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CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

The blue glow is a feature, not a bug


Pillbug
Yeah A-10 now has wing upgrades and enough retired spares to last well past 2045. Fucker will never die.

I know when I separated the E-8s were losing 4 to the boneyard and the new testbed was kinda not planning out. I suspect it'll hang around in small numbers for a while, or at least until the rest of the airframes break their backs like the ones going to the boneyard. As it is they were looking at engine replacements but had issues with the new turbofans getting in the way of the radar's side sweep

CommieGIR fucked around with this message at 02:56 on Oct 15, 2021

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Godholio
Aug 28, 2002

Does a bear split in the woods near Zheleznogorsk?
I'll be very, very surprised if any JSTARS are flying at the end of this decade. It's less of an "if" decision than a "how soon" decision at this point. Robins and the GAANG is already fighting for unrelated replacement missions.

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

The blue glow is a feature, not a bug


Pillbug

Godholio posted:

I'll be very, very surprised if any JSTARS are flying at the end of this decade. It's less of an "if" decision than a "how soon" decision at this point. Robins and the GAANG is already fighting for unrelated replacement missions.

Yeah I'd be surprised of the airframes last much longer, they were already getting pretty bad when I left, like I said literal cracks in the airframe.

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

The blue glow is a feature, not a bug


Pillbug
https://twitter.com/GordyPls/status/1449172959508135936?s=20

Sacrist65
Mar 24, 2007
Frunnkiss

Godholio posted:

The E-8s are approaching the end of their useful lives so quickly that the AF is going to junk them without even a good idea of what the replacement will be (I suspect the E-3's timeline is slightly better, but not far behind).

its weird that this could also describe the paygrades

Godholio
Aug 28, 2002

Does a bear split in the woods near Zheleznogorsk?
They've still got room to climb.

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

The blue glow is a feature, not a bug


Pillbug
Chief, no....no....

Godholio
Aug 28, 2002

Does a bear split in the woods near Zheleznogorsk?
552 OG/CC at Tinker got reassigned to "other duties on the base."

AFStealth
Jun 24, 2006

Shut up baby, I know it

Godholio posted:

552 OG/CC at Tinker got reassigned to "other duties on the base."

I'm surprised the AF actually fired him.

Godholio
Aug 28, 2002

Does a bear split in the woods near Zheleznogorsk?
It got a lot of attention. If not for someone recording it, there's no way anybody would've given a poo poo. The WG/CC's reaction was to say it was a misunderstanding, but all the eyes on it left 15AF in a bind.

I don't know Donovan, but my hot take is that he just happened to be the one standing when the music stopped. Tinker's been like this forever, and will continue to be so because nothing has actually been changed by removing this cog from the machine.

antimatt
Sep 12, 2007

ultima ratio regum

CommieGIR posted:

Yeah A-10 now has wing upgrades and enough retired spares to last well past 2045. Fucker will never die.

They found a supply of new gun barrels?

(edit) Also holy gently caress is figuring out a retirement date complex if your calendar doesn't line up like a cheap horoscope. Quick answer is first day of the month after your 20 year point or ADSC, and apparently they're more than happy to extend you to meet that date.

antimatt fucked around with this message at 16:07 on Nov 14, 2021

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

The blue glow is a feature, not a bug


Pillbug

antimatt posted:

They found a supply of new gun barrels?

(edit) Also holy gently caress is figuring out a retirement date complex if your calendar doesn't line up like a cheap horoscope. Quick answer is first day of the month after your 20 year point or ADSC, and apparently they're more than happy to extend you to meet that date.

I suspect replacement gunbarrels is why they retired a bunch of them to keep at the boneyard. But I have no doubt if the USAF put in a requirement to replace the barrels they'd find someone in no time.

antimatt
Sep 12, 2007

ultima ratio regum

CommieGIR posted:

I suspect replacement gunbarrels is why they retired a bunch of them to keep at the boneyard. But I have no doubt if the USAF put in a requirement to replace the barrels they'd find someone in no time.

You'd think that but it was a problem in 2013 and apparently was being used as leverage to retire them. Or at least a reason beyond wing spars and whatever else the mafia could drum up.

Who knows. One might imagine barrels are cheap and the short tail...

All I know is warthog go brrrrrrrrrrrrrr. (it's super loud in person, nothing else like it)

AFStealth
Jun 24, 2006

Shut up baby, I know it

Godholio posted:

It got a lot of attention. If not for someone recording it, there's no way anybody would've given a poo poo. The WG/CC's reaction was to say it was a misunderstanding, but all the eyes on it left 15AF in a bind.

I don't know Donovan, but my hot take is that he just happened to be the one standing when the music stopped. Tinker's been like this forever, and will continue to be so because nothing has actually been changed by removing this cog from the machine.

This is probably true. They can replace him with the 968/CC (or was it the DO?) that called his deployed crews traitors for cancelling a sortie over safety concerns. Or something to that effect.

Godholio
Aug 28, 2002

Does a bear split in the woods near Zheleznogorsk?
Didn't hear about that one...but depending on when it occurred it might even be the same guy. He did his DO tour at a CRC though.

You don't fix lovely culture by replacing one mid-level leadership cog.

antimatt
Sep 12, 2007

ultima ratio regum

Godholio posted:

You don't fix lovely culture by replacing one mid-level leadership cog.

