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Grape
Nov 16, 2017

Happily shilling for China!

FFT posted:

i'll have you know i did quite a bit more than that (but fair point on the timg):





Awesome cutting edge humor from circa your reg date.

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endlessmonotony
Nov 4, 2009

by Fritz the Horse

Moon Slayer posted:

It's a bad comic, OP. You made a bad comic.

This is the thread for bad comics though.

Dirk the Average
Feb 7, 2012

"This may have been a mistake."

endlessmonotony posted:

This is the thread for bad comics though.

But we haven't talked about Seinfeld in a while?

Nenonen
Oct 22, 2009

Mulla on aina kolkyt donaa taskussa

endlessmonotony posted:

This is the thread for bad comics though.

And also for mocking them, so those posts also fit!

Raised By Birds
May 5, 2013

Ben posted:

AOC “THINKS” MORE WIND TURBINES WILL SOLVE ALL OUR PROBLEMS

In Texas, the cold snap and power outages have finally abated. For nearly a week millions of Texans suffered power blackouts during severely cold weather. Water was out as well. For awhile, Texas was plunged into the Dark Ages.

Part of the problem is America’s crumbling infrastructure. It is something President Trump addressed. He wanted to build new power plants, airports, bridges, and highways. Instead we have Biden carrying on Obama’s work of destroying America for the benefit of socialism and our enemy, China.

Biden’s regime did not want Texans to resort to emergency measures and burn more fossil fuels. Instead they had to rely on malfunctioning wind and solar farms, which proved ineffectual. It’s a bitter cold irony that Texas is rich in oil, yet the power still went out and for those who did get power, their electric bills skyrocketed.

Via Zero Hedge:

With the worst of the Texas power crisis now behind us, the blame and finger-pointing begins, and while the jury is still out whose actions (or lack thereof) may have led to the deadly and widespread blackouts that shocked Texas this week, Cascend Strategy writes that “in case there was any doubt why the Texas grid collapsed, the data is clear”

Wind failed as “Ice storms knocked out nearly half the wind-power generating capacity of Texas on Sunday as a massive deep freeze across the state locked up wind turbine generators, creating an electricity generation crisis.”

Natural gas made up the difference for a while

But then everything else followed down
[the graph I'm adding after the text block was inserted here]

Alexandria Ocasio Cortez said her new Green New Deal would have helped to prevent the blackouts in Texas. It’s illogical for her to believe that climate change, global warming, and white supremacy are causing blackouts, but logic isn’t illuminating the socialist mind of AOC.

Also- Sen. Schumer said he hopes Texas “learned a lesson,” attributing the significant energy issues to officials who have “ignored climate change.”

—Ben Garrison




Dig that overlapping text.

Space Cadet Omoly
Jan 15, 2014

~Groovy~


To be clear: Garrison is full of poo poo, wind turbines didn't cause the blackouts

https://www.factcheck.org/2021/02/wind-turbines-didnt-cause-texas-energy-crisis/

Twelve by Pies
May 4, 2012

Again a very likpatous story
Fox News was pushing the "Wind turbines caused the power outages" really drat hard the past couple of days so that's now the talking point for chuds.

Grape
Nov 16, 2017

Happily shilling for China!
lol at how desperate the right wing message machine is when their only comeback is "actually Texas is a hyper Portlandia style green eco-commune powered entirely by wind"

DalaranJ
Apr 15, 2008

Yosuke will now die for you.

Raised By Birds posted:

“It was something President Trump addressed.”

Narrator: “By addressed, Garrison means ‘talked about’.”

Dwesa
Jul 19, 2016

Raised By Birds posted:






Dig that overlapping text.
I like that when I go to website of that Cascend company, everything except main page leads to 404 error and their FB page is liked by one person. Not suspicious at all.

Raised By Birds
May 5, 2013

DalaranJ posted:

Narrator: “By addressed, Garrison means ‘talked about’.”

