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LionArcher
Mar 29, 2010


Does Search Party get less mean? Because holy poo poo these people are loving awful three episodes into season 1. Like, I'm down with terrible people if they're funny (HIMYM, You're the Worst, it's always Sunny, Archer) but like gently caress man. So much comedy isn't so much funny as it's, these people are loving terrible. Maybe slightly less than you, so you can both feel better about yourself and laugh, even though ever one of these people you would never want to talk to again after going on one bad date with!

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LionArcher
Mar 29, 2010


Nundizo posted:

Donald just posted this to his instagram story



Well that just bumped up to top 3 most incepted show to come.

(Wheel of Time and Last Of Us are the other two).

LionArcher
Mar 29, 2010


Watching the unnaturals on Netflix. Shows kind of nuts. Good cast. 2 episodes in glad itís apparently been renewed.

LionArcher
Mar 29, 2010


Escobarbarian posted:

I think they mean The Irregulars

Yep lol. Late night typo

LionArcher
Mar 29, 2010


A bunch of creatives on twitter are jealous/mad at how much they are spending, and joking about how if they only had 10 million what they could do with it. I personally am more worried wish some of that budget will go to the superior book series they've bought, Wheel Of Time, which requires a big budget to do right anyway.

LionArcher
Mar 29, 2010


GreenNight posted:

I just don't give a poo poo about fantasy shows that takes place 1000 years before what I've already seen. LOTR, GoT.

At least Wheel of Time is new.

And also has one of the greatest fantasy series endings of all time. (As in Sanderson and Jordon actually stuck the landing, which is nuts.) GRRM never will and that's kind of funny.

LionArcher
Mar 29, 2010



Well poo poo. Will be hard to watch persons of Interest again anytime soon.

LionArcher
Mar 29, 2010


muscles like this! posted:

I assume this is especially true with some of those later books where basically nothing happens.

This is book 10. Itís book 11 on that gets very good again, and the last two are up there in quality of the first 5.

LionArcher
Mar 29, 2010


SimonChris posted:

Having finished Shadow and Bone, I think my main problem with the show is that they have combined plots from two different book series, and one is way more interesting than the other:

Plot A: Magic teenager from humble origins is the chosen one who must save the world.

Plot B: Ocean's Eleven in fantasy Amsterdam, featuring a diverse cast of lovable rogues with hearts of gold who carry the show on their shoulders (along with their emotional support goat).





It's no contest, really.

Plot A is still reasonably entertaining, as these things go, but I would have happily traded it away for more Gangs of Magic Amsterdam. I hope they do a proper Six of Crows season later.

The support cast ( and very Tropy prisoner love story with very loveable actors) are so drat good. Main chosen one has very good chemistry with both love interests which is nice, but the general being who he is does a lot of the heavy lifting with his acting too.

LionArcher
Mar 29, 2010


Hughmoris posted:

It's been 10+ years since I read any of the books... but that is not how I envisioned Lan. That said, my mind is open and I'm excited to see what they come up with.

Also, way to have the same one-liners as one of the biggest Fantasy shows ever.

If they don't gently caress it up (and at least with the cast they've done a killer job) this will be better and bigger than GOT. Because this actually has a good ending and much, much better character arcs.

LionArcher
Mar 29, 2010


Prodigal son has been canceled at Fox. The quality per episode was drastically varied, but for a trashy show about serial killers and profilers it was definitely fun. Kind of sad about this one. It was the perfect show to catch up on a Saturday after skipping it for a few months if you were bored and cleaning the house.

LionArcher
Mar 29, 2010


Keyser_Soze posted:

that's what the Blacklist is for kill me

Blacklist only has 2 good actors. PS has like 5.

LionArcher
Mar 29, 2010


nate fisher posted:

The guy saved The Expanse, so I give him a pass for all the other garbage (mostly) they have made. Wait he didnít renew The Patriot for season 3Ö. pass revoked

On the other hand, upload got a second season I think, and then was that a charming show that everybody seem to have forgotten about after it was over.

