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Neurolimal
Nov 3, 2012


Millar's always struck me as the poor man's Garth Ennis, and a lot of people already have issues with Ennis at his best

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Neurolimal
Nov 3, 2012


Brie larson's gonna teach a disadvantaged youth how to pilot a predator drone, gonna be great

Neurolimal
Nov 3, 2012


"Dont worry, they were both CIA assets" isn't exactly a message of empowerment

Neurolimal
Nov 3, 2012


"This character defined entirely by this struggle doesnt actually care about the struggle and is just an evil monster man" is honestly the lamest characterization, in any movie or game or comic it gets used in. It's backpedaling at the 11th hour because you aren't confident in your heroes' motives.

I'd honestly have more respect for Black Panther if they had the stones to not have any Evil Monster Man moments. Black Panther triumphs over the radical while mockingly bearing the title of a radical group, and you will cheer, drat you.

Neurolimal
Nov 3, 2012


My qualm with "they weren't true revolutionaries, they were evil angry monster men who dont care about the cause" is that we aren't talking about real people. They were written this way to undermine the case against the status quo. Killmonger, Bane, Fitzroy, these aren't based on actual people (insofar as the evil revenge monster man part), they exist to make the opposition Dumb And So Dang Crazy, so that you can feel better when the protagonist just builds an orphanage or a coding center or hugs their daughter.

Neurolimal
Nov 3, 2012


For what it's worth, a lot of the praise around [minority/disenfranchised superhero] tends to be along the lines of "my 0X year old kid has a hero who looks just like them!", and in that context I imagine you probably wouldn't want to be showing your eight year old Blade

Neurolimal
Nov 3, 2012


YOLOsubmarine posted:

Itís pretty obvious that Ross is CIA rather than State department to soften any critique of US intelligence by contrasting a good CIA agent with a bad asset. Itís not the organization thatís rotten to the core, itís just a bad apple. White supremacy can be overcome if black people just get better at science and the CIA isnít *necessarily* imperialist and savage, they just need to get the right people in charge. Itís standard liberal reformism.

It's also an overarching theme for a lot of modern Disney films, since at least The Princess and the Frog. Institutionalized racism, animal cruelty, sexism, and working class oppression can be solved by having nice rulers instead of bad rulers.

Neurolimal fucked around with this message at 18:06 on May 7, 2021

Neurolimal
Nov 3, 2012


Neo Rasa posted:

Appropriately for all the Venom chat, living suits were a thing in these 00s superhero movie concepts. Like some longterm trickle down of Venom and the T-1000 in the early 90s.

Can't blame them; it's a cool idea, opens up a lot of fun visuals (can't name a scene/panel of someones' suit melting away to reveal their face that i've hated), and gives the protagonist someone to banter with in any particular scene.

Neurolimal
Nov 3, 2012


Even as someone who will defend plenty of Marvel films, it's worrying how little auteur autonomy is being left in their pipeline; the directors dont direct the action sequences (over a third of most of these films), the editors work on set coloring guidelines, and they're not permitting showrunner-writers who can put their spin on the project.

You'd think TV would be the place they'd allow some autonomy. Netflix aimed for a different tone from Disney, had their own flops, Agents of Shield did *waves hands* and the Marvel machine still printed money, what's the harm?

Neurolimal
Nov 3, 2012


Mechafunkzilla posted:

Man I remember trying to get into Walking Dead and Invincible like 10 years ago since Kirkman was all the rage and giving up about a volume into each since it's all just so incredibly hateful. None of it felt like it had any purpose other than being unrelentingly miserable.

For what it's worth, Invincible ends on a pretty optimistic, positive note. Also features probably the most extreme superman-pastiche battle I've seen yet; Invincible and The Evil Badman throttle each other into a sun, and they fight on the sun as their flesh sears off, Invincible winning because his arch-nemesis NotLex sends him a layer of armor so he'd Melt Slower

Post-battle, Invincible and his arch-nemesis get into a war where noone dies, he's neutralized, and the rest of the issues are a montage of Invincible & children reforming the supermen diaspora.

