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Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

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How can you forget Sonic the Hedgehog

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Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

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I just realised two of my favourite very dumb very fun comedies, George of the Jungle and Kung Pow, have a lot in common.

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Mar 2, 2017

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feedmyleg posted:

I really wish that Carpenter would write a book about the seething hatred that Hollywood executives and (many) creatives have for movies.

That really would explain so much.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

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Isn't Green Hill Zone already synth?

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

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Gonz posted:

I remember Wolverine piloting a Metal Gear robot in Chappie.

The robot's pretty clearly a take on ED-209, complete with the whole joke he's trying to sell it to the police who think it's absurdly expensive and impractical overkill. (not American police, obviously)

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

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SuperMechagodzilla posted:

Ex Machina absolutely isnít.


It is, but itís more specifically a proto-Chappie, along with such as Elysium and Iron Man 2.

Chapsploitation proper begins with Juarez 2045, where the entire selling point was that this piece of poo poo movie has some chappies in it. But since then, weíve had some really good examples like:

Kill Command (evil Chappie)
Code 8 (X-Men vs. Chappie)
Monsters of Man (Rambo vs. Chappie)

Also Chappie-adjacent films like the Ghost In The Shell remake.

XCOM 2 also has a Chappie.

Is he the Robbie the Robot of the 21st century?

Ghost Leviathan
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CPL593H posted:

I thought it sucked. The Tick was barely a character in it because they decided to focus the show on a melodrama centered around a mediocre white boy. The show took itself too seriously and the humor that makes the Tick compelling in various media was barely present. If any character didn't need a grimdark backstory it's Arthur.

Dude is shown pretty early on as genuinely mentally ill as a result of trauma, a tad more than 'mediocre white boy'. Unfortunately they didn't seem to stick to that angle as much as they could.

The show didn't seem to understand well what it wanted to be. I thought it had a real strength in showing a world where superheroes and ordinary people live together, and the supers are often messed up people but still trying their best, but the rest seemed more like indecisive parody.

Ghost Leviathan
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'Selling out' is a really loving funny idea in retrospect given millennials got stiffed on the pay for it, and younger generations don't even have the option. Boomers bought into the system designed to give them material comfort and immediately voted to let billionaires strip it for crack money.

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Mar 2, 2017

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The Cameo posted:

It can be summed up by this fictional conversation between a Gen Xer and a Millennial:

Gen X: Oh, my job is a soul-draining hellhole, for forty hours a week I have to go in and swallow my pride and self-worth for this paycheck. And the rest of my life will be like this! Iím gonna retire having done nothing with my life, just some guy with a house and wife and a couple kids and a couple cars and all these ďmarkersĒ of ďmaking itĒ. But itís all hollow, man, all hollow!
Millennial: lol sounds pretty sweet can I have your job then
Gen X: ... no. Not until I get the old guy above meís job, anyway. Fuckerís 73 and still going!
Boomer: please let me die

Boomers still don't believe they will ever die

Also their job positions are going with them with duties folded into the gen xer's position

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

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'At least I don't work in x' doesn't really work anymore now it's pretty clear 'no such thing as ethical consumption under capitalism' also applies to work.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

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Pacific Rim is definitely a case where at least some people making the movie actually understood giant robot media, but unfortunately there was also the influence of Hollywood who find anything foreign or made after 1990 literally incomprehensible swirls of sound and colours.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

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Pacific Rim is more a Hollywood attempt at a giant robot movie that happens to use kaiju as the names for the monsters they fight. The themes get very different when the kaiju are explicitly the antagonists fought on equal level by the protagonists, rather than nigh-incomprehensible forces of nature. (Evangeleon is probably the main outlier here, but that does a lot of things differently)

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SuperMechagodzilla posted:

What the comparison to GxMG illustrates is that Pacific Rim is best understood as the 30th installment of some ancient franchise that never actually existed. Like if the first Bond film was Die Another Day.

This works a lot, but is also a surprisingly common formula, Venture Bros comes to mind as being basically the sequel to a show that never existed. There's even an episode explicitly presented as the middle part of a trilogy we never see the first or last part of outside of recaps and previews.

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Mar 2, 2017

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X-Ray Pecs posted:

All this talk about Pacific Rim reminded me of one of the funniest bits of liberal film discourse; people had to prove Pacific Rim was feminist, but because Mako Mori never talks to another woman in the film it couldn't pass the Bechdel Test, so they made up the Mako Mori test, which says a movie is feminist if a female character gets a complete emotional arc.

