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Retrowave Joe
Jul 20, 2001
Be heroes.

Itís the Army equivalent of corporate throwing a pizza party, but when you get there they hand you an egg baby. Also, thereís no pizza.

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bird food bathtub
Aug 9, 2003



College Slice

gently caress that poo poo. My MOS never promoted to E5 in anything resembling a decent time frame (guys I still talk to were averaging 7 years to E5) and the huge majority bailed to contractor jobs after their first enlistment.

Every possible ounce of the E4 mafia strength was summoned when threatened with the curse of the corporal, we all knew what it meant and nobody wanted to deal with that poo poo and no hope of promotion.

Internet Wizard
Aug 9, 2009

BANDAIDS DON'T FIX BULLET HOLES



Sounds like Army is trying to adopt the Corpsís frugality hack of keeping people at E-3/4 for 4-6 years but still making them fill E-5/6 billets.

GD_American
Jul 21, 2004

427 TOTALLY LEGITIMATE, DEFENSIBLE NATIONAL TITLES AND COUNTING


I was literally told while I was under a Humvee to join a snap formation and then got pinned Corporal right there. Weirdly enough, it was just in time to fill a hole in the DA-6 that someone had left for a CQ NCO that night.

White Chocolate
Jan 23, 2007
Sweat Baby, sweat baby

My understanding was that you become a Sergeant a month after completing BLC? Also we got rid of CPLs in the reserves a while ago. I had to demote my best E4 from CPL to SPC when that came down. He earned that poo poo(probably shouldíve been an SSG)

White Chocolate
Jan 23, 2007
Sweat Baby, sweat baby

White Chocolate posted:

My understanding was that you become a Sergeant a month after completing BLC? Also we got rid of CPLs in the reserves a while ago. I had to demote my best E4 from CPL to SPC when that came down. He earned that poo poo(probably shouldíve been an SSG)

Or maybe itís just if youíve been to the board first. 😂

Retrowave Joe
Jul 20, 2001
Be heroes.

White Chocolate posted:

My understanding was that you become a Sergeant a month after completing BLC? Also we got rid of CPLs in the reserves a while ago. I had to demote my best E4 from CPL to SPC when that came down. He earned that poo poo(probably shouldíve been an SSG)

I canít speak for the Guard, but there are still CPLs in the Reserve. My command alone has almost two dozen. Also, promotions are done every odd month for SGT. Getting picked up depends on promotion points and if thereís a vacancy within the maximum travel distance you put on the election of options form, plus a few other business rules.

Retrowave Joe fucked around with this message at 00:49 on Feb 7, 2021

Bell_
Sep 3, 2006

Tiny Baltimore





I was a Corporal for about a year. It meant my supervisors didn't need to worry about giving me developmental counseling each month because I was an NCO, and that I didn't need an NCOER because I was E-4.

GD_American
Jul 21, 2004

427 TOTALLY LEGITIMATE, DEFENSIBLE NATIONAL TITLES AND COUNTING


Bell_ posted:

I was a Corporal for about a year. It meant my supervisors didn't need to worry about giving me developmental counseling each month because I was an NCO, and that I didn't need an NCOER because I was E-4.

When did this buttfuckery start?

not caring here
Feb 22, 2012

blazemastah 2 dry 4 u

GD_American posted:

I was literally told while I was under a Humvee to join a snap formation and then got pinned Corporal right there. Weirdly enough, it was just in time to fill a hole in the DA-6 that someone had left for a CQ NCO that night.

A first sergeant of mine just pushed a corporal insignia into my hand one day and told me to just pin that poo poo on whenever I needed to move a vehicle by myself.

Loden Taylor
Aug 11, 2003










GD_American posted:

When did this buttfuckery start?

EES won't accept NCOERs for E4s. You can plug your CPLs in as E5s, but actually submitting the NCOER apparently causes problems down the line in ways I don't remember because I don't work in S1.

So you either give them monthly counselings like a Specialist or just keep doing quarterly NCOER support forms whatever I've been a Corporal for 3 years and I've got 4 months until I ETS gently caress it

e: forgot the point of the whole thing; in practice, either the monthly counselings or quarterly support forms trail off to zero because you fall in the gaps in the system

Loden Taylor fucked around with this message at 04:30 on Feb 7, 2021

GD_American
Jul 21, 2004

427 TOTALLY LEGITIMATE, DEFENSIBLE NATIONAL TITLES AND COUNTING


not caring here posted:

A first sergeant of mine just pushed a corporal insignia into my hand one day and told me to just pin that poo poo on whenever I needed to move a vehicle by myself.

Jesus that is awesome.


Loden Taylor posted:

EES won't accept NCOERs for E4s. You can plug your CPLs in as E5s, but actually submitting the NCOER apparently causes problems down the line in ways I don't remember because I don't work in S1.

So you either give them monthly counselings like a Specialist or just keep doing quarterly NCOER support forms whatever I've been a Corporal for 3 years and I've got 4 months until I ETS gently caress it

We had two corporals in my first line unit, they were stuck on points for several years and I swear I remember one of them bitching about a poo poo NCOER.

This was 04-05 so I imagine many, many things have changed.

