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I saw it on the weekend, it was fine; 6/10. I like it better than WW84 but I didn't really find it all that funny. It seemed like all the good jokes were in the trailer. I enjoyed GotG a bit more. Maybe it's because theaters have been closed for a year but I don't get all the "OMG you have GOT to see this movie" hype that I keep hearing in the reviews.
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Everyone posted:Harley Quinn was functionally immortal in this movie due to probable future Harley Quinn products. Hence the bit where she fights her way out of the baddies' lair solo, complete with flower power effects to make it clear that we've departed from the "real world" of the film
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Aug 9, 2021 14:51
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Harley is DC's Tom Bombadil. I will not be elaborating.
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josh04 posted:Harley is DC's Tom Bombadil. I will not be elaborating. But then that makes Joker-
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https://twitter.com/allowedtohit/status/1424167057424326660?s=19 Whatever movie comes after Shang Chi is going to have one scene be heavily marketed as being shot on location as a response to this tweet.
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Aug 9, 2021 15:22
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Vintersorg posted:They bluescreened a bar? lol
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Detective No. 27 posted:https://twitter.com/allowedtohit/status/1424167057424326660?s=19 I'm pretty sure at this point Disney just shoots entire movies in front of bluescreens without scripts and then they just CGI the rest of the movie in post production
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To be fair, I didn't even notice it was green screened. I saw a video that went through all of the CGI in movies that nobody notices. It is pretty wild that basically everything from facial hair for continuity issues, shadows, crowds, and details/textures on clothing and tires has tons of small CGI work done to it that nobody ever notices. Some of the major ones I remember were: - Tobey Maguire's wig seems in Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas. - Removed tattoos from Nic Cage and Jeremy Renner. - A bunch of tiny details on building faces to make it look less like Vancouver. - Basically every outdoor scene in The Wolf of Wall Street. - Almost every modern movie where someone is driving a car and it is raining.
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Crackbone posted:Given that Harley has been in back to back flops WB will probably conclude people are sick of her. Yeah i think it’s extremely clear now that Harley Quinn alone is not enough to get people to watch these movies.
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John Cena's character was very interesting to me because so much of his wrestling career has been built on military dick riding I'm sure I'm not the first person to have picked up on this though, and it could v well be intentional
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:To be fair, I didn't even notice it was green screened. Disney clearly is exploiting VFX labor for the most menial poo poo to save every dollar they can. Cheaper to just underpay a farm of VFX artists than to shoot on location with extras and crew.
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josh04 posted:Harley is DC's Tom Bombadil. I will not be elaborating. Nah, that's Bat-Mite.
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teagone posted:Disney clearly is exploiting VFX labor for the most menial poo poo to save every dollar they can. Cheaper to just underpay a farm of VFX artists than to shoot on location with extras and crew. Is there anywhere you could find a breakdown of what that scene (or something of similarly small scope) would cost on location vs CGI?
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The REAL Goobusters posted:Yeah i think it’s extremely clear now that Harley Quinn alone is not enough to get people to watch these movies. The issue’s not the ‘Harley Quinn’ character, but that she was originally disturbingly crazy, along the same lines as Michelle Pfeiffer’s Catwoman. Suicide Squad 1’s Harley is in this toxic sadomasochistic relationship that deviates from all standards of health and decency, and she fuckin loves it because it’s addictive, self-destructive, etc. Harley is a character whose goal is to transcend human experience by taking all of the drugs and opening the hellraiser puzzle box, then taking more drugs.... And that’s simply entertaining to watch. Sequel-Harley is like “I regret that lifestyle and will only indulge in moderate zaniness henceforth”. That’s a “good message” for Today’s Hypothetical Potato-Brained Youths (so that they don’t get tricked into eating a Tide Pod, or whatever), but it’s dull as dishwater and audiences don’t like it.
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The REAL Goobusters posted:Yeah i think it’s extremely clear now that Harley Quinn alone is not enough to get people to watch these movies. Didn’t the only movie with Harley in it released not during a pandemic make money and win an Oscar? BoP was only at the start of the pandemic but it also had the worst ad campaign I can think of for a modern big budget comic movie.
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The Harley Quinn cartoon was really fun though. I think I just don't need any more of Margot Robbie in that role.