Honestly it's significant enough if a male character gets a complete recognisable emotional arc, sometimes.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

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Gatts posted:

I would like you to know I haven't showered in 2 days, drank 4 shots of whiskey and 1 of tequila, ate 3 shawarmas and 1 slice of brownie and this morning invested in Gamestop, AMC, and Nokia. I got a new car this week and saved my company $2.3 million dollars.

I feel fine.

Reading this as Patrick Bateman.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

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FilthyImp posted:

Why didn't you fuckwads tell me Sonic was so much fun?

That goddamn mid-credits teaser?!

Been telling people it was shockingly watchable for almost exactly a year now.

It's honestly a bit better than Detective Pikachu, mostly because more than one human character in it actually knows how to act.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

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Goons wear short shorts!

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Tuxedo Catfish posted:

Detective Pikachu should have leaned into the weird poo poo harder. Give me more Mewtwo-as-Pokemon-Moses, Dittos that pass for human, more of the "oh by the way this entire area is inhabited by pokemon the size of tectonic plates," etc.

It feels like a weird movie in that I think it's clearly trying to play it safe as a big-budget video game adaptation when it comes to structure, complete with the whole forest sequence being basically a shoehorned in action scene. Though it's funny given pretty much all the crazy poo poo in the movies has at least some basis in the anime, which even has a full on kaiju fight between massive ancient tattooed Pokemon contained in what look like ancient equivalents of Pokeballs (but they wuss out and have everyone get knocked out and think it was a dream) and Ditto being able to do crazy poo poo. (Also one episode with a Ditto who's able to change form but not size, and so when it turns into a much larger Pokemon it ends up just being an adorable tiny version of it)

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duz posted:

The Detective Pikachu movie was good because it starts with the main character's friend trying to help him get over his dead mother by getting him to capture a pokemon who wears the skull of its dead mother.

He doesn't get enough credit for carrying the movie. I do like that you have someone who's introduced to the dynamics of the Pokemon world and shown participating in it, but ultimately turns it down to lead a normal (by audience standards) life, though not without regrets, and ultimately comes to engage with the world and with Pokemon on his own terms and in his own way. Enough that the morose, bad-tempered genetically engineered bioweapon with justified grudges against humanity likes him.

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X-Ray Pecs posted:

The video games get wild; in the post-game of the remake of Ruby and Sapphire, they lay out that when an asteroid hit the world, two different timelines developed, hence why there are two Generation 3 games. You also fight a Pokemon that's the embodiment of DNA.

Multiverse/split timeline theory makes a shitload of sense with the way the Pokemon games work.

Funny thing is, Torterra as a choice for your gigantification experiments makes sense, since as a hybrid Grass type, you don't have to worry as much about feeding them since they're self-sustaining ecosystems, and as demonstrated you can hide them in the scenery.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

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Years ago. Luckily all the actual kids are watching on demand streaming.

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Grendels Dad posted:

That answer is terrible in a world where the Fury Road b/w cut exists.

Also,

SuperMechagodzilla posted:

The dumb part is the implicit assertion there were no progressive politics in the entire first century of film’s existence(???). Also (and perhaps worse), she’s effectively saying that these historical films are irredeemable - like, there is no leftist solution to problematic content; we cannot appropriate a film, or read against it, or anything.

This has been pretty much the online liberal thing for years and it's always been both hilariously dumb and an obvious rhetorical dead end. And the whole thing with constantly erasing previous progress so megacorps can take credit for 'bold first steps!!!' over and over.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

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The only moral problematic content is my problematic content.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

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Said in the boomer thread, celebrating the death of horrible people is great because makes old fucks angry and scared that not everything in the world is a ritual designed to assuage them, and that they won't be worshiped after death.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

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It strikes me as the Helldump problem you often see online where when people make going after socially acceptable scapegoats a hobby, they pretty quickly run out of easy viable targets and low hanging fruit. But they don't want to stop, and going after people with actual power is hard and scary. So they start inventing reasons to go after easy targets, and eventually turn on each other, because there's no easier targets than your own allies.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

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Lurdiak posted:

Pizza Hut.

The alliance based out of Jamaica Avenue.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

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Apparently Get Out has been considered to be a sequel to Being John Malkovich, due to Catherine Keener.

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CPL593H posted:

It doesn't quite work though because in Being John Malkovich they're using some kind of magic portal where as the bad guys in Get Out are just swapping out people's brains. The obvious similarity in concept never occurred to me though and that's an interesting comparison. It's also entirely possible that the former film was an influence on Peele.

