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STAC Goat
Mar 12, 2008

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Does Disney+ have tiers? I just have the one and I haven't noticed anything locked.

Peacock has a free service with ads and then a pay service that has the really coveted stuff or the deeper seasons of stuff they can get you hooked on for free.

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LetterKenny is weird because on its surface, isolated I don't find it funny at all. But if I start playing the episodes it just kind of lulls me in.

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Mar 12, 2008

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I love them and I think they kind of really fit the Moon Knight idea of a more psychological/personal thing with supernatural settings and events.

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Sumo posted:

He's from mother flipping Fringe and Band of Brothers y'all

(as well as one-season forgotten show The Black Donnellys which I somehow remember being weirdly into)

It was a good show, thats why.

I mean, maybe. I haven't looked at it since then.

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Escobarbarian posted:

Really enjoyed the first episode of WandaVision, very funny pastiche. Almost wish it hadn’t had that very final moment, tbh.

I groaned when I saw a tweet describing it as ‘Lynchian’ but honestly that one part where Fred Melamed is choking for ages while his wife’s yelling at him to stop it definitely had that vibe down.

I mean its not Lynchian because I can actually kind of guess at what's happening and do expect to get an answer that makes sense.

Its definitely doing a good job early of being weird and random but with the hints of an explanation to come.

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I feel like the last big show I heard buzz about was about a girl playing chess. I don't really thing grounded tv dramas are gone. Seems more like a self selection thing.

Although certainly there's MORE fantasy around right now. Probably at least in part because its more doable on TV now.

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I don't think its limited to Lindelof. Its just a thing now with viewers trying to outsmart the show they're watching and not get swerved. So for every correct Westworld guess there's 3 crazy rear end Breaking Bad theories.

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Cougar Town got massively retooled mid first season from a weird show about middle aged women having sex with younger men to a bunch of middle aged friends. That was most definitely a change for the positive.

Agents of Shield was a very by the numbers procedural before it flipped into a much more plot driven thing mid season. But that seemed by design.

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Annie Murphy was tremendous on Schitt's Creek and was memorable to me from a couple of small roles before that so I'm game to see her try and tackle something that weird.

Like I was kinda interested watching the trailer, but when I realized it was her I was looking for the premiere date.

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There's definitely been plenty of people into the sitcom parodies and weirdness who are bored by the regular MCU aspects of it. I fully expect the series to end back in reality and a lot of people to be annoyed. And then Falcon/Winter Soldier's gonna be straight MCU and there's gonna be a ton of consternation from people who want the MCU to break out of the box.

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Yeah, I think the MCU's gonna get a lot broader going forward. It was already headed in that direction with Ant Man, Guardians, and Ragnarok but the stuff they have in the pipeline has a lot of theoretical weirdness. Sam Raimi doing a Doctor Strange film with Multiverse in the title. Thor and the Guardians of the Galaxy teaming up in a Taiki Waiti film. Moorehead and Benson doing a Moon Knght series. The Loki series. The Eternals and Shang Chi. MCU's definitely a little out of the box going forward and that's without even having any clear idea what sort of "multiverse" stuff they're planning.

But there's also gonna be a lot of standard MCU like Falcon/Winter Soldier because that stuff sells. They're messing with the formula but they're not gonna discard it entirely. And it feels like there's gonna be a lot of back and forth between fans who want more of what they like and the ones who want something different. But if Marvel does it right they'll give enough of both to satisfy as many as they can.

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I rewatched it a few weeks ago and its not actively terrible or anything but its the most obvious "we need a sequel" sequel in the MCU. Just nothing really compelling to take away from it.

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Ugly In The Morning posted:

Eh, there’s also Iron Man 2.

Iron Man 2's very sequely, sure, but its also one of the first real world expanding films. It introduces Black Widow, War Machine, and SHIELD proper and I think its the first time the MCU starts to actually look like the MCU. That's not as big a deal so many films and crossovers later but at the time I think it was a big deal.

Thor 2 on the other hand is basically just all the same players from Thor 1 doing more stuff. The only thing it really does that matters is I think its where Hemsworth and Hiddleston really start to get the feel for their characters as they'll be going forward instead of kind of stuffy Shakespearian characters.

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Mar 12, 2008

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Fair. And I guess Hiddelston had Loki in that scene where he's getting smashed by Hulk.