I only wore CPL for about a month before I picked up SGT. Which I later gave back when I declined a PLDC (now BLC) date 3 months from my ETS. I expected to get screamed at, but it was all very cordial. They talked to me like an adult. I was happy walking out of there and pinning on the sham shield again.

spacetoaster
Feb 10, 2014




I ran into a dude who is a person of significant rank/power (currently) that I knew as a captain in the early 2000's. I didn't really give a poo poo and was polite because I was just passing by.

However, after this morning's PT poo poo I remembered the dude more clearly.

This rear end in a top hat was like Torquemada when it came to hunting down gay Soldiers back then. If you did anything that wasn't super macho manly you were going to get called gay (other words were used, but they get you banned on this forum), publicly shamed, and investigated. And if you were actually gay you'd be outed and kicked out.

Real piece of poo poo and I'm not sure what to do now.

LtCol J. Krusinski
May 7, 2013


spacetoaster posted:

I ran into a dude who is a person of significant rank/power (currently) that I knew as a captain in the early 2000's. I didn't really give a poo poo and was polite because I was just passing by.

However, after this morning's PT poo poo I remembered the dude more clearly.

This rear end in a top hat was like Torquemada when it came to hunting down gay Soldiers back then. If you did anything that wasn't super macho manly you were going to get called gay (other words were used, but they get you banned on this forum), publicly shamed, and investigated. And if you were actually gay you'd be outed and kicked out.

Real piece of poo poo and I'm not sure what to do now.

Call his rear end out. Whatís the worse that could happen, they make you join the Army?

spacetoaster
Feb 10, 2014




LtCol J. Krusinski posted:

Call his rear end out. Whatís the worse that could happen, they make you join the Army?

It also got me thinking that DADT ended in late 2011. That's less than 10 years ago. How many fuckers like this guy are still walking around.

LtCol J. Krusinski
May 7, 2013


spacetoaster posted:

It also got me thinking that DADT ended in late 2011. That's less than 10 years ago. How many fuckers like this guy are still walking around.

Plenty. I mean that too, thereís plenty around.

A Bad Poster
Sep 25, 2006
Seriously, shut the fuck up.



It'll take at least another 20 years to flush all the scum like them out of the system.

spacetoaster
Feb 10, 2014




A Bad Poster posted:

It'll take at least another 20 years to flush all the scum like them out of the system.

They'll all just be DA civilians then.

boop the snoot
Jun 3, 2016


And a non-zero percent of them will probably be holding a public office.

spacetoaster
Feb 10, 2014




ACFT has taken another blow.

https://taskandpurpose.com/news/army-acft-changes-gender/

Possibly getting rid of the whole gender neutral stuff.

Mr. Nice!
Oct 13, 2005



spacetoaster posted:

ACFT has taken another blow.

https://taskandpurpose.com/news/army-acft-changes-gender/

Possibly getting rid of the whole gender neutral stuff.

I did not realize they were scoring men and women together. The army continues to amaze me with its stupidity.

Retrowave Joe
Jul 20, 2001
Be heroes.

Yeah the idea was that it was based on your MOS, but the exercises they chose ended up making it super easy for guys to pass and super hard for women (86% fail rate on the leg tuck).

Mr. Nice!
Oct 13, 2005



Retrowave Joe posted:

Yeah the idea was that it was based on your MOS, but the exercises they chose ended up making it super easy for guys to pass and super hard for women (86% fail rate on the leg tuck).

I just looked up what a leg tuck is and loving army just

Retrowave Joe
Jul 20, 2001
Be heroes.

Right? Theyíve instituted a 2-minute plank as an alternative but like...why not just make that the event? I get that itís one less piece of equipment you need to buy from your retired CSM contractor buddy, but for fucks sake.

spacetoaster
Feb 10, 2014




Just change the situp event to a crunch and keep the APFT.

rifles
Oct 8, 2007
is this thing working

spacetoaster posted:

Just change the situp event to a crunch and keep the APFT.

Do this, and if they REAAALLY feel the need to have a separate MOS-specific "combat test" like the Marines have.

I think the whole leg tuck thing was a compromise for pull-ups in the first place. I think it's supposed to come from ARMY CLIMBING DRILLSģ 1 AND 2 which are not great, and every time I've ever done it or seen it done it's been questionable with girls getting ever-so-helpfully spotted by dudes grabbing their asses.

PeterCat
Apr 8, 2020

Believe women.


Active Duty folks, with the winter weather, are your commanders having you stay home or are they having you report in person to tell you to go and stay home?

boop the snoot
Jun 3, 2016


Eagerly awaiting the AD dude to tell us that they had a 0545 accountability formations and a 5-mile run this morning.

The Rat
Aug 29, 2004

You will find no one to help you here. Beth DuClare has been dissected and placed in cryonic storage.



-20F was the cutoff in Alaska to where we couldn't run outside anymore.

I do not miss that poo poo.

Maybe they've changed it since then? Kinda doubt it though.

spacetoaster
Feb 10, 2014




We did front/back/gos and log rolls in the snow.

Then went on a run.


j/k. I skip PT and don't go in til 0900.

