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The latest episode of Clarice directly addressed the transphobic elements of Buffalo Bill in Silence of the Lambs. I was not expecting that.
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Lurdiak posted:Is this a dig at The Wire, because if you think The Wire is copaganda I feel like you've not actually watched it. pentyne posted:the entire point of The Wire is that the policing system is completely broken and crime solving is practically an unintended side effect hth When Freddie Gray was murdered by Baltimore police, David Simon told rioters to go home. gently caress The Wire. Edit for clarification: The Wire exists in the West Wing universe. Slamhound fucked around with this message at 15:05 on May 18, 2021 |
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Hakkesshu posted:I have no idea how you can watch that show and think that at any point it says that you have to trust the system Blaming “The System” is exactly how the cops who are the system excuse their murderous behavior. I’m glad you realize The West Wing is poo poo, but it is absolutely in the same universe. Escobarbarian posted:An unbelievably horrible take. One of the worst I’ve seen in this subforum Has he said something that would show that he’s part of the very system he claims to oppose? Like maybe telling the people of Baltimore that they should stop objecting to the murderous cops who murder black people? Like telling people they should go home instead of objecting to when a bunch of cops murder a guy in a nickel ride?
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May 18, 2021 15:41
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Hakkesshu posted:I'm not gonna argue about politics with you in this TVIV thread, but the show does not depict the system as anything less than completely busted, nor does it excuse the actions of any bad actors in there - the cops aren't the system, they are one part of it, and any good intentions in there are constantly quashed by how busted everything is, to the point where one of the main characters has to invent a serial killer to get anyone to care about actual murders. It's also worth noting the clear distinction between homicide detectives and beat cops, which is also something that is a core part of showing how busted the system is. No, it doesn't really suggest that abolition should be the ultimate goal, but calling it copaganda is absurd. Claiming that The System is busted is a major feature of copaganda. It allows individual cops to do “whatever it takes” to get the job done. Things like inventing a serial killer. But it’s not their fault, it’s The System. Differentiating between detectives and beat cops is another sleight-of-hand that allows you to both blames cops and absolve cops. Which of them is The System? Whichever one you want. Why would a clear distinction between the two even matter unless you’re trying to show that one of them is busted? And as far as impassioned West Wing speeches is concerned, Hamsterdam is the liberal embodiment of “Let’s try this so long as it proves that we shouldn’t have tried this.” An impassioned speech that comes to nothing.
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May 18, 2021 16:59
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DrVenkman posted:This is what Simon said in the middle of rioting over Freddie Gray's death This “brick in the hand” bullshit would be more convincing if cops didn’t have guns. Or if Freddie Gray had actually done something wrong. People don’t get what they want without riots. Simon is a bootlicker. As far as Gray’s family is concerned? They’re trying to survive.
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May 18, 2021 17:42
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zoux posted:Hamsterdam is presented as an alternative to War on Drugs policing, and it gets shut down despite showing good results because of PR. You have actually seen the Wire yes? In other words, “Let’s try this so long as it proves that we shouldn’t have tried this.”
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May 18, 2021 17:52
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DrVenkman posted:Well yeah, but Simon's post was made at a time when people had the right eyes and ears on them. He even says they should carry on protesting but that rioting is going to kill any support they might have a chance of getting, which is what happened. The idea that it’s people who start riots and not the cops is straight up fascist bullshit.
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May 18, 2021 17:57
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zoux posted:Yeah, I don't think you've seen it. Also, that’s not what gaslight means.
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May 18, 2021 18:01
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zoux posted:Answer this question directly: Have you seen The Wire? Yes.
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May 18, 2021 18:05
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Escobarbarian posted:How many episodes? DrVenkman posted:No it isn't. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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May 18, 2021 18:19
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Escobarbarian posted:Seems like this meltdown is going well for you. Why should David Simon stop tweeting?
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May 18, 2021 18:23
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Escobarbarian posted:Cos he just gets baited into dumbass arguments too easily and embarrasses himself. Nothing like what you were suggesting. He gets baited into dumbass arguments like telling black people they should go back home when cops murder a guy for no reason?
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May 18, 2021 18:30
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Seriously, how are you all not aware of how enamored David Simon is with the police? You know that scene where McNulty and Bunk solve a cold case while only saying “gently caress?” That’s him reveling in how awesome the police are! They just keep saying “gently caress!”
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May 18, 2021 18:36
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Okay, so the lesson of The Wire and David Simon is that the police are worse than worthless and should be abolished. Whether it be The System or individual cops like Bunk and McNulty, the police are unreformable.
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May 18, 2021 19:04
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DrVenkman posted:Maybe you should watch it and draw your own conclusion instead of asking the thread to choose it's own adventure. I have watched it. It sucks. Edit: it’s not so much that it sucks as it is that it’s not nearly as good as people say it is. Slamhound fucked around with this message at 19:13 on May 18, 2021 |
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May 18, 2021 19:09
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I feel bad, but I always hated Charles Grodin.
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May 18, 2021 19:37
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Simone Magus posted:"Everyone knows all cops are bastards. What my show presupposes is... maybe they're not?" Sounds like copaganda to me.
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May 20, 2021 14:56
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Simone Magus posted:I wish I could watch Brooklyn 99 without feeling icky The decision to animate seems like a purely COVID one which is helped by the show being mostly static conversations in isolated spaces. But if it’s literally a cartoon, I may give it a try.