LionArcher
Mar 29, 2010


Simone Magus posted:

I get it, but at the same time, lol. Especially if it just tanks

It has Pike in it and a ton of young very good actors who at least one or two are going to blow up from it and a huge budget (but not so insanely big as LOTR) and out of the three fantasy shows it has the best world building and arguably the best "chosen one" story ever written, and the weakness of the books (over detailed scenes, books 7-10 needing an editor the stupid braid/skirt/smoothing/crap everyone always brings up) will not be filmed. Now the Lord of the rings show has some great writers working on it, but WOT has a far more interesting story to tell than LORD OF THE RINGS the prequel. And the online fantasy fans are freaking pumped.

It also has at least half a dozen battle/scenes that could make Avengers Endgame seem quaint if filmed properly. (And if they get to them).

LionArcher
Mar 29, 2010


Hacks is the latest case of a good show that is mislabeled as a comedy.

Itís trying to straddle that fleabag line, but doing that is loving hard and while the writers are good theyíre not as talented as PW.

Hollywood creatives are very depressed about a lot of things and most of them went to the same 6 universities and its starting toÖ show with a lot of the writing for a lot of these new
shows.

Smart is stunning as always though.

LionArcher
Mar 29, 2010


EL BROMANCE posted:

I liked it. Having Ava fall into the same rash reactionary behavior in the finale was a little annoying. Cmon character development!, I look forward to next season.

Oh, I like it. Everyone involved is good. Good to great even.

Itís just not as good as it thinks it is.

LionArcher
Mar 29, 2010


Escobarbarian posted:

Iím not 100% sure what that means, but I did like the final couple eps, even if they hit very familiar beats. I think 5-6 were probably the highlight, though.

Yeah it was a little glib. Iíll expand. First, I agree with you five and six are probably the highlight. Thereís a growing trend on entertainment industry is Twitter to call out things about equality and equity and balances on show writing staffs etc. but what is often not noted, and a few of the older show writers are actually now calling it out, is the fact that where the industry is looking for new writers who have ďnewĒ voices is from the same five or six universities theyíve always hired from. Theyíre just now hiring one or two women/people of color from those places.

The problem with this is that it still gives a very similar voice, even if itís from a different perspective. If you look at Eva, she feels written almost like a parody of a young white woman writer thatís on Twitter too much. They didnít even mention her age of 25 until I think episode five? When they did I was shocked. Because she constantly comes off as somebody who is about 30 and burning out of the industry, and somebody whoís about 21 right out of college. Now the actor playing her is doing a great job, itís the writing that just comes off asÖ inconsistent.

The last episode smart says to her, ďyouíre too good to quit,ď and I just didnít believe it. She was funny, and she was witty, but I didnít believe that she was some towering new voice of comedy. Smart on the other hand, absolutely feels like a living legend of a female comic.

I harp on the writing, because itís the same problem that academia has. Itís a relatively small group, and aside from evangelical Christians, Iíve never been around a group that is so convinced that they know whatís best. To a lesser degree, I would put TV writing in a similar category.

Of course the most unrealistic thing about the show was that she bought a townhouse in LA at 25. Even if she was starting to be staffed on TV shows at 20, as a lower level comedy writer I donít believe she should be able to afford it even after five years, unless she was incredibly frugal and smart with her money. The character that sheís being portrayed as does not have those traits.

LionArcher
Mar 29, 2010


SamBishop posted:

Jesus Christ, you couldn't be more right. Zero to a billion interest just because of him. I don't even normally give a poo poo about most casting, but I've been neck-deep in Reddick lately because of work and he is aural crack. I hang on his every word. If he did an Avery Brooks impression, I'm pretty sure it'd be some kind of mass hypnosis video.

That dude's hair is intentional. He has some kind of product in it, and he wanted it to look like that. I absolutely do not miss LA at all.

Dudes pretty cool. Sober, engaged to the actress who plays castles daughter from the show castle (Molly something). Pretty funny on Twitter.

LionArcher
Mar 29, 2010


Why is Ted Lasso not as good this season? Like some of it is doing well, but at this point Roy Kent is being written as a fantasy fan girl boyfriend more than a person? Ted dealing with his poo poo is fine but should have gotten there an episode or two ago, the team aspect seems super backseat to every episode focused on the love relationships...

It's not terrible, but it's not the A+ it was last season.

LionArcher
Mar 29, 2010


Billions continues to be brilliant and underrated.

