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FreudianSlippers
Apr 12, 2010

Shooting and Fucking
are the same thing!



FreudianSlippers posted:

Making a spooky tombstone:


Progress report:

Even spookier

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McCloud
Oct 27, 2005





Empress Brosephine posted:

I've never seen a superman movie except for superman returns and justice league. What should I watch first

Man of steel
Superman with christopher reeves

This is gonna be a smoldering hot take: The Reeves Superman films are nice time capsules but they aged terribly and are cheesy in the worst ways. Man of Steel is a great reimagining of the character and updated him for the modern day and is absolutely worth watching.

If you really wanna watch the reeves films, go with one and two then go watch MoS.

CPL593H
Oct 28, 2009

I know what you did last summer, and frankly I am displeased.

McCloud posted:

This is gonna be a smoldering hot take: The Reeves Superman films are nice time capsules but they aged terribly and are cheesy in the worst ways. Man of Steel is a great reimagining of the character and updated him for the modern day and is absolutely worth watching.

If you really wanna watch the reeves films, go with one and two then go watch MoS.

YOU'RE A NICE TIME CAPSULE!

McCloud
Oct 27, 2005





CPL593H posted:

YOU'RE A NICE TIME CAPSULE!

Correct, I too aged terribly and am cheesy in the worst ways

Geekboy
Aug 21, 2005

Now that's what I call a geekMAN!

Every time I watch Superman '78 I'm actually surprised at how well it holds up.

I can't imagine any reason I'd watch Man of Steel, ever again.

The Superman and Lois tv pilot from earlier this year is the best Superman movie since the Donner cut of Superman 2.

Superman 4: A Quest for Peace or whatever it's called is absolute garbage. Jon Cryer's worst work. Which, Cryer seems like a nice guy but I feel both confident in my assessment and like I'm really saying something there.

banned from Starbucks
Jul 18, 2004






teagone posted:

You see kong dick in the post-credits scene.

if you lie to me......

CPL593H
Oct 28, 2009

I know what you did last summer, and frankly I am displeased.

McCloud posted:

Correct, I too aged terribly and am cheesy in the worst ways

The movies are just a reflection of the era of the comic books. So the 70s stuff is kind of campy but kind of serious where as the modern superhero books are a bunch of maudlin grimdark bullshit. That's why the Adam West, Michael Keaton, and Nolan Batman movies are so different from one another.

That said the list of essential comic book movies is Batman: The Movie, Batman, Batman Returns, Blade, Dick Tracy, and the Rocketeer. Just watch all that stuff. I can't say for sure which is the best but the one I would most be enthusiastic about watching right now is Blade. Blade just rules.

Now THAT SAID, Doom Patrol is what you should really watch.

Empress Brosephine
Mar 31, 2012


Winner of the "Poor Games Poster" avatar.

I love Blade top five movies

CPL593H
Oct 28, 2009

I know what you did last summer, and frankly I am displeased.

Geekboy posted:

Every time I watch Superman '78 I'm actually surprised at how well it holds up.

I can't imagine any reason I'd watch Man of Steel, ever again.

The Superman and Lois tv pilot from earlier this year is the best Superman movie since the Donner cut of Superman 2.

Superman 4: A Quest for Peace or whatever it's called is absolute garbage. Jon Cryer's worst work. Which, Cryer seems like a nice guy but I feel both confident in my assessment and like I'm really saying something there.

Donner's rough cut has this great bit when Zod and his goons break into the White House and he picks up a gun. Seconds later when he realizes how it works he just laughs and starts shooting people. I can't think of any other moment in a superhero movie that so perfectly captures the evil and sadism of the villain so quickly and with so little. Lester's version isn't bad but much as it's obviously an unfinished work I just prefer the Donner cut.

Empress Brosephine posted:

I love Blade top five movies

All I can say about people who don't like Blade is

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-5pEx_MWwg

McCloud
Oct 27, 2005





CPL593H posted:

The movies are just a reflection of the era of the comic books. So the 70s stuff is kind of campy but kind of serious where as the modern superhero books are a bunch of maudlin grimdark bullshit. That's why the Adam West, Michael Keaton, and Nolan Batman movies are so different from one another.

That said the list of essential comic book movies is Batman: The Movie, Batman, Batman Returns, Blade, Dick Tracy, and the Rocketeer. Just watch all that stuff. I can't say for sure which is the best but the one I would most be enthusiastic about watching right now is Blade. Blade just rules.

Now THAT SAID, Doom Patrol is what you should really watch.

I vociferously disagree, I think MoS is a pretty optimistic film that isn't afraid to take itself seriously instead of being campy or self-effacing, which is a bit of a rarity in superhero films.

I will agree with Doom Patrol though, well worth watching

Geekboy posted:

Every time I watch Superman '78 I'm actually surprised at how well it holds up.