A Bad Poster
Sep 25, 2006
Seriously, shut the fuck up.



The Rat posted:

-20F was the cutoff in Alaska to where we couldn't run outside anymore.

I do not miss that poo poo.

Maybe they've changed it since then? Kinda doubt it though.

As of 5 years ago, no. Lots of days with eyelashes freezing together.

rifles
Oct 8, 2007
is this thing working

The guard is fun, just happened to check my email and saw an iperms update notification. Apparently I got "promoted" out of my brigade last week. Nobody contacted me, nobody in my chain heard anything, no orders, just a permanent change of assignment in my iperms. Waiting to hear more this week but wtf?

bulletsponge13
Apr 28, 2010


rifles posted:

The guard is fun, just happened to check my email and saw an iperms update notification. Apparently I got "promoted" out of my brigade last week. Nobody contacted me, nobody in my chain heard anything, no orders, just a permanent change of assignment in my iperms. Waiting to hear more this week but wtf?

I reported to my assigned section for 3 months before anyone told me I had been transferred to a different unit while deployed. Nobody thought about it until I asked to get paid.

SMEGMA_MAIL
May 4, 2018


THUNDERDOME LOSER 2021





PeterCat posted:

Active Duty folks, with the winter weather, are your commanders having you stay home or are they having you report in person to tell you to go and stay home?

Iím Navy but once after leaving the hospital after a 24 hour shift during a hurricane I went home and collapsed only to be woken up by my then girlfriend who saw like 30 missed calls and messages to tell me that I needed to drive back to the hospital through the storm because everyone needed to stay at the hospital to make sure we werenít driving back through the storm.

Nice and hot piss
Jan 31, 2004



SpaceSDoorGunner posted:

Iím Navy but once after leaving the hospital after a 24 hour shift during a hurricane I went home and collapsed only to be woken up by my then girlfriend who saw like 30 missed calls and messages to tell me that I needed to drive back to the hospital through the storm because everyone needed to stay at the hospital to make sure we werenít driving back through the storm.

*hugs DD-214*

Secretly wonders if re-enlisting in the reserves is a good idea

to add context: I'm waiting to hear after my interview with nurse practitioner school. If accepted I will gather a large amount of debt. The options for student repayment are slim unless you want to work in a very, very rural area for 4 years anyways. Weighing my options, but I have never seen what the MEDCOM side of stuff looks like so I don't know if it's going to be typical army *as I would expect*

Nice and hot piss fucked around with this message at 23:57 on Feb 16, 2021

spacetoaster
Feb 10, 2014




Nice and hot piss posted:

*hugs DD-214*

Secretly wonders if re-enlisting in the reserves is a good idea

to add context: I'm waiting to hear after my interview with nurse practitioner school. If accepted I will gather a large amount of debt. The options for student repayment are slim unless you want to work in a very, very rural area for 4 years anyways. Weighing my options, but I have never seen what the MEDCOM side of stuff looks like so I don't know if it's going to be typical army *as I would expect*

What's your MOS? If it's not a slacker MOS you could re-enlist with a new MOS school in the contract (and be a huge slacker).

The most recent deal I saw a guy get was 50,000 in loans paid off for a 6 year enlistment in the reserves. There's also bonuses.

There's also stuff in the reserves where they'll just flat out pay a lot of your school bills every semester as long as you aren't flagged.

SMEGMA_MAIL
May 4, 2018


THUNDERDOME LOSER 2021





I work in nursing now, itís definitely not as bad as being in a ship but every once in a while something incredibly fleet happens like that story above.

Ashmole
Oct 5, 2008

This wish was granted by Former DILF

PeterCat posted:

Active Duty folks, with the winter weather, are your commanders having you stay home or are they having you report in person to tell you to go and stay home?

lol

Nice and hot piss
Jan 31, 2004



spacetoaster posted:

What's your MOS? If it's not a slacker MOS you could re-enlist with a new MOS school in the contract (and be a huge slacker).

The most recent deal I saw a guy get was 50,000 in loans paid off for a 6 year enlistment in the reserves. There's also bonuses.

There's also stuff in the reserves where they'll just flat out pay a lot of your school bills every semester as long as you aren't flagged.

50k for the reserves? and I think that a majority of those only cover undergraduate programs. Mine would be a doctoral program.

Also my MOS was 19D, the biggest thing around here oddly enough is either Motor T or PSYOPS.

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spacetoaster
Feb 10, 2014




SpaceSDoorGunner posted:

I work in nursing now, itís definitely not as bad as being in a ship but every once in a while something incredibly fleet happens like that story above.

Medical MOS's in the reserves aren't too bad as everyone, everywhere, has a shortage. Which means you might be assigned to the unit near your home, but if you ever get bored you can take a job somewhere else for a few weeks/months.

Not reserves, but a buddy of mine (who is also about to retire) just took a 9 month stint in a very nice tropical country that the US wants to expand relations with. His job is to basically chill out and do whatever (He's a scuba dude) he wants with no supervision and to get random questions SOUTHCOM wants answered.

There's tons of little jobs all over the world from 3 weeks all the way up to a year and a half if you just want to go somewhere.

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