LionArcher
Mar 29, 2010


nate fisher posted:

I donít know. I like it as a guilty pleasure, but it is nothing more than that no matter how hard it tries to be prestige television. The Chuck vs. Axe is to the point that it is just annoying this many seasons in. Axe keeps getting worse, and now it is impossible to route for him no matter the situation. I was hoping they would try new things (they did for a season), but I guess they will circle that drain until it is over.

I like it because itís showing at this point the corrosive nature of all of capitalism, but not in the obnoxious way thatís Succession does to make people feel better that the ruling class are all idiots. One of the things that makes Chuck interesting and incredibly annoying, is how heís constantly talking like heís auditioning to be a modern-day Hamilton. But the truth is, I know a lot of extremely well educated academic elite types that talk in a similar manner, and that think they are the superior ones to the those they ďprotectĒ and or ďrule overĒ.

The flipside is the ruthless but far more common approach that Axes and the others take. As the seasons have gone on, everybody has become less likable, in this last episode alone sort of shows that anyone in that orbit basically becomes tainted by the obsession with capitalism. In fact, the only reason Axe is likable again is because heís finally admitted he has feelings for someone that is a good pairing for him.

On the same side, Taylor whoís been an anchor of morality until recently has lost it, but the underlings people around them are finally painting a clear picture that all of its bad. Really, itís taking a much more realistic view of the entire system while not overdoing it.

I would say it needs one more season and then ends though. It canít keep going too much further.

LionArcher
Mar 29, 2010


Ugly In The Morning posted:

It was a bad episode on its own but it also was slotted in right as everything really got going and it just killed so much of the momentum of the final episodes for a bit. It was this absolutely baffling misstep in an otherwise really good season of TV.

And it's why season 3 of Stranger Things is arguable the best or at the very least a strong second season, and makes me very happy for the next season.

LionArcher
Mar 29, 2010


ONE YEAR LATER posted:

john Mulaney does the same thing and people are cool with him apparently, Hollywood is a land of contrasts

Chris also killed or abandoned pets that he didn't like got old. And his church bullshit is bad. I have family that goes to that kind of church. Modern born again Christianity in this country is basically a terrorist organization. If you could purge just those type of pastors, the planet would be a much better place.

LionArcher
Mar 29, 2010


Midnight mass is so good.

LionArcher
Mar 29, 2010


Escobarbarian posted:

Well, the scripts might be bad. Everything else will probably be killer, though.

Itís Craig M who really doesnít want to gently caress it up (he has talked about it on script notes) and druckman is writing it with him soÖ no, I doubt it.

On the other hand I was sure that season 2 of Ted lasso would be great and the writers are solidly loving it up, soÖ.

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LionArcher
Mar 29, 2010


AceOfFlames posted:

Boxleitner isn't and you can be sure he's going to demand a piece of this.

Hell, he could play President Clark since he already played an evil cryptofascist POTUS on Supergirl.

And heís a right wing major chud so itís not even really acting for him. He and Mr. Garibaldi would regularly show up on the Michael savage show. Garibaldi even ended up guest hosting for Michael savage at one point before becoming a talk show host on his own right.

Stoked about b 5 though. JMS is legit an awesome writer/geek.

LionArcher
Mar 29, 2010


Toxic Fart Syndrome posted:

There was apparently some executive who personally hated JMS and B5. That person has now retired, which is why it is suddenly on HBO in HD and now getting a reboot!

JMS is on Twitter all the time and very responsive, for better or worse.

He hasnít left his house in like 2 years because of COVID and is just an On the spectrum writer nerd. Heís kinda awesome honestly.

He also didnít get nearly enough credit for writing strong women they were multi dimensional in the 90s when everybody was fawning over josh Wedons writing of women

LionArcher
Mar 29, 2010



I mean, itís still good. But season 1 is lightening in a bottle great. Season 2 already has a half a dozen major flaws including a borderline (or just straight is ) a racist stereotype, a hugely problematic romance that is so tone deaf I canít believe they didnít see itís lovely, and when that wasnít enough they just threw in a boring love triangle because they donít know what to do with two or three of the characters.

LionArcher
Mar 29, 2010


ONE YEAR LATER posted:

Are you talking about the Dutch guy?

The psychologist. Sheís great, but thereís a common trope that poc teachers in media refer to as ďmagic n word characterĒ. I was not worried about the trope too much, but as the show has gone on sheís getting closer and closer to that, here to help everyone whoís white/main characters and then ride off into the sunset on her magically/umbrella-bike.

