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Jose Oquendo
Jun 20, 2004

Star Trek: The Motion Picture is a boring movie

Endless Trash posted:

I hope this is the worst year ever for the film industry :cheers:

I don't know about the film industry but theater chains are absolutely hosed beyond hope.

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Jose Oquendo
Jun 20, 2004

Star Trek: The Motion Picture is a boring movie

Fojar38 posted:

Seeing your avatar scared me more than the entirety of the conjuring film series

Same. I can’t even imagine how bad the thread would have been with KM coming in to beg for money and make it about them.

Jose Oquendo
Jun 20, 2004

Star Trek: The Motion Picture is a boring movie

The Miami Vice pilot is so loving good.

Jose Oquendo
Jun 20, 2004

Star Trek: The Motion Picture is a boring movie

priznat posted:

It's just weird because so many shows from the 80s look goddamn terrible now, perhaps it was the transfer to tv station vhs/beta/whatever tapes?

Also did they shoot it widescreen in 84 or is it just cropped on the youtube?

Nah it was shot 4:3. If you can track down the blu-rays, check it out. It looks amazing. Miami really pops. It’s a groundbreaking show. At least check out the first two seasons. They’re really good. If you can’t get the blu-rays, it’s free on Peacock.

PostNouveau posted:

What the gently caress? This was a 1980s police procedural?

I wouldn’t call it a procedural. I would say it’s more about how hosed up Crockett is because of his job.

PostNouveau posted:

Oh, so they shot it like "maybe it's a TV movie if it doesn't get picked up"

The show was never in that sort of state. It was pretty common for a drama to premiere with a two-parter aired back to back, essentially making it a movie length single episode.

Jose Oquendo fucked around with this message at 06:10 on Jan 7, 2021

Jose Oquendo
Jun 20, 2004

Star Trek: The Motion Picture is a boring movie
The Miami Vice TV show was a huge deal for both TV and American pop culture.

It was one of the first shows to really incorporate current music into the show in order to set a mood or as part of the story telling. It was such a huge deal that the TV listings for the show would also include the songs featured in that week's episode.

The stories themselves were somewhat different for the time. The cops were hosed up and not always portrayed as 'the good guys.'

The look at feel of the show is something that had never really been seen before. It was one of the coolest looking shows ever.

The show turned guys (at least in the US) onto things like Italian fashion. Everyone on the show was hip and cool. People wanted that. Men went out and bought Armani suits and poo poo like that. Wahl even sold a product called the "Miami Device." It was an electric razor preset to leave you with some stubble so you'd get that Crockett 5 o'clock shadow.


The movie looks loving amazing. Mann is a master at shooting on digital. He uses it to do things not easily done on film. There's some issues with the ending (which if what I've read is true is Foxx's fault) and some of the other plot elements, but the I love the way the movie feels.

I love Michael Mann movies. Manhunter is in my top 5 movies ever. Thief, The Keep, Heat, Collateral, Ali, The Insider. All amazing movies. Even his lesser ones are fine

Jose Oquendo
Jun 20, 2004

Star Trek: The Motion Picture is a boring movie

rydiafan posted:

I mostly love that movie, but it has the most horrific "blue day for night" I've ever seen.

If you're referring to the bedroom scene, that's an intentional lighting choice.


priznat posted:

Manhunter slaps and Brian Cox is a great Lecter.

Innagadavida, baybeeeeee (that scene ruuuuuules)

Tom Noonan as Dollarhyde is scary as gently caress

You'd have to dig through CD, but there's a really good thread in there comparing Manhunter to Red Dragon.

Jose Oquendo
Jun 20, 2004

Star Trek: The Motion Picture is a boring movie

Weirdo posted:

edit: all this michael mann talk, and no one posted the downtown heat shootout scene. Getting to see this on a big screen as a teenager was pretty loving tight. Michael Mann has always had great use of music

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZL9fnVtz_lc

If you like Heat/Mann, check out LA Takedown. It's his 1989 TV movie based off the same screenplay (by Mann) for Heat and directed by him, so it's near identical to Heat. It's like a beta version of Heat.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67GQrmY59rg

Skip to 1:04 for the shootout. It's not as good as Heat of course, but it's still pretty violent for a TV movie back then.

Jose Oquendo fucked around with this message at 19:06 on Jan 8, 2021

Jose Oquendo
Jun 20, 2004

Star Trek: The Motion Picture is a boring movie

Weirdo posted:

Cheers! Love finding gems like these from directors.

I forgot to mention, the screenplay is Mann's and this movie was directed by him as well. It's like a beta version of Heat.

Jose Oquendo
Jun 20, 2004

Star Trek: The Motion Picture is a boring movie
My favorite part of the gunfight is when they walk out of the bank, Val Kilmer is in a good mood, he looks up, sees the cops, and his entire demeanor and body language changes. Instantly. No moment of hesitation or doubt. He just start shooting. Rockin and rollin as Pacino said in the beginning of the movie.