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Detective No. 27 posted:https://twitter.com/allowedtohit/status/1424167057424326660?s=19
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Crackbone posted:Is there anywhere you could find a breakdown of what that scene (or something of similarly small scope) would cost on location vs CGI? It's fairly well documented how overworked/underpaid VFX artists are. It's not hard to employ hypothetical breakdowns of how much more hiring extras, set dressers, craft services, etc., to shoot on location would be compared to just dumping two actors in some backlot against a blue screen and having a handful of VFX artists paint in the set later. [edit] Curiously, there is also no VFX union in the film industry. [edit 2] relevant reddit thread/youtube essay https://www.reddit.com/r/vfx/comments/hr2xlt/why_are_there_no_vfx_unions/ teagone fucked around with this message at 20:49 on Aug 9, 2021 |
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Spacebump posted:Didn’t the only movie with Harley in it released not during a pandemic make money and win an Oscar? Yeah you know who else was in that? Will Smith
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What I'm guessing happened for the scene in that tweet is that there was a real version of the scene filmed on location at one point, but they realized there was something not working during post production and then did some reshoots with different dialogue - the scene itself is a big exposition dump for Yelena's past, and sets up her relationship with her sister moving forward, so I could see them taking a couple of passes to get it right. It's not as bad as Josstice League or Fant4stic, but there's a pretty big giveaway in the strong rim light they've given her in the reshoot version (specifically how it makes her hair glow and puts a large bright patch on her shoulder). Original:  Reshoot: 
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Aug 9, 2021 23:20
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josh04 posted:Harley is DC's Tom Bombadil. I will not be elaborating. This slayed me, too true. I'm not sure why, it's just true. I gotta listen to the unabridged Harley Quinn audiobook narrated by Rob Inglis. I like The Suicide Squad a good bit. Not all the bits fully landed, but overall I found it very solid. It's playing with classic genre pieces, "men on a mission" movie, corrupt caricatures, Deadpool 2-esque gags and tone, some of that ol' James Gunn magic (loved the Lloyd Kaufman cameo), just a good time. I guess the stuff that worked best felt you might say "easy", or they make it look easy, but I'm happy that it worked. Since for me this is the first one that worked in this series thingy, third time's the charm for Harley. As an adaptation (very loose), as an entry in this style of movie, overall it's just interesting to see where they're going, and what they went with. I like Idris Elba's Bloodsport, pretty much an original character. Pastiche of Deadshot and Deathstroke etc. A while back I read some of that Byrne Superman stuff, including the first appearance of Bloodsport, and it's just a different character. The movie gave a nod to Bloodsport shooting Superman, but other than that it's just a cool name for a new honorable guns for hire guy. And that said, I wonder why this Bloodsport would have shot Superman. I guess he was hired to do it? Still seems like a bad idea. Not that his backstory was too crucial. He just elevated the material and ruled I'd say. Big Idris fan. https://collider.com/idris-elba-reveals-he-signed-on-for-the-suicide-squad-without-knowing-anything/ (Just took a look at that article, talks a bit about Idris and how they came up with the character.) I think for me it worked best when played a bit straight. When it leaned too into a gag (say the beginning gag with the first team), it just didn't quite land. Then when it got into the more earnest genre stuff, like us rooting for Bloodsport, the lovable Rat Catcher 2 etc, along with the flourishes of nutty interactions and kooky stuff, that worked for me. And again, it's funny how easy it looks to say make King Shark a beloved star, but I think they did it. Easy or not, King Shark has those soulful eyes, that performance, he's the new Boris Karloff meets James Dean. He has arrived. I think. Also, it's gotta be good to be a hot movie director who gets to put his favorite songs all over his movies. I often am not 100% sure on why a director made their choices, but it pretty much works well enough. Like that mercenary heist movie Triple Frontier, it had an 80s Metallica motif for some reason. I feel like they could have picked anything really, but I still enjoyed those classics. As for The Suicide Squad's vibe of Pixies and whatnot, seemed to fit pretty well. I would've enjoyed some The Pillows on there, I think it would've fit, that would've been inspired. What is King Shark if not a Blues Drive Monster? Do we not Ride on Shooting Star by the end of the film? I believe Bloodsport could be The Last Dinosaur. Is Polka Dot Man not a Strange Chameleon? And there's only One Life, etc. The Pillows. Also, Harley Quinn's "Hey Ho Let's Go" backpack, I'm gonna say it. I love the Ramones, and I appreciate that Harley also is into the Ramones, I had no idea. Why no Ramones cut on the soundtrack though, James? Commando, Let's Go from End of the Century, Gimme Gimme Shock Treatment, hello James? Cretin Hop? I wanna go for a whirl with my cretin girl? I'd like to have a talk with Mr Gunn about this, does he have an AMA coming up I wonder. Jimbot posted:Ghost Rider 2 had a superior Idris Elba performance therefor it is better than Suicide Squad 2. I love Neveldine and Taylor, and Cage of course, I didn't feel that made much use of Idris myself. I'm more of a Luther guy, I like a shouting Pacino Idris. A cool Stringer Idris also works, but you gotta give us a lot of Idris. I personally find Gamer to be the better random B-tier film by those guys. Crank of course being their masterpiece. We sure need a Crank 3. Heavy Metal fucked around with this message at 01:07 on Aug 10, 2021 |
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The Suicide Squad was not good. It wasn’t a particularly interesting movie on its face, and then has the thickest layer yet of that weird James Gunn smugness where he just KNOWS this dumb poo poo is HILARIOUS. Angels splooging. I had to do a number two. Terrible.