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The weirdest part of SnyderChat to me is that its been going for so long that its got its own language and frames of reference so every once and awhile I don't even know what people are talking about.

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Sirotan posted:

https://twitter.com/JoeOtterson/status/1369347501820641280

Guess I'll check it out because Chloe Bennet is great but I never watched the cartoon and this feels like a step down from AoS :/

Same. I have no real interest in the show but I'll follow Bennet for at least a pilot.

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Mar 12, 2008

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The Mick was not a "friendly" show.

I mean, it might not have been quite as Always Sunny as Always Sunny. But not for lack of effort.

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Escobarbarian posted:

Superstore finale was great. Gonna miss that show.

I wasn't expecting the show to make me end up feeling good at the end of an hour all about a bunch of people losing their jobs after a year of risking their health in a pandemic. But it pulled it out.

I'll be a little sadder without Superstore to be a weekly 30 minutes of smile.

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I genuinely can't remember if I watched S5 but I also only remember i watched S4 because the last time I thought I hadn't and watched it I realized I had and just forgot 99% of it.

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Amazon had Upload. They also had that one with Fred Armisan and Maya Rudolph.

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I don't have any real problem with secret identity stuff but it has to make sense in context. Lois and Superman choosing to not tell their kids their dad is Superman makes enough sense as a conflicted parental decision and kids are never gonna see their dorky dad as Superman even if the internet was connecting it (and it wouldn't be THAT hard to hide it in a major city if you're at all smart). At the same time that show told the kids right say so it could tell the next stage of stories. And I have to catch up on it to see if it addresses the fact taht Superman operating out of Smallville at the same time Clark Kent moves back to town SHOULD be a red flag to all those people going "crazy miracles tended to happen when Clark was around, life has sucked since then".

I think modern hero stuff is definitely coming up against the "everyone records everything and obsesses over it" modern world where some Twitter rando would trace Bruce Wayne's flight plans with Batman's out of Gotham activities. Its also probably coming up against the "STOP KEEPING SECRETS!" backlash against tv melodrama storytelling. But I think it can still work if you do it right. But its good that its not the standard anymore so there's more diversity of storytelling.

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STAC Goat
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I think practically there's always been guys who could figure out Batman's identity, but they're not really problems unless they become super villains. The modern real world problem would be that some dude would post it on Twitter and it would trend and there'd be a #BruceWayneisBatman thing and everyone would ask Wayne and then the Joker or someone would decide to just kill Bruce Wayne or his loved ones just to be safe.

But that's not solved by just telling everyone he's Batman. Tony Stark tells the world he's Iron Man and the next two Iron Man films have super villains targeting him, his home, and his loved ones. So secret identities make perfect sense, especially if you're not a crazy rich and famous weapons designer. Its just a matter of what stories you tell with them.

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Mar 12, 2008

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It feels like the place HBO Max temporarily sends stuff so it can cycle through "Last Chance" pushes.

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Its weird to me that they managed to cast a great comic actress as the Mother and then keep going some where else for the spinoff.

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Mar 12, 2008

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Joe Buck as the host of Jeopardy is somehow both the last person I would have picked and yet somehow makes complete sense.

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bull3964 posted:

Gonna guess with all the reboots and revivals flying around, he's salty that no one has picked up the phone and asked for more Entourage.

In the article he basically flat out admits that he's salty because he pitched something and jot rejected.

STAC Goat
Mar 12, 2008

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I loved the Bernie Mac Show.

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Khanstant posted:

Bar Rescue is really blatant about it, they force storylines, literally script and feed lines, people appear will ask for direction or what to do. He also pushes the hell out of his software or service he peddles and injects into every bar. I'd love to know how many of those Bars end up paying for that poo poo after the free period is over.

The show does have a better "success rate" than Kitchen Nightmares. KN is about quarter to last after the show, Bar Rescue a little over half. Granted, not any meaningful measurement here. I also figure a Bar is just an easier business to keep running, you have to really be a doofus to gently caress up being a drug dealer where they come to you. Guy Fieri smokes them both though, with his strategy of only visiting successful restaurants, barely any have closed and of those who have, none blame their failure on the Guy.