There's no reason they can't have both though.

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CPL593H posted:

Holy poo poo, you have no idea. He was the absolute horniest mother fucker in history and hosed constantly. One time he was had someone he just hosed going out the back door of his office while his wife and secretary were outside. He was also cheating on his wife with his secretary. Gene Roddenberry was horny personified. This famous quote from his is what I was referencing:


He said this to a guy over the phone who then had to move the phone far away from his head because he was laughing so hard.

He also said it in an Irish accent iirc

Majel Barret was his girlfriend IIRC and showed up in every incarnation of Star Trek she could at least once until her death. Fittingly, she plays Troi's horny mom.

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Mar 2, 2017

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A few goons were insisting pornographic fanart might as well be the same thing as the original movie.

I'm the one realising she's got the same expression as Slappy Squirrel, and her in the role would be a much more entertaining movie.

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Mar 2, 2017

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Guy A. Person posted:

"Don't worry nothing weird happened they just died of old age okay bye"

It's a miracle if a horse lives to old age without finding some way to kill itself.

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Mar 2, 2017

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Skwirl posted:

Pretty sure Gene Roddenberry died before the creation of Lola Bunny.

The little known fact that Lola is based entirely on sketches found in Gene Roddenberry's studio.

Hell, Space Jam could have been a rejected TOS episode.

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Mar 2, 2017

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X-Ray Pecs posted:

Someone did say it was offensive to reduce Lola Bunnyís breasts because women can have bog boobs and be competent, but also the example everyone (not just this thread but EVERYONE)was using to show how big Lolaís breasts were in the original Space Jam was actually fanart, so itís all messed up and weird.

At least one goon was also insistently 'It's not like it matters, that's close enough' about it.

Honestly it even looks like it doesn't matter because the main point of difference in the designs is that Lola's wearing a sports jersey like the rest rather than the crop top and shorts, and she could well have the exact same figure underneath it.

Ghost Leviathan
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That and earlier treatments of the script (that movie's production was a total clusterfuck) may have had more Roger Rabbit vibes.

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CPL593H posted:

I was hoping it would suck so then all the guys who screamed about it on the internet for the last forty years would just have no idea what to do with themselves.

That's pretty much exactly what's happening, but with a different set of guys!

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Mar 2, 2017

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There's quite a lot of the old internet pastime of 'invent a guy in your head, trick yourself into believing he exists, and get real mad at him' going on there too, where the fictional guy happens to be representative of real people.

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Pirate Jet posted:

One of the most toxic fanbases of all time was formed around a children's cartoon about ponies. I really don't see any value in criticizing these kinds of things like they're anything anyone can control.

When the alternative to people being mean online is a director who erases women and people of color in his work and abuses nearly every woman he works with, the argument becomes about random disordered toxicity versus the institutional kind. Considering releasing the Snyder Cut has been an act that actively attacked the latter, itís hard for me not to see it as a net benefit.

Still reckon a lot of it is people overcompensating for idolising a director who turned out to be a piece of poo poo on just about every measurable metric as well as bad at his job, while pretty much everyone who's worked with Snyder seems eager to say they'd take a bullet for the guy,

Babysitter Super Sleuth posted:

Iirc Army isn’t set in a post apocalypse, there are zombies but the outbreak is contained to Nevada at the start of the movie and the scheme is to get rich by stealing all the money that was left in the casinos during the evacuation, before the government nukes Vegas to the ground to cleanse the infection.

It's hard to imagine it hasn't been influenced by Dead Rising, it even has a timer.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

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Came up in another thread, this feels very CineD.

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Simiain posted:

In the UK it had less of an underground vibe to it than it was just generally appropriated by the kind of testosterone-addled 'geezers' who were in their ascendancy at the time. See also Loaded Magazine, TFI Friday and those weirdly hyper-sexualised adverts for games like Gex and stuff.

If you were a spotty teen in 1990s in the UK and also into anime, you would have watched this promo a million times:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xGiDAJVqtY

The 90s was the height of 'edgy' after all, which never really went away but evolved into 'grim and gritty'.

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duz posted:

That's all of Peter Chung's work and it's all glorious. I watched the hell out of Phantom 2040 and Reign: The Conqueror as well as Aeon Flux.

Phantom 2040 was one of those really weird 90s cases of a bad/dumb idea executed brilliantly, iirc. It even had a SNES game that was amazingly good, and had a multi-path story with like 20 different endings.

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