Yeah but... What if you did?!?

edit: like over and over, forever!

Godholio
Aug 28, 2002

Does a bear split in the woods near Zheleznogorsk?
Madness. Can't admit there's a systemic problem underlying the system that elevated you.

antimatt
Sep 12, 2007

ultima ratio regum

Godholio posted:

Madness. Can't admit there's a systemic problem underlying the system that elevated you.

Wise. Almost prescient.

Bummer.

Arc Light
Sep 26, 2013



New 36-2903 officially authorizes standing and walking with hands in pockets, walking while drinking beverages, and various other things.

I'm assigned to an Army post.

Very strongly tempted to just stand outside the PX with one hand in my pocket, walking back and forth while drinking a coffee. Wearing my baseball cap.

Tiny Timbs
Sep 6, 2008

lol vets are gonna poo poo

Jimmy Smuts
Aug 8, 2000

Holy poo poo they made a lot of changes on this round

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

The blue glow is a feature, not a bug


Pillbug

Arc Light posted:

New 36-2903 officially authorizes standing and walking with hands in pockets, walking while drinking beverages, and various other things.

I'm assigned to an Army post.

Very strongly tempted to just stand outside the PX with one hand in my pocket, walking back and forth while drinking a coffee. Wearing my baseball cap.

We can keep our hands warm? Somewhere a Command Chief/1st Shirt just poo poo their pants.

Woof Blitzer
Dec 29, 2012

[-]
Have you perhaps tried being a civilian?

Prop Wash
Jun 12, 2010



Also authorized: PT headgear that covers your forehead but not your scalp. Insane. The Russians will see our hair from a mile away as we jog towards them in our reflective clothing

hannibal
Jul 27, 2001

[img-planes]
Once upon a time they changed that AFI to say that you couldn't drink while walking. My NCOIC at a time (a great, crusty MSgt) made a point when we'd be coming back from lunch or whatever and had a drink in his hand to come to a full stop before taking a sip.

Jimmy Smuts
Aug 8, 2000

Imma sew my hands into my pockets

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

The blue glow is a feature, not a bug


Pillbug

First shirt posted:

Imma sew my your hands into my your pockets

lite_sleepr
Jun 3, 2003

by Radio Games Forum

Tiny Timbs posted:

lol vets are gonna poo poo

I am glad the service is getting better than when I was in :)

Complained 20 years; Whined/posted about hands/pockets/phones/hair/accessories-- AFI 36-2903 improved 803% upon DOS

lite_sleepr fucked around with this message at 03:33 on Dec 8, 2021

Godholio
Aug 28, 2002

Does a bear split in the woods near Zheleznogorsk?
poo poo man, you can do the walk test now. I'd have never scored below a 90 OR broken a sweat. Instead I hobbled around like a 60 year old man after the first mile of the run every time.

lite_sleepr
Jun 3, 2003

by Radio Games Forum
Still passed

Cenen
Apr 7, 2011
Anyone else look back on their time in the Air Force and are still just flabbergasted by the number of racists, rapists, and no balls pieces of poo poo you served with?

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

The blue glow is a feature, not a bug


Pillbug
Every. Day. Our shop lead always had Fox News on in the office and was always lecturing me on not being a socialist. What a sad way to live.

Jimmy Smuts
Aug 8, 2000

God if I have to deal with Fox news at work ever again, I'm filing an EO complaint, as that poo poo is straight up racist and degrades unit cohesion

pkells
Sep 14, 2007

King of Klatch
I was reading our squadron’s climate assessment results a couple years ago, and one individual (I assume) commented on multiple questions that we need to have FoxNews on the TV’s and not these other channels that are disrespectful to the troops. I wasn’t sure which tv he was talking about, because the only public tv in the building is in our break room, and is usually on ESPN on drill weekends, if it’s even on at all.

Cenen
Apr 7, 2011
I remember there being low key rumblings about Fox being on when Trump started getting mentioned more and more but channel selection got nuked and Fox verboten by the group commander after that “bad hombres” soundbite dropped and got replayed over and over. We got limited to like the actual Golf Channel and like some weird channel they only played those long rear end commercials for rotisserie chickens.

We watched a lot of golf because of Trump.

AFStealth
Jun 24, 2006

Shut up baby, I know it
Can't count how many times I just had to keep my mouth shut during office conversations. Though definitely towards the end I'd try to make racist white people feel as uncomfortable as possible.

lite_sleepr
Jun 3, 2003

by Radio Games Forum

Cenen posted:

Anyone else look back on their time in the Air Force and are still just flabbergasted by the number of racists, rapists, and no balls pieces of poo poo you served with?

Only ones I ever really knew was the later. I can't say that I honestly ever knew genuine racists or rapists.

Jimmy Smuts
Aug 8, 2000

lite_sleepr posted:

Only ones I ever really knew was the later. I can't say that I honestly ever knew genuine racists or rapists.
Same, maybe it depends on the job field
Edit: this is only counting ones I know of, as I know a lot of stuff gets swept under the rug or is on a need-to-know basis

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CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

The blue glow is a feature, not a bug


Pillbug
New year, same bullshit - https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3989649

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