Yeah, I haven't watched Bar Rescue in forever but every episode basically amounts to "gently caress your dream, sell your booze at a premium, don't give it away, provide some food to draw more people in, fire bad/drunk/stealing employees, and loving clean your bar!" They're pretty much all failing because their owners/managers are incompetent, crazy, drunk, or checked out.

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Mar 12, 2008

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Yeah, Dwight gradually gets humanized and more sympathetic and well rounded. Eventually he moves past the all consuming rear end kissing and selfishness and actually connects with people. He's still kind of an rear end, but I think they find a balance with him where he's one you can laugh at and still hope things work out for him.

I hated Michael the whole way. Gradually he gets more sympathetic and people connect with him, but they always do an episode where he's just a selfish rear end in a top hat ruining people's lives and he's trying to squirm out of it or blame someone else. They never stopped thinking that was funny. But eventually the likable characters like Jim, Pam, and Darryl start to figure out how to deal with him and get through that and it helps.

The Office is weird because there's probably like 4 places you can just stop watching and feel like you saw a satisfying ending, but then it just keeps going. I don't think it ever really gets bad enough that you have to bail, especially in a binge as opposed to week to week. Even the late seasons have some fun stuff like James Spader. But like when you're watching if you reach a point where you're like "that's nice, this would be a good place to stop" you probably could if you want to. It would save you seeing the Andy/Erin stuff.

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Man, Schitt's Creek is such a feelgood show that I was just in a terrible mood and cursing to myself and I watched one of my favorite happy scenes from it and immediately felt better.

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Shageletic posted:

lol at this but it goes to a more serious point. Who the gently caress gives a poo poo about the 60s anymore. Wonder Years worked on adult nostalgia and kid wishfulment and neither is happening when its set that far back.

Unless it isn't happening in the 60s.

I dunno. I loved Wonder Years as a kid and I had no familiarity at all with the 60s. Its just a setting for a coming of age story. Its also a tumultuous enough setting that's far enough past us that you can work with it without much controversy. I dunno if this is gonna be any good but I don't think it inherently becomes better if you set it in 2000.

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Davros1 posted:

I find myself bothered by those who argue that he should be killing people.

Yeah. The "no killing/no guns" thing is wildly inconsistent but if there's any consistency to it at all I think its that Batman's generally written as having some kind consciousness that he or his system might go too far. Its why there's so many stories that are about him having secret plans to stop the Justice League if they go bad or kill Superman if he goes bad or standing up to the League lobotomizing villains or war gaming plans if the gangs ever take over Gotham or something. Batman often thinks he's the smartest guy in the room and that arrogance often ends up being a problem but he also seems like he often knows they could all go too far or the whole thing could go ugly if they don't have limits. "Who watches the Watchmen?" and all.

So a bunch of people responding to that with "But it would be so cool if he murdered a bunch of people!" feels real weird.

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Davros1 posted:

Michael would've definitely been Pro-Trump; not because he agreed with anything he said/did (and I doubt Michael would've even paid that much attention), but he would've discovered a sub-section of people who would "love" him as long as he wore the red hat.

Yeah, Michael was driven by his need to be liked and respected and he latched onto any random thing he thought would do it. So yeah, I can absolutely see an opening where he walks into the office and tells Pam or Jim about this new Q thing before Dwight corrects him on what he misunderstood.

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I think its probably something that Snyder thought would be cute, to draw the direct metaphor to real politics and put the real faces there arguing the analogs. And he didn't really consider questions like "should I be giving this guy and what he represents a job and some more celebrity regardless of context?" Or he did and he decided it was fine. And some people disagree and its become probably a bigger thing than he thought it would.

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I feel like "live action Powerpuff Girls" is an idea no one really thought out that much and then when they made it they got exactly what would come from that but it was either a mess or a nightmare.

I hope we get a chance to see it, whatever it is.

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This seems like such a bad idea but it gives me hope that they're self aware.

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I went through the hassle of doing that a few weeks ago and thought "cool, maybe I'll watch some more Peacock and even subscribe" and then it stopped working a couple of weeks later and I have to update something or do it again or I don't know but I don't care because its just Peacock.