Jose Oquendo
Jun 20, 2004

Star Trek: The Motion Picture is a boring movie

Basticle posted:

A while ago I had this Michael Mann book (I'm not even sure where it's at now) but I scanned a few pages for TFR once upon a time.









Do you know the name of that book? I fuckin want it. Like right now.

Jose Oquendo
Jun 20, 2004

Star Trek: The Motion Picture is a boring movie

Basticle posted:

Michael Mann by F.X. Feeney published by Taschen (a high end German art book publisher) It's out of print so the only one on amazon is $112 and theres one on ebay for $64 but this website has a used copy for like $26 shipped from Germany

*edit* theres a new, listed as "Sealed" one for $1699 on ebay :wtc:

Thanks goon. I ordered that one from Germany!

Jose Oquendo
Jun 20, 2004

Star Trek: The Motion Picture is a boring movie

Basticle posted:

I hope it's not too late or a problem but it's entirely possible that copy is written in German, idk :shrug:

*edit* checked the ISBN, that's the German-language version, oops

Thanks for looking out for me. I cancelled it. It was either that or learn german.

Jose Oquendo
Jun 20, 2004

Star Trek: The Motion Picture is a boring movie

Groovelord Neato posted:

I've always thought it was depressing that books as lovely as the Martian and Ready Player One got adapted by all-time directors then remembered Jaws and the Godfather aren't great books.

"But the book is always better than the movie"

Jose Oquendo
Jun 20, 2004

Star Trek: The Motion Picture is a boring movie

priznat posted:

Got me thinking, what is the best book/movie combo? In that both are good/great.

I would say the LotR books/movies but probably other better examples that are not as blockbuster-y.

This isn't probably what you had in mind, but Moneyball is a great book and movie in my opinion.

Jose Oquendo
Jun 20, 2004

Star Trek: The Motion Picture is a boring movie

Gripweed posted:

A lot of time that isn't true

I was saying that jokingly. I even put it in quotation marks for you.

Jose Oquendo
Jun 20, 2004

Star Trek: The Motion Picture is a boring movie

Bloody Hedgehog posted:

I was just thinking too how on any ST show, the bridge crew and a few ancillary characters are the heart of the show. In Disco, I don't know the names of just about everyone on the bridge. There's Burnham, Saru, Detmer, and.... and.... uhhhh......

So true. The only characters that we reallllly know anything about are Burnham and Saru. All we know about Tilly is that she's not very confident in herself. Then you've got the black bridge dude, black bridge lady, bridge lady with robot eyes that drives the ship, gay engineer who does magic mushrooms, and the gay doctor. I couldn't tell you their names if you put a gun to my head. We also don't know poo poo about them. I'm all about a diverse case but FFS can we give them personalities?

Jose Oquendo
Jun 20, 2004

Star Trek: The Motion Picture is a boring movie

Raskolnikov38 posted:

god loving damnit, saru being the captain was the only thing about this season i was even vaguely interested in lmao

It leaves it open ended for season 4.

Jose Oquendo
Jun 20, 2004

Star Trek: The Motion Picture is a boring movie

Firstborn posted:

There is a hint of the vatican on the desk there in the trailer. And I think it'll probably be peak fit Indy instead of MGS4 Old Snake Indy (this would be good too, unironically).

Considering it's done by the Wolfenstein guys, I expect more action than anything. Did you play TNO? Machine Games knows some cool and fun ways to kill nazis. While you may think this isn't a great time, I don't think it's been a bigger fantasy to sock a Nazi in his jaw since at least WWII.

I hope the action is good. Youngblood wasn't great from what I've seen and read. I thought New Colossus was ok? The actual gameplay was ok but it felt like they focused more on the story than the actual game. The New Order and the Old Blood were really solid though.

Jose Oquendo
Jun 20, 2004

Star Trek: The Motion Picture is a boring movie

PostNouveau posted:

Is it funny?

It's funny in that it intentionally does sitcom style jokes.

From what I can tell Wanda and possibly Vision (depending on when this takes place) were captured and are in some sort of Matrix or Inception like dream-state/fake reality and are living out this sitcom thing. Whether the sitcom setting is being manufactured by Wanda's subconscious or being intentionally done by the bad guy I don't know yet.

Jose Oquendo
Jun 20, 2004

Star Trek: The Motion Picture is a boring movie

Victis posted:

Didn't alternate reality Loki scamper off, I assume that's the deal there

Yeah the trailer for the show indicates as such.

Jose Oquendo
Jun 20, 2004

Star Trek: The Motion Picture is a boring movie
Unless Trump somehow is still making money off Home Alone 2, editing him out is the dumbest performative thing to do.