INFRASTRUCTURE WEEK

Trapezium Dave
Oct 22, 2012

:australia:

Broelman:

Fourth woman makes complaint about former staffer who allegedly raped Brittany Higgins (ABC)

Rowe:


Wilcox:

Phil Gaetjens is the secretary of the PM office and Cabinet, Scott Morrison will not commit to making the result of his report public into who knew what regarding the sexual assault reports.

Leak, Son of Leak:

the_steve
Nov 9, 2005

We're always hiring!

Space Cadet Omoly posted:

To be clear: Garrison is full of poo poo, wind turbines didn't cause the blackouts

https://www.factcheck.org/2021/02/wind-turbines-didnt-cause-texas-energy-crisis/

Pretty sure that "Garrison is full of poo poo" goes without saying in this thread.

SubG
Aug 19, 2004

It's a hard world for little things.

Space Gopher posted:

Roundup Ready crops weren't created through hybridization and traditional breeding techniques. The DNA sequence for the modified enzyme they use that's not inhibited by glyphosate was originally isolated from Agrobacterium growing in a herbicide production facility, which was then modified for plant expression. You can make an argument that it's "more natural" than plants that make bacterial toxins as pesticides, because it's a modified version of an enzyme that's already present in the plant cells, but Roundup Ready couldn't exist without the same production techniques.
I stand corrected.

Is there a convenient breakdown of the different technologies used to produce different commercial crops by e.g. their economic value and/or market share? Seems like it would be a fairly clear metric for measuring how misleading the "GMOs are just like selective breeding" argument is.

And again: I'm not arguing that GMOs are bad. I think GMOs have been, apart from all of the stupid patent/IP issues, an overwhelmingly good thing in terms of food production. I just think there's a lot of meaningful discussion that ends up getting squashed because it gets condensed down into a political issue for which the only articulable arguments end up being "GMOs good" or "GMOs bad".

Trapezium Dave
Oct 22, 2012

First Dog on the Moon: After 8000 press conferences about it Australia's vaccine rollout has finally begun

Discendo Vox
Mar 21, 2013

We don't need to have that dialogue because it's obvious, trivial, and has already been had a thousand times.

SubG posted:

I stand corrected.

Is there a convenient breakdown of the different technologies used to produce different commercial crops by e.g. their economic value and/or market share? Seems like it would be a fairly clear metric for measuring how misleading the "GMOs are just like selective breeding" argument is.

And again: I'm not arguing that GMOs are bad. I think GMOs have been, apart from all of the stupid patent/IP issues, an overwhelmingly good thing in terms of food production. I just think there's a lot of meaningful discussion that ends up getting squashed because it gets condensed down into a political issue for which the only articulable arguments end up being "GMOs good" or "GMOs bad".

I am swamped and do not have time to dig in on this, but from the legal regulatory side of things, this is the USDA site for the "BE" foods law that covers GMO labeling in the US. It's pretty easy to parse.

https://www.ams.usda.gov/rules-regulations/be

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

Enjoy every sandwich.

Smellrose

Space Cadet Omoly posted:

To be clear: Garrison is full of poo poo

Oh my God :aaa:

Randalor
Sep 4, 2011




I know! At this point, I thought that both Ben and Tina were just poo poo-golems, turns out that's actually skin over the poo poo and not just dried poo poo!

Dirk the Average
Feb 7, 2012

"This may have been a mistake."

Raised By Birds posted:



Dig that overlapping text.

Even if you take this at face value, what it's actually showing is that wind energy is reducing natural gas consumption, which is an advantage in virtually every way, even if you've got your head up your rear end about climate change. Not burning a resource is better than burning a resource.

Moon Slayer
Jun 19, 2007

Burning things is so much more manly than a bunch of spindly widdle windmills though.

We gotta re-frame green energy as something more along the lines of wrestling energy away from the Earth by force or something, finally make toxic masculinity do some good.

Libra
Jan 5, 2011

Our giant blade towers will chop the poo poo out of the wind itself, completely murdering it and using its remains it to power our old-fashioned light bulbs (but not those newfangled swirly ones or those L.E.Whatchamacallits).

SubG
Aug 19, 2004

It's a hard world for little things.