LionArcher
Mar 29, 2010


Medullah posted:

Evil is a fuckin weird rear end show

The Kings really are good at writing lead women who are truly unlikable. By the end of the Good wife she was the worst, and it only took two seasons to do the same with Evil.

Edit. This is not a criticism. It's actually impressive, and the actors are doing a killer job with weird as poo poo material.

LionArcher
Mar 29, 2010


GreenNight posted:

Topless women.

But not very male gazy at all.

LionArcher
Mar 29, 2010


Anybody watch Dave Cís new special?

LionArcher
Mar 29, 2010


I want y the last man to get more seasons to fix their issues.

LionArcher
Mar 29, 2010


Hawkperson posted:

I've only watched the first ep, what's the issues and is it worth continuing

Y and agent 355 is the best plot line in the show and holding down the episodes. The rest of the plot lines are.... not nearly as good.

LionArcher
Mar 29, 2010


OnlyBans posted:

Is Chapelle wearing a Vinylon suit in this special?

I think so.

Trans creators at Netflix and others are on Twitter wanting them to pull the special.

LionArcher
Mar 29, 2010


Mu Zeta posted:

There was a golden age of nerd shows where Lost, Heroes, Veronica Mars, Stargate, and Battlestar Galactica were all airing at once and they were actually kind of good. I swear at one point my Fridays was 4 hours of Stargate and then Battlestar. And Mondays was Lost and Heroes. Save the cheerleader, save the world

Also the jack Bauer power hour.

LionArcher
Mar 29, 2010


Shageletic posted:

But the Wire, Sopranos and less closely linked, Mad Men, are the best shows that's ever been on TV. And Mad Men ended a decade ago

If you're a boomer sure, but what if I've watched all of them and would only put the Wire in that list for myself? Taste is subjective and all that. I'd honestly take the Good Wife over the Soprano's. I mean poo poo, I would argue there's limited tv show runs (The haunting of Hill house, Watchman, Queen's Gambit) that should be on the top 20 list because they are very, very good at what they are, and do it more efficiently than a lot of the older shows that have more "prestige". I haven't even gotten to Halt and Catch Fire, and am still behind on seasons of the American's, two other shows everyone say land well.

TV as a medium evolves. There is just in general more good stuff today than 20+ years ago.

Except kids shows, because nothing now is as good as Gargoyles or Batman the animated series.

Also, "best shows" lists always focus on Drama. If we're talking comedy, in the last fifteen years we've got Community, Don't trust the b in apartment, Happy Endings, not to mention parks and rec and the office as strong contenders for best comedies ever, or at the very least on the short list.

LionArcher
Mar 29, 2010


Mu Zeta posted:

Batman TAS is great stuff but I think Avatar and Korra surpassed it especially if you're an actual kid.

I forgot about those. Okay those are right up there too. Korra's got enough issues (and I like it) that it doesn't beat Batman, but Avatar probably ties it for sure.

LionArcher
Mar 29, 2010


Hawkperson posted:

Gravity Falls and Ducktales 2017 are pretty fuckin good too

Gravity Falls I'm biased against because I know stuff about the show from behind the scenes. (Love the first season though).

Ducktales I have not watched.

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LionArcher
Mar 29, 2010


Shageletic posted:

I'd agree on this, but then again it ends somewhat ambigiously in its second season and didn't get the chance to finish as strongly or thoroughly as Made Men or the Sopranos.

I do need to check out Halt.

Queen's Gambit is one of the best shows ever? Watchmen, that ended with a shrug at best?

It's hard to think of drama shows that ended as well or made consistently as excellent as a handful of TV shows collectively running through 2001-2009. And I think that's kinda odd.

We're all mega TV watchers here. Seriously if you have a show that can dethrone them put them forward, but youre a)gonna find most ppl have seen them here, and b) they don't necessarily agree. The argument its about not getting publicity is kinda spacious in a thread which exists to share shows they love and want to evangelize for.

Again, opinions. I think Queen's Gambit was a very good character study of a fantasy style character, and did several things with relationships/friendships very, very well. The music was fantastic as well. The Sopranos is great if you're a boomer who likes character study's of gangster poo poo, and has very weak female characters. But again, that's my opinion. And Watchman sure as hell stuck the landing.

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