Jose Oquendo
Jun 20, 2004

Star Trek: The Motion Picture is a boring movie

Gutcruncher posted:

drat you’re right we should change art after the fact as public opinion changes.

That's a big part of it, and it's an empty, meaningless gesture. This would only happen so Fox/Disney could gain some favor with the public. The people who would decide whether or not to cut the scene are the same people who donated to all the different conservative/Republican groups that help put Trump in power, and they'll continue to make those donations in the future.

Jose Oquendo
Jun 20, 2004

Star Trek: The Motion Picture is a boring movie

Galewolf posted:

I mean, I wasted money on some dumb poo poo but holy moly Disneyland Year Pass? I know some friends that traveled overseas for multiple trips in the span of couple of years but Jaysus H Christ @ that.

Disneyland is right in the middle of a city. Most of the people who go to the park and those who get annual passes people are locals. The passes for CA residents can be a good deal even if you just go few times a year.

Jose Oquendo
Jun 20, 2004

Star Trek: The Motion Picture is a boring movie

Galewolf posted:

Be that as it may, isn't it a tourist trap in the first place. What's the benefit of going there more than once or, hell, twice.

If you have children,it might be a good (?) thing but I am trying hard to come up with a reason for an adult going there multiple times a year.

I wouldn't call it a tourist trap. It's literally one of the best theme parks in the world. It's the one the rest are all modeled after. Some people really enjoy those things and if you're local, it can be a fun thing to do through out the year. There's always seasonal things going on to get you coming back.

Jose Oquendo
Jun 20, 2004

Star Trek: The Motion Picture is a boring movie
Jarhead: Jar Harder.

Jose Oquendo
Jun 20, 2004

Star Trek: The Motion Picture is a boring movie
Jesus fuckin christ. Stuff like that just totally undermines some of the messages and themes of the movie.

Jose Oquendo
Jun 20, 2004

Star Trek: The Motion Picture is a boring movie
Completely unrelated to the recent posts in this thread, I just watched Goodfellas, Casino, and The Departed.

Goodfellas is definitely the best of them. It has so many good scenes. The famous single shot of Henry and Karen entering the Copa. Tommy's "How am I funny" scene, Tommy getting whacked, the montage of everyone involved with the heist getting whacked, the whole Sunday May 11 sequence. It's great. Paul Sorvino is always a delight as well.

Casino feels a bit more traditional in its approach. The characters are all great and the movie goes by at a quick pace. You don't feel the runtime at all. Don Rickles is loving amazing in it.

The Departed is good but a few things really prevent it from being in that top tier Scorsese. The fake CGI blood is so loving bad. Normally, it doesn't bother me in a movie but it's so bad here you can't help but notice it and laugh. Scorsese is known for making great use of music in his movies but in this he uses Shipping Up to Boston TWICE. What the hell man. Don't do that. While watching it yesterday, I wished we got inside Colin Sullivan's (Damon) head a little more. We know why Billy (DiCaprio) does what he does and we see what it's doing to him, but we never really get that with Sullivan. The only thing we really learn about him is that he might be gay(?). Jack Nicholson is amazing in this movie as always.



Yvonmukluk posted:

So Lower Decks is now on Amazon Prime, for anyone who wants to Trek some more Stars.

I wonder if they're going to do a Re:view for it. Didn't Mike & Rich like the Orville?

Then again, have they ever covered animation outside of BoTW before?


Are you not in the US? Here it's available on Prime but it still requires a CBS Sub.

Jose Oquendo
Jun 20, 2004

Star Trek: The Motion Picture is a boring movie

There's things that imply it. His relationship with the shrink appears to be a cover. Alec Baldwin tells him it's good to get married so people don't think "he's a homo." Damon jokes about his dick working fine wrt to women. Damon won't let her leave photos out, which is weird, like he doesn't really want her there. There's a couple other things I can't remember off the top of my head.

Jose Oquendo
Jun 20, 2004

Star Trek: The Motion Picture is a boring movie

Quantum of Phallus posted:

The departed stinks

I think there's some good stuff in it. DiCaprio and Nicholson are realllllly good in it but I totally understand why a person would say it stinks.

Jose Oquendo
Jun 20, 2004

Star Trek: The Motion Picture is a boring movie

A HORNY SWEARENGEN posted:

Unseen: Silence, Alice Doesn't Live Here Anymore, Last Waltz, Age of Innocence, Rolling Thunder Revue

Unrelated but if you've never seen Rolling Thunder with William Devane and Tommy Lee Jones, do it. It's really loving good.

Jose Oquendo
Jun 20, 2004

Star Trek: The Motion Picture is a boring movie

hemale in pain posted:

I don't get the praise for speed racer. Its just a colourful kids film? I've watched it and barely remember it. Maybe you need nostaliga for the anime or something.