I can't imagine any reason I'd watch Man of Steel, ever again.

The Superman and Lois tv pilot from earlier this year is the best Superman movie since the Donner cut of Superman 2.

Superman 4: A Quest for Peace or whatever it's called is absolute garbage. Jon Cryer's worst work. Which, Cryer seems like a nice guy but I feel both confident in my assessment and like I'm really saying something there.

Super nuclear triple hot take: I like Superman 3 way more than Superman 1.

Superman 4 sucks though, I think that's an universal truth.

Lurdiak
Feb 25, 2006

I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people that do.




Superman 78 is unironically great. Despite the limited special effects capability of the era they do their best to make you believe everything that happens onscreen, and Reeve is to this day the only actor who's convinced me that someone might not be able to realize Clark Kent and Superman are the same person. And you can't beat Margot Kidder. Sure, it's campy, but it's campy with a purpose. Gene Hackman's Lex Luthor is really the only one who goes over the top in that regard I'd say.

Superman 2 is a lot campier, to the point that it feels like a straight up comedy at times, and it has some weird plot points that seem beneath the character of Superman, and the effects are a major, major step down, but it's really fun, and Terence Stamp is amazing as Zod. I'd call it a guilty pleasure if it didn't have such great scenes as the Niagara falls sequence.

I don't know why anyone would try to denigrate those movies just to try to make Man of Steel seem better or more important, but then I don't attach my entire sense of self to bad corporate products.

McCloud
Oct 27, 2005





Lurdiak posted:

I don't know why anyone would try to denigrate those movies just to try to make Man of Steel seem better or more important, but then I don't attach my entire sense of self to bad corporate products.

We're having a nice casual chat, please don't ruin it by being snide.

Schwarzwald
Jul 27, 2004

Don't Blink


Empress Brosephine posted:

Aw I was hoping superman 3 would be worth watching due to pryor

Superman 3 is very janky but also it is a lot of fun.

Debbie Does Dagon
Jul 8, 2005





McCloud posted:

Super nuclear triple hot take: I like Superman 3 way more than Superman 1.

Superman 3 is the best superhero movie, period. What beats Richard Pryor and evil robot ladies? Nothing.

McCloud
Oct 27, 2005





Debbie Does Dagon posted:

Superman 3 is the best superhero movie, period. What beats Richard Pryor and evil robot ladies? Nothing.

RIGHT?! It even has drunk Superman! It's great!

CPL593H
Oct 28, 2009

I know what you did last summer, and frankly I am displeased.

Debbie Does Dagon posted:

Superman 3 is the best superhero movie, period. What beats Richard Pryor and evil robot ladies? Nothing.

Blade.

Tuxedo Catfish
Mar 17, 2007

You've got guts! Come to my village, I'll buy you lunch.


Debbie Does Dagon posted:

Superman 3 is the best superhero movie, period. What beats Richard Pryor and evil robot ladies? Nothing.

the Superman vs. Clark Kent scene is the best thing in the whole series

Gripweed
Nov 8, 2018




CPL593H posted:

That said the list of essential comic book movies is Batman: The Movie, Batman, Batman Returns, Blade, Dick Tracy, and the Rocketeer. Just watch all that stuff. I can't say for sure which is the best but the one I would most be enthusiastic about watching right now is Blade. Blade just rules.

Don't forget Men in Black, Ichi the Killer, Oldboy, and Solanin

FreudianSlippers
Apr 12, 2010

Shooting and Fucking
are the same thing!



70s comics hit the perfect balance of dealing with "Serious Real Issues" while still being wacky camp nonsense that hasn't been achieved since.


The Starlin run of Adam Warlock is the best Marvel Comics have ever been

Gripweed
Nov 8, 2018




Oh poo poo, and Tokyo Tribe. Tokyo Tribe kicks rear end. A rap musical made without an ounce of musical talent but they really go for it anyway

SuperMechagodzilla
Jun 9, 2007

NEWT REBORN


The good Supermans are the Fleischer cartoons and Man Of Steel, while Superman: The Movie and Superman Returns are some kind of weirdo postmodern thing talking about the cultural impact of the Superman franchise.

All these are worthwhile, but people who only watch the Donner end up with a distorted picture - in the same way that someone might only be familiar with the Brady Bunch movie.

Empress Brosephine
Mar 31, 2012


Winner of the "Poor Games Poster" avatar.

Is there any piece of media that all superman fans agree on? Superman the animated series? Smallville? Louis and clark?!

Schwarzwald
Jul 27, 2004

Don't Blink


Empress Brosephine posted:

Is there any piece of media that all superman fans agree on? Superman the animated series? Smallville? Louis and clark?!

Probably the Fleischer Studio cartoons?

Well, the pre-"Famous Studio" ones, at least.