Discendo Vox posted:

I am swamped and do not have time to dig in on this, but from the legal regulatory side of things, this is the USDA site for the "BE" foods law that covers GMO labeling in the US. It's pretty easy to parse.

https://www.ams.usda.gov/rules-regulations/be
Unless I'm missing something I don't think you can pull the kind of data I'm talking about out of that. You can see each of the BE "events" the FDA has reviewed, but as near as I can tell there isn't any data on how much of the market each represents.

Like under the potato data the first "BE Event" is X17, and by following the FDA review material you can see that this pertains to Rpi-vnt1.1, but there's no way (as far as I can see) to tell what proportion of the potato crop this represents, or group "similar" events--e.g. other cisgenetic modifications.

Or in the corn data they say that in 2017 32% of the corn crop globally was BE corn. So you can say that roughly 2/3rds of commercial corn is conventional versus about 1/3rd BE. But you can't determine what proportion of the BE corn was transgenic. Or whatever.

Discendo Vox
Mar 21, 2013

We don't need to have that dialogue because it's obvious, trivial, and has already been had a thousand times.

SubG posted:

Unless I'm missing something I don't think you can pull the kind of data I'm talking about out of that. You can see each of the BE "events" the FDA has reviewed, but as near as I can tell there isn't any data on how much of the market each represents.

Like under the potato data the first "BE Event" is X17, and by following the FDA review material you can see that this pertains to Rpi-vnt1.1, but there's no way (as far as I can see) to tell what proportion of the potato crop this represents, or group "similar" events--e.g. other cisgenetic modifications.

Or in the corn data they say that in 2017 32% of the corn crop globally was BE corn. So you can say that roughly 2/3rds of commercial corn is conventional versus about 1/3rd BE. But you can't determine what proportion of the BE corn was transgenic. Or whatever.

Yeah, no, just illustrating what the legal definitions are for GM activity in this area. I don't have a source handy on marketshare. I should note the linked rule, which occupies the space, is seen as ridiculously industry-friendly to the point of being a farce that lets companies very easily bury a GM food declaration where it's required. I simultaneously think that GM fears are unrelated to the much more limited realistic concerns over the subject, and that the rule is an absolute joke.

Apple Pie Hubbub
Feb 14, 2012

Take that, you greedy jerk!
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Aoi
Sep 12, 2017

Perpetually a Pain.

SubG posted:

I stand corrected.

Is there a convenient breakdown of the different technologies used to produce different commercial crops by e.g. their economic value and/or market share? Seems like it would be a fairly clear metric for measuring how misleading the "GMOs are just like selective breeding" argument is.

And again: I'm not arguing that GMOs are bad. I think GMOs have been, apart from all of the stupid patent/IP issues, an overwhelmingly good thing in terms of food production. I just think there's a lot of meaningful discussion that ends up getting squashed because it gets condensed down into a political issue for which the only articulable arguments end up being "GMOs good" or "GMOs bad".

Yeah, there's a lot of middle ground that gets erased because you have anti-GMO anti-science nuts on one side, and, well, the fact that the vast majority of GMOs are in the hands of major corporations on the other.

GMOs are neutral, in and of themselves. As with virtually everything else, it's how they're used and who they're used by that determines whether they'll be good or bad for people, and in my case, at least, my only issue with them has ever been that whole 'corporations' part, and the tendency of less than ethical behavior that goes with it.

Dr. VooDoo
May 4, 2006
Probation
Can't post for 6 hours!

Has Biden actually even done anything with immigration or is this just Ramirez being a racist rear end in a top hat?

Alhazred
Feb 16, 2011





Yes, I'm sure the democrats hates being associated with a popular politician who is not bug gently caress insane.

CAT INTERCEPTOR
Nov 9, 2004

Basically a male Margaret Thatcher

Raised By Birds posted:






Dig that overlapping text.