Master and commander is great though

My boomer dad fuckin loved the Speed Racer cartoon as a kid. He was so excited for the live action movie and was sooooo disappointed when he saw it.

It's not a good movie unless you have CineD brain.

Jose Oquendo
Jun 20, 2004

Star Trek: The Motion Picture is a boring movie

Andrew Verse posted:

I used to watch it all the time because it was on at one of those time slots when nothing else was (only access to three channels at the time, not much to choose from). It was decent enough, but nothing special. The only real thing I remember from it is that one of the moms later went onto be the main love interest lady in Third Rock from the Sun.

That's Jane Curtain, one of the original SNL cast members. She's incredibly funny and talented.

Jose Oquendo
Jun 20, 2004

Star Trek: The Motion Picture is a boring movie

stephenthinkpad posted:

What happened to Wanda and Vision in the Avenger movies? My only recollection of them was some European city setting and then hobo Cap showed up.

They are somewhat important in Infinity War since Vision has one of the gems. He bites it in the end. I can't remember if either of them are in Endgame though.

Jose Oquendo
Jun 20, 2004

Star Trek: The Motion Picture is a boring movie

He's so loving good in this.

Jose Oquendo
Jun 20, 2004

Star Trek: The Motion Picture is a boring movie

Rod Hoofhearted posted:

Yeah, I never caught that, or at least I don’t remember it.

It's his big monologue.

"There was this kid I grew up with; he was younger than me. Sorta looked up to me, you know. We did our first work together, worked our way out of the street. Things were good, we made the most of it. During Prohibition, we ran molasses into Canada... made a fortune, your father, too. As much as anyone, I loved him and trusted him. Later on he had an idea to build a city out of a desert stop-over for GI's on the way to the West Coast. That kid's name was Moe Greene, and the city he invented was Las Vegas. This was a great man, a man of vision and guts. And there isn't even a plaque, or a signpost or a statue of him in that town! Someone put a bullet through his eye. No one knows who gave the order. When I heard it, I wasn't angry; I knew Moe, I knew he was head-strong, talking loud, saying stupid things. So when he turned up dead, I let it go. And I said to myself, this is the business we've chosen; I didn't ask who gave the order, because it had nothing to do with business!"

Groovelord Neato posted:

It's funny Roth is some guy Vito had been working with forever but we've never heard of which is also the case with Pentangeli as some long term close associate of the film (though that was because Clemenza's actor wanted control over his character and they said no so he didn't appear in the sequel).

I don't really see a problem or what's weird about it. The Corleone empire is huge, even at that point. Even in the time of the first movie, they are known even out on the west coast. Of course he's going to have associates that we didn't see in the first movie.

Jose Oquendo fucked around with this message at 05:11 on Feb 7, 2021

Jose Oquendo
Jun 20, 2004

Star Trek: The Motion Picture is a boring movie

Galewolf posted:

Lmao, yeah, it seems like his name was Rocco (the airport guy)

Ugh,

Okay, I had to open Godfather Wiki for this:

-Busetta: The one tried to kill Roth in the bed
-Rocco: Killed Roth in the airport
-Al Neri: The one who killed Fredo in the fishing boat.

Al Neri is also in part 3. He kills Archbishop Gilday at the end of the movie.

Jose Oquendo
Jun 20, 2004

Star Trek: The Motion Picture is a boring movie

Castor Poe posted:

First time I saw Silence of the Lambs, I thought, "Wow, I hope we get a prequel tv series that shows Clarice growing up on that farm someday". Thanks Alex Kurtzman for ruining everything you touch, you fuckstick.

I think they've been trying to get a Clarice Starling show going for at least a decade. The last one I remember was supposed to be on Lifetime.



It's true. I looked at the cast and except for Clarice and Buffalo Bill everyone else is a 'new' character.

Jose Oquendo
Jun 20, 2004

Star Trek: The Motion Picture is a boring movie

Randarkman posted:

So they're going to do Silence of the Lambs without Hannibal Lecter?

It takes place after Silence of the Lambs so he's still on the lam.

Jose Oquendo
Jun 20, 2004

Star Trek: The Motion Picture is a boring movie

Chef Boyardeez Nuts posted:

Yeah, I recall without remorse being about Clancy's Marine Todd insert, an aging white *~OPERATOR~* who gets called back into the game.

Edit: I hope MBJ gets over 'Nam

Yeah it’s John Clark’s ‘origin story.’ Probably won’t be a Vietnam vet, but something something Iraq or Afghanistan. I do wonder if it connects to the Jack Ryan Chris Pine movie or the Jim From The Office TV show

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Jose Oquendo
Jun 20, 2004

Star Trek: The Motion Picture is a boring movie

luchajones posted:

gently caress Dutch Angles! We need more Kung Fu Zooms!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMhjXPQMZPI

RIP El Rey

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