Tuxedo Catfish
Mar 17, 2007

You've got guts! Come to my village, I'll buy you lunch.


Empress Brosephine posted:

Is there any piece of media that all superman fans agree on? Superman the animated series? Smallville? Louis and clark?!

even the biggest Smallville fans in the world will generally admit that's it's a terrible show lol

I've never heard of anyone who hated Superman TAS, but it's a little overshadowed by Batman TAS, with the latter broadly regarded as brilliant animation as well as pushing the limits of what could be done with children's cartoons and paving the way for deeper and more story-driven shows, while the former is just "yeah it's pretty good and that one episode about Superman wanting to accomplish something substantive as Clark Kent is an all-timer."

McCloud
Oct 27, 2005





Empress Brosephine posted:

Is there any piece of media that all superman fans agree on? Superman the animated series? Smallville? Louis and clark?!

the animated DCAU Justice league series is universally agreed as good, I guess? It hits enough high notes that people like it and consider it good but not enough low points or controversial enough for people to dislike it. Lois and Clark was fun but it's tainted by Dean Cain becoming a chud, and not that many people actually watched it, afaik.

All star Superman is also universally praised.

Tuxedo Catfish posted:

even the biggest Smallville fans in the world will generally admit that's it's a terrible show lol

I've never heard of anyone who hated Superman TAS, but it's a little overshadowed by Batman TAS, with the latter broadly regarded as brilliant animation as well as pushing the limits of what could be done with children's cartoons and paving the way for deeper and more story-driven shows, while the former is just "yeah it's pretty good and that one episode about Superman wanting to accomplish something substantive as Clark Kent is an all-timer."

I think the Superman TAS is just generally agreed to be kinda bland, and never really reaching its potential

SuperMechagodzilla
Jun 9, 2007

NEWT REBORN


Empress Brosephine posted:

Is there any piece of media that all superman fans agree on? Superman the animated series? Smallville? Louis and clark?!

Zack Snyder’s Justice League: Justice is Grey Edition

McCloud
Oct 27, 2005





SuperMechagodzilla posted:

Zack Snyder’s Justice League: Justice is Grey Edition

Skwirl
May 13, 2007

The 'blood babe with the silicone chest, 200-dollar haircut, and a closet full of the latest fashions.




FreudianSlippers posted:

70s comics hit the perfect balance of dealing with "Serious Real Issues" while still being wacky camp nonsense that hasn't been achieved since.


The Starlin run of Adam Warlock is the best Marvel Comics have ever been

Ehh, the hundredish issues of Stan Lee/Jack Kirby Fantastic Four is loving amazing. For darker stuff I'd say Bendis' run on Daredevil might be better than Frank Miller's.

Geekboy
Aug 21, 2005

Now that's what I call a geekMAN!

All Star Superman and the not-racist episodes of the Fleischer cartoons are the only things that I think I've seen universal agreement on.

Just, like, never watch Jungle Drums.

Skwirl
May 13, 2007

The 'blood babe with the silicone chest, 200-dollar haircut, and a closet full of the latest fashions.




Empress Brosephine posted:

Is there any piece of media that all superman fans agree on? Superman the animated series? Smallville? Louis and clark?!

I have yet to hear anyone poo poo on the new Superman and Louis show. But they had to stop production after episode 5 because an on set COVID outbreak sadly. Theoretically comes back in May.

The only people who poo poo on the first Christopher Reeves film are people who haven't seen it in over a decade.

the radio show was materially damaging to the KKK, so it definitely deserves some accolades for that, but it is a cheesy old radio show from the 50s.

Skwirl
May 13, 2007

The 'blood babe with the silicone chest, 200-dollar haircut, and a closet full of the latest fashions.




Geekboy posted:

All Star Superman and the not-racist episodes of the Fleischer cartoons are the only things that I think I've seen universal agreement on.

Just, like, never watch Jungle Drums.

Or "Japoteurs"

Lurdiak
Feb 25, 2006

I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people that do.




I thought All-Star Superman was just ok, but then I never cared for Grant Morrison's writing that much.

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Guy A. Person
May 23, 2003



Empress Brosephine posted:

I've never seen a superman movie except for superman returns and justice league. What should I watch first

Man of steel
Superman with christopher reeves

To clarify, is the Justice League you watched the recently released Zack Snyder cut? And if so, did you like it?

If you did, Man of Steel obviously sets the stage for that Superman, it goes into more depth for the characters of Lois and Martha who appeared in that movie, so if you enjoyed any aspect of that storyline you will presumably enjoy MoS which is more tightly focused on those 3 characters (among others)

And yeah Superman: the movie is great although obviously from a very different time, so ymmv if you connect with it. There’s lots of neat stuff tho, and the climax of Zack Snyder’s Justice League has basically the same general solution, which is a neat homage

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