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zoux posted:

I think the main thing is if you enjoy the meta-plot or the MoW episodes more. I "only" watched through season 10 or 11, I quit not for any real reason, I just didn't pick it back up one year, but I was never like THAT'S IT I'M DONE. I'd agree that the structure that grows out of the yellow-eyed demon into a whole cosmology that becomes the dominant metaplot throughout the series gets pretty loving convoluted, but really, that's only about 5 or so episodes per season. A later season episode typically opens with Sam and Dean in the car disagreeing about some factor of the quest they are on to resolve this season's twist in the metaplot, then they get a call from someone about a Monster of the Week and they go deal with that for the whole episode without ever once bringing up angels or demons or leviathans or concepts of good and evil made into flesh manifest. Then at the very end they'll realize they learned some lesson while fighting the monster of the week that teaches them the importance of honesty or brotherhood, or some problems with This Life, and how that ties into the overall. Then Sam or Dean gets in the car and the other one looks broodingly into the middle distance because he is keeping a secret from the other one that is ironically orthagonal to the lesson they learned and he gets in the car and they drive off.

The strength of the show is the chemistry between Sam/Jared and Dean/Jensen, the decent side characters, the fun action plots and dialogue. It's not groundbreaking, but it's just solid, comforting entertainment anchored by an excellent performances by Ackles and Padalecki is, you know, fine I guess. It doesn't ever fall off a cliff outside of what happens with the metaplot, and really that's more of an issue of having to continually escalate stakes and introduce more and more powerful villains after they've already defeated Satan himself and prevented the literal apocalypse. It's not bad as much as it is convoluted, but the MoWs stay strong throughout (some are hit some are miss, but that's how all TV shows work). "Baby", which is the 222nd episode of the series, is easily one of the best they've ever done, and pretty much every season has at least a couple of all-timers.

So my answer to the guy is: quit whenever you get bored, it's not like the Simpsons where it becomes irredeemably bad after a certain point, it just never really changes that much over 15 seasons.

Yeah, I'd say Supernatural has 3 key components.

1) The meta plot.
2) The monster of the week aspect.
3) The brothers.

The meta plot stuff peaks in S5 and never really recovers. It gets real bad for a few seasons and then ok for the last half dozen or so. But its never as tight and satisfying as it is in Seasons 1-5.

The monster of the week stuff on the other hand stays great the whole way and arguably gets better after S5. There's always some duds but there's also always a bunch of really amazing ideas and episodes. Especially as the show goes on and starts playing with itself and its fanbase or just really stretching for out there new ideas.

The brothers is something you're gonna have to decide for yourself. Their dynamic never really changes. Sometimes the show messes with it and acts like its gonna change but it never really does. So that's either something you enjoy or you tolerate. But if you ever feel yourself saying "I can't take this, it needs to change" it won't so that's probably when you have to get off.

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X-O posted:

This post pretty much nails it. Though I'm actually a bit more positive on the meta plot of the show. Particularly in the last several seasons. It's the worst immediately after season five when they don't know where they're going with it. The MOTW stuff is great and I'd say does get better. And the brother stuff is right on point too. The dynamic never changes, but that's kind of the point. That they go through proverbial and sometimes literal hell and it doesn't really change their relationship with each other. And that's both ways, there's very little positive or negative change. They are constant for better or worse. But I think that's intentional even when sometimes you'd wish they'd break out of the same cycles. I kind of get it too.

Yeah, I think right after S5 their focus was on trying to introduce new massive threats from the outside and its not great. But eventually I think they settled on just building out from the world they have and it felt more natural and satisfying. I still don't think it really gets as good as the start but it definitely gets a lot better and feels more like that first 3rd of the show.

And yeah, the brothers' codependence is stagnant but that's recognized and kind of the point. Like the Sam's girlfriend season is kind of funny because its the time one them actually broke the cycle and then they both just got all moody about that.

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Big Mean Jerk posted:

Wasn’t there another relatively recent show where a bunch of people discovered they were all half-siblings?

There was a show that had the very disturbing premise that a bunch of women discover they were all the result of embroyo implants or something and the doctor had replaced his semen in all of them so they all turned out to be spiritual rape sisters or something.

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When it is revealed that fertility doctor Leon Bechley (Timothy Hutton) had used his own sperm to conceive at least 100 children throughout his career, Julia Bechley (Brittany Snow) unites with two of her half siblings—including childhood friend Edie Palmer (Megalyn Echikunwoke), and retired Olympic athlete Roxy Doyle (Emily Osment)—as they deal with issues that have been affecting their lives.[3]

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