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May 20, 2021 15:37
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X-O posted:I get the point about children being fed the wrong messages when they are young but that doesn't just apply to the morality of cop shows or even TV in a broader sense. I don't care who you are, you're indoctrinated as a child with some kind of wrong message. Everyone is. The point is that you grow up learn it's either wrong or a fantasy. I can easily enjoy cop shows because I know they're not real and I don't need them to be real. Sure it's great that some do reflect reality but I'm a grown person that enjoys entertainment as just that sometimes. I can enjoy Brooklyn Nine-Nine just as much as I can enjoy watching something like Friday The 13th. Doesn't mean I'm pro hockey masked killers at summer camps butchering teenagers. Sounds like copaganda to me.
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May 20, 2021 16:43
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X-O posted:Your gimmick is stale. Is it? Is it really?
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May 20, 2021 17:05
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zoux posted:Here's the crux of my problem, this copaganda thing is just another furtherance of the idea that the most important quality by which a piece of art must be evaluated is its ethical position. It's just as absurd as ideas that depictions of unwed motherhood on television leads to sinful promiscuity among women, or portraying homosexuality neutrally or non-negatively furthers a harmful gay agenda. It's Puritanical sanctimony, just from the other direction, and I'm exhausted by having to constantly read people talk about shows in terms of if the characters are "good or bad people". The problems with policing in America are not caused by CSI:Miami. You might as well ban the local news - as we know that massively increases a persons perception of the amount of crime and violence in the world, which probably does more to create this desire of necessarily hard-on-crime law enforcement than every cop show combined. Jesus loving Christ.
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May 20, 2021 21:46
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Wilhelm E. Wonkazashi, III. I certainly look forward to this tremendous reimagining where the titular character comes to realize that I don’t know some kind of bullshit and who wants any of this and who even asked for it in the first loving place? And isn’t this nutsack already Paul Atreides?
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May 24, 2021 17:16
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Regy Rusty posted:whoops It wasn’t bad, but nah. They never even got near the fireworks factory.
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May 28, 2021 02:50
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Aardvark! posted:Are either of these shows similar to Dispatches from Elsewhere? Because I thought that show was kind of... Wanky. I haven’t seen John From Cincinnati, but Lodge 49 was similar to Dispatches From Elsewhere. I loved them both. Lodge 49 was a little more laid back.
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Jun 7, 2021 19:36
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Well, they’re both kind of surrealist narratives about alienation and community in the modern world. DFE is more focused because it relies on what’s basically a scavenger hunt, whereas Lodge 49 meanders and sprawls a bit. They both have a sense of whimsy that’s informed by genuine pathos. I think Dispatches is likely more off-putting (especially the finale), but if someone mostly liked it, Lodge 49 would be right up their alley.
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Jun 7, 2021 19:55
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bull3964 posted:Binge up through season 5 and put the rest on a lowkey once or twice a week watch? Not everything needs to be a binge until you finish it. This is the best advice.
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Jun 9, 2021 19:32
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It was also an X-Files episode where Darin Morgan played the inseminating creep and had a tail.
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Jun 14, 2021 21:34
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Chef Boyardeez Nuts posted:Rewatching Letterkenny and oh man hicks and Indians v. Nazis is the greatest poo poo ever. Philthy posted:There a specific term for this? A lot of successful people tend to think since they're really good at X, they will be good at Y and move on and generally fail hard. Some realize they were only ever supposed to do X for their entire lives and return, and the rest just get angry/confused/lost and continue to fail. See: Musicians, Game Devs, Traditional Artists, Politicians. I’ve been rewatching Dirk Gently and it’s a shame Landis was an rear end in a top hat because its such a great show. I’m on season 2 and I totally forgot about Tina Tevetino. The entire cast is amazing.
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Jun 16, 2021 19:10
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Chef Boyardeez Nuts posted:S'goden. S'dothis. I also realized that we haven’t seen Gus in a few seasons. Hope he’s okay, he’s on the home stretch.
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Jun 16, 2021 19:43
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Seriously, Dirk Gently had hands-down the best villain-reveal speech ever: https://youtu.be/hU5g7IgaaQQ Spoilers, obviously.
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Jun 16, 2021 21:16
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DogsInSpace! posted:Absolutely and I can't think of a one that doesn't just go all out. Fiona Dourif was my favourite as the holistic assassin but really everyone was great.
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Jun 16, 2021 22:21
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Picard started well enough and the just sucked. DS9 is the last good Trek. The Orville is the only decent modem version. Lower Decks is not great.
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Jun 19, 2021 17:09
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Soup-to-nuts, Helix was a Goddamned mess. And not in a good way even though it had some good bits.
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Jun 27, 2021 11:00
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The driver’s ed/table was great, but unusual in that it had a legitimate explanation.
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Jul 7, 2021 15:03
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Escobarbarian posted:For some reason that made it even funnier for me
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Jul 7, 2021 18:18
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zoux posted:I wonder if Sam and Dean ever saw any of those fuckers doing a big cum 
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Jul 7, 2021 22:19
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Ramrod Hotshot posted:Is Carnivale worth watching the whole way through? I'm on episode 6 or 7, and its generally pretty good but it feels like the kind of thing where mysteries are set up but never resolved. And it probably doesn't help that it was cancelled early.
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Jul 26, 2021 02:53
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Two episodes in and Surreal Estate isn't bad. I almost ignored it entirely because I thought it was one of these pseudo-reality TV show about haunted houses, but turns out it's an X-Files type show. It also took me until the second episode to recognize the lead is Doc Holiday without the beard. Dude gets a decent amount of work.
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Jul 26, 2021 06:58
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Thank God. He had just gotten triples of the Nova (triples is best).
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Hakkesshu posted:Is Luther a good show? I feel like just based on the individual parts that it should be, but it is not something I ever really see many people really be passionate about online or ever bring up in a discussion about shows to watch. I watched the first season. Meh. A lot of people here seemed to like it.
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