garak came along, he read for it and he saw an opportunity to insert a lot of what he called omnisexual subtext into the character, especially after they started bringing him back and he was able to explore new areas with the character (it's easy to forget, and it's a testament to how skilled Robinson is as an actor, that Garak only had four appearances, one of them rather small, in the first two seasons).

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Timby
Dec 23, 2006

by vyelkin

Rhyno posted:

If you drink RC Cola you're probably a psychopath.

RC is pretty inoffensive as colas go. Like a slightly less sweet Pepsi.

Diet Rite, though, is toxic sludge.

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