LOL Garrison quoting a known Russian AltRight troll site. Nice opposite of realirlty bullshit there Ben

FronzelNeekburm
Jun 1, 2001

STOP, MORTTIME

Dr. VooDoo posted:

Has Biden actually even done anything with immigration or is this just Ramirez being a racist rear end in a top hat?
https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/1350933928434151434

https://twitter.com/colinkalmbacher/status/1362537940325437452

https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1364051498506805266

Just an assembly line of citizenships and voter registrations, clearly.

Twelve by Pies
May 4, 2012

Again a very likpatous story
Ah but see Ramirez is two steps ahead. He knows Biden will be forced to abandon those policies and return to open borders, because Biden's supporters will be infuriated at his actions the same way they were infuriated when Trump did these things, and will demand he cease them. For Ramirez's cartoon to look foolish, we'd have to have liberals and leftists defending what Biden is doing, and that would never happen.

Lurdiak
Feb 26, 2006

I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people that do.


Grape posted:

lol at how desperate the right wing message machine is when their only comeback is "actually Texas is a hyper Portlandia style green eco-commune powered entirely by wind"

Doesn't matter how ridiculous the lie is if they all say it.

Ague Proof
Jun 5, 2014

they told me
I was everything

Random Axis
Jul 19, 2005

Moon Slayer posted:

Burning things is so much more manly than a bunch of spindly widdle windmills though.

We gotta re-frame green energy as something more along the lines of wrestling energy away from the Earth by force or something, finally make toxic masculinity do some good.

You mean the free energy God sends to us from Heaven like it was manna?

Microplastics
Jul 6, 2007

:discourse:
It's what's for dinner.

idgi

Obviously illegal immigration isn't the magnet, it's a magnet that attracts illegal immigration. But... what is the magnet representing? The policy? So the policy attracts illegal immigration?

Oh my god is... is the policy... making America a better place to live?

THAT DASTARDLY BIDEN :argh:

Civilized Fishbot
Apr 3, 2011

FFT posted:

i'll have you know i did quite a bit more than that (but fair point on the timg):





Sorry, I thought your comic was trying something substantially more clever than you actually intended. I won't let it happen again

skeleton warrior
Nov 12, 2016


Dr. VooDoo posted:

Has Biden actually even done anything with immigration or is this just Ramirez being a racist rear end in a top hat?

Biden has proposed a bill with massive reforms to immigration to allow a path to citizenship to current undocumented immigrants, higher immigration limits, shorter application times, and allowing migrant workers to have citizenship status.

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2021/02/18/us/joe-biden-news.amp.html

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/US_Citizenship_Act_of_2021

It’s literally the biggest opening of the borders and softening of immigration hardships in forty years. (Which isn’t saying that much in its own, as it hasn’t been since the ‘80s that anyone has tried to make immigration easier in this country.)

skeleton warrior fucked around with this message at 14:33 on Feb 23, 2021

Mr. Squishy
Mar 22, 2010

A country where you can always get richer.

Maybe it's been discussed ad nausem, but i hate this style of lettering

NAG
Jul 13, 2009

Hellbeard posted:

A political cartoon for Israel's up and coming elections:



Translation-
Glove arrow says "my vote". The labels of the characters say, left to right "Jihad and Khmer Rouge", "baloon party for normies that believe television", "Bibi", "???", and "far right". The baloon text says "politics is the art of the possible". The indications on the triangle are, left to right "suicide" "licking the boot of the \[european\] overlord" and "Israel, nation state of the Jews".

betaraywil
Dec 30, 2006

Gather the wind
Though the wind won't help you fly at all


* Yahoo News

Ed. https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/immigrant-children-camp-texas-biden/2021/02/22/05dfd58c-7533-11eb-8115-9ad5e9c02117_story.html

betaraywil fucked around with this message at 15:42 on Feb 23, 2021

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FFT
Dec 28, 2005

keyboard ⌨️​ :clint: cowboy

Civilized Fishbot posted:

Sorry, I thought your comic was trying something substantially more clever than you actually intended. I won't let it happen again
Pretty sure you were just trying to insult me for being "under the impression that the God of the Hebrew Bible had nothing to say about war, and how it should be properly conducted" but the actual joke (such as it was) went over your head so no worries there.

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