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as usual, Apple is leading the way for the computer industry, showing them how good a laptop can be when you dump x86. meanwhile amazon graviton servers have been murdering intel in price/performance. it seems like Microsoft is finally serious about an arm port and VMware just released ESXi for ARM. however, so far qualcomm and Samsung continue to suck rear end. the new neoverse cores coming from ARM are expected to be much faster than their mobile-focused cores and should provide adequate performance for real laptops, so hopefully someone can stick those in good SoC. Ampere is picking up some steam in servers, but Cavium is pretty much dead. it’s happening! probably more on the server than on the desktop but that doesn’t make as good of a thread title. time to ARM up, bitches.
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Jan 1, 2021 21:11
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comedy RISC-V comment
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I am ready to ARM up
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Jan 1, 2021 21:14
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2022, year of leg on the desktop
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Jan 1, 2021 21:16
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it was actually 2020 sorry op
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Jan 1, 2021 21:23
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Bored Online posted:it was actually 2020 sorry op 2020 was the year of rear end on the desktop, did you see all those zoom calls?
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Jan 1, 2021 22:41
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BLISC - barely legal instruction set computer
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Feb 27, 2021 09:04
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The Management posted:Microsoft is finally serious about an arm port 
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Feb 27, 2021 09:17
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lol if you haven't been using arm on the desktop since 87
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Feb 27, 2021 20:45
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Stop slowing down the 3080s for this nonsense people need to experience half assed ray tracing.
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Feb 27, 2021 21:50
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The Management posted:as usual, Apple is leading the way for the computer industry, stopped reading at this point
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Feb 28, 2021 05:35
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lol remember risc v
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fack you posted:lol remember risc v lol. I remember it because idiots around me keep trying to make it a thing.
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The Management posted:lol. I remember it because idiots around me keep trying to make it a thing. I just looked it up and it sounds like the ogg vorbis of architectures
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nvidia is gonna buy arm and apply their amazing logistics chain to processors as well sure arm is just a design specification but idk bitcoin miners or something
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The Management posted:lol. I remember it because idiots around me keep trying to make it a thing. looking forwards between choosing between arm64 that lacks support for <cool new thing>, arm64 RTX data centre edition, and version 17a (with extensions M, Ma, X, and E, but not D except for the d5 subset) of RISC-V
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echinopsis posted:I just looked it up and it sounds like the ogg vorbis of architectures There's a nugget of truth here. I doubt we'll see the rise of commercial RISC-V CPUs (beyond a few hobbyists). With that said, the core is 100% making inroads into the ASIC market. RISC-V cores are being shipped by the millions in hard-drive controllers. Ogg was a little better than MP3, but not better enough to displace the ecosystem of MP3 players. And the price of an Ogg encoder is the same as the price of an MP3 encoder - zero dollars. So no real reason to switch. RISC-V is aimed at displacing ARM. It's deffo not as popular, and the ecosystem is much smaller. But ARM cores cost money to put in your ASIC, and RISC-V cores don't. If you're building enough units, the savings can be compelling. I think the license cost for a Cortex-M0+ core, buses, etc is something like $0.10-$0.25 depending on your buying power. If you're designing a new controller chip for your widget (and you expect to sell the widget family for a few years), you could save a cool million by using a RISC-V core instead. Poopernickel fucked around with this message at 06:22 on Mar 1, 2021 |
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Poopernickel posted:But ARM cores cost money to put in your ASIC, and RISC-V cores don't. free cores don’t cost money. good cores designed by competent people aren’t free, whether they’re arm or riscv. riscv will displace plenty of the lowest end arm cores. arm will probably make m0 free at some point to compete. also this is a huge gently caress up: DuckConference posted:version 17a (with extensions M, Ma, X, and E, but not D except for the d5 subset) of RISC-V
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Archduke Frantz Fanon posted:nvidia is gonna buy arm and apply their amazing logistics chain to processors as well you realize nvidia already owns arm, right? edit: nvm, looks like the sale didnt go through yet and there's now an investigation lol
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Poopernickel posted:There's a nugget of truth here. I doubt we'll see the rise of commercial RISC-V CPUs (beyond a few hobbyists). It's popping off in China for SBCs and microcontrollers. ARM's as much of a ridiculous dinosaur as x86 is. People talk about it the same way people talked about MIPs and PowerPC 20 years ago (while nobody gave a poo poo about ARM.) Remember those? Remember Itanium? At least RISC-V has the advantage of no license fee. ARM may as well just be the fotm darling for computer janitors to post about in a doctrinal war that has lost all meaning.
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Poopernickel posted:There's a nugget of truth here. I doubt we'll see the rise of commercial RISC-V CPUs (beyond a few hobbyists). i use flac
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echinopsis posted:I just looked it up and it sounds like the ogg vorbis of architectures ogg vorbis? like the codec Spotify, the most popular streaming service uses?
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Dont Touch ME posted:It's popping off in China for SBCs and microcontrollers. ARM's as much of a ridiculous dinosaur as x86 is. People talk about it the same way people talked about MIPs and PowerPC 20 years ago (while nobody gave a poo poo about ARM.) Remember those? Remember Itanium? source your quotes
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Captain Foo posted:source your quotes https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Tech_Job/M.1603177425.A.E10.html
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Dont Touch ME posted:ARM may as well just be the fotm darling for computer janitors to post about in a doctrinal war that has lost all meaning. arm owns 100% of the mobile phone market
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The Management posted:arm owns 100% of the mobile phone market Its no wonder smartphones are dogshit 
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Mar 1, 2021 17:45
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Im sure that owning 100% of the mobile market will be the key to dethroning x86 when intel couldnt even force it to happen at their peak of being a pseudo-monopoly on the desktop
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Mar 1, 2021 17:49
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The Management posted:arm owns 100% of the mobile phone market this, also basically all streaming devices (Roku, fire TV, smart TVs, etc) actually pretty much all consumer electronics smarter than a microwave
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Mar 1, 2021 19:49
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The Management posted:arm owns 100% of the mobile phone market thats the easiest platform to port over since most android apps are java and most people use the google play store
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Mar 1, 2021 20:10
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not joking, those “beefy”(lol) apu’s in millions of ps5’s and xbone series twos are pretty much a fringe market at this point. and they’re probably propped up a little bit thanks to any dedicated gpu more powerful than a 750ti being a myth at this point.
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Dont Touch ME posted:It's popping off in China for SBCs and microcontrollers. ARM's as much of a ridiculous dinosaur as x86 is. People talk about it the same way people talked about MIPs and PowerPC 20 years ago (while nobody gave a poo poo about ARM.) Remember those? Remember Itanium? lol youre an idiot
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arm is dead, netcraft confirms
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what’s wrong with the arm instruction set? especially Apple implementation with all 32bit stuff removed
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Mar 1, 2021 22:25
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Perplx posted:thats the easiest platform to port over since most android apps are java and most people use the google play store worked out great for android on x86 and mips. Intel implemented a full arm emulator because they couldn’t get some things ported.
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Perplx posted:what’s wrong with the arm instruction set? especially Apple implementation with all 32bit stuff removed nothing, arm64 is the best ISA, as can be seen by it crushing desktop x86 chips.
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sounds like arm chips are very good steve has done it again im not getting a covid vaccine until they have one with arm chips in it
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poty posted:sounds like arm chips are very good steve has done it again you’re supposed to get a shot in the arm, not the arm in a shot
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