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Getting upset that a bunch of fictional leftist guerilla fighters die for laughs is... Odd. A giant starfish presumably murders thousands of innocent people.
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Aug 10, 2021 06:14
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excuse me they’re fictional right wing guerillas so it’s fine
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Alec Eiffel posted:Getting upset that a bunch of fictional leftist guerilla fighters die for laughs is... Odd. A giant starfish presumably murders thousands of innocent people. Most movies are fictional, so that's a pretty convenient way to cut off any criticism.
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Alec Eiffel posted:Getting upset that a bunch of fictional leftist guerilla fighters die for laughs is... Odd. A giant starfish presumably murders thousands of innocent people.
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It’s a sign that I’m a jaded old person now but I genuinely get pretty peeved when protagonists drive dangerously in movies and it’s played off as necessary or funny. Automobile accidents kill millions every year. Pop culture goes a long way to normalize lovely anti-social behavior.
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Vegetable posted:It’s a sign that I’m a jaded old person now but I genuinely get pretty peeved when protagonists drive dangerously in movies and it’s played off as necessary or funny. Automobile accidents kill millions every year. Pop culture goes a long way to normalize lovely anti-social behavior. well this sure was a take
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Vegetable posted:It’s a sign that I’m a jaded old person now but I genuinely get pretty peeved when protagonists drive dangerously in movies and it’s played off as necessary or funny. Automobile accidents kill millions every year. Pop culture goes a long way to normalize lovely anti-social behavior. Counter point vehicular accidents are often quite funny in films. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jt2f-Zpe80 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mikj8eDKxMQ
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Alec Eiffel posted:Getting upset that a bunch of fictional leftist guerilla fighters die for laughs is... Odd. A giant starfish presumably murders thousands of innocent people. I mean obviously it's very funny when leftists die, I would just have expected it to affect something else in the movie, like maybe the daughter of the deposed president betrays them as payback or something. It feels a bit strange that the punchline exists on its own. Like when Harley kills the president that's funny, but also afterwards she has to IDDQD her way to freedom. Apropos of nothing, what were those things on Peter Capaldi's head? Did they do anything? I don't remember them ever getting used at all
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They make his brain good.
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Vegetable posted:It’s a sign that I’m a jaded old person now but I genuinely get pretty peeved when protagonists drive dangerously in movies and it’s played off as necessary or funny. Automobile accidents kill millions every year. Pop culture goes a long way to normalize lovely anti-social behavior. Davey and Goliath was a pretty good comic book movie
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It's pretty much slay kween Bay of Pigs. Would be forgiven if Harley ends up taking over as the new dictator.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:It's pretty much slay kween Bay of Pigs. You even don’t need to go back to the ‘60s; Suicide Squad 2 depicts a non-funny, successful version of the infamous real-world “Operation Gideon” from last year. “60 guys can go in and inspire the military and police to flip and join in the liberation of their country, which deep down is what they want." That’s right: under the bad jokes, Suicide Squad 2 fundamentally presents a positive, supportive view of the recent botched attack on Venezuela that left six dead (including two Trump-supporter mercenaries) and seventeen captured, with literal photos of them pissing themselves circulating online. Even the “sixty-nine” joke seems like an attempted redemption of Gideon, since the general character is all worried that sixty-odd men might have invaded the country. In reality, 60 was considered insane and pathetic by everyone.
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:Even the “sixty-nine” joke seems like an attempted redemption of Gideon, since the general character is all worried that sixty-odd men might have invaded the country. In reality, 60 was considered insane and pathetic by everyone. The Cuban revolution began with 60 guerrilla fighters in the mountains.
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Necrothatcher posted:The Cuban revolution began with 60 guerrilla fighters in the mountains. A good meta joke with US intelligence agencies being genuinely inspired by Castro but totally ignoring his "moral bullet proof vest", aka popular support.
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Necrothatcher posted:The Cuban revolution began with 60 guerrilla fighters in the mountains. That's a very different scenario. Operation Gideon was an invasion attempt using two small boatloads of dissidents and mercs, that immediately failed because the official government had plenty of advance knowledge of the attack. Suicide Squad 2 basically just swapped out the boats with helicopters, and swapped out (most of) the right-wing dissidents with cartoon animals and popular character Harley Quinn.
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