Neurolimal
Nov 3, 2012


The Boys comic still has a lot of corporate malfeasance and Voight American attempting to take over the US Military, but it also spends a lot of its time on its 9/11 analogy, due to the time it was written. If you can tolerate Garth Ennis' juvenile humor and spurts of liberal patriotism, I'd recommend it.

Don't read Dear Becky, Herogasm is alright but entirely uneccessary and cranks the sex jokes up to 11.

Neurolimal
Nov 3, 2012


Injustice: Gods Among Us Animated Movie Officially Announced by DC, Warner Bros. Animation

Homelander, Omni-Man, those alt-universe supermen from that CW show, Adam Warlock, Injustice Superman, the new '20s are the decade of the evil superman baby. Awou (wolf Howl)

Now's a good a time as any for WB to greenlight Snyder's mad max batman movie

Neurolimal
Nov 3, 2012


I still like The Boys comic, Ennisisms and all, but you can definitely see Ennis' creation grow and mature over time, yeah. I imagine that once the series became a certain success, he felt like he didnt have to cram every joke and bizarre event into every issue.

I mentioned this in the TVIV thread, but something I enjoy from the comic is how enigmatic Butcher's motivations are; three or four characters all exposit their own compelling (but ultimately wrong) character judgements, and even after the reveal of Butcher's plan to genocide everyone with Compound V, his interactions with Hughie still cast doubt on what he really wanted. Show Butcher feels a bit more "figured out" to me, which is fine because Urban carries the character effortlessly.

Neurolimal
Nov 3, 2012


Snowman_McK posted:

I think it was a testament to how confused comic book Butcher was that he could needed multiple pages with absolute walls of text explaining himself at the end. It was such a long passage that, now, I honestly can't remember the conclusion. I just wanted it to end. Which actually summarises the whole back half of the Boys for me.

Eh, I think his motivations (at least what he gives) are pretty simple in that issue; Butcher's set on genociding every Compound V person because of how dangerous they are, but has pangs of self-doubt due to exposure to Hughie's humanistic nature, which reminds him of his late brother. After surrounding himself with killers and politikers, A Normal Person rubs off on him. I liked that explanation because it gels with a lot of the Hughie-Butcher scenes, where their life experiences are mirrored but he ends up having a significantly more moral reaction.

Neurolimal fucked around with this message at 04:59 on May 20, 2021

Neurolimal
Nov 3, 2012


Apologies if these have already been posted:




I dig the collar, some people aren't into the skinny-looking neck, I'd have to wait for the movie to know how I feel about it; it gives him a bit more of a youthful, vulnerable vibe, and I dont know if that conflicts with the film yet, obviously.

Neurolimal
Nov 3, 2012


No clue, it was bundled with the others. Admittedly I didnt do too much research beyond "huh neat, I wonder if the comic thread has talked about the costume yet".

Neurolimal
Nov 3, 2012


Was it built on top of the natives of the land, or are they trying to avoid the most obvious ethnostate comparison

Neurolimal
Nov 3, 2012



The Mauler Twins make it to the end of the comics, though it's often because Kirkman can kill them with minimal reprecussions. They are pretty fun though.

Neurolimal
Nov 3, 2012


I think JL also had the stench of being a trendchaser on it.

I've only come into contact with one person talking about it, which at least inspired me to look up what it's about; "fake superman struggling to keep up the pretense of being an apolitical superhero while his family gets tired of his bullshit" isn't the worst thing, but hits a lot of beats Invincible and Watchmen and The Boys have already or are already getting into. I dont think people needed "that, but the costumes are worse".

Neurolimal fucked around with this message at 03:08 on Jun 3, 2021

Neurolimal
Nov 3, 2012


I liked Invincible, liked The Boys, would have been on-board with Snyder's Bat Max film, was ambivalent on the Watchmen series, Jupiter's Legacy is honestly the first big miss on the Bad Superman concept for me, and from what i'm hearing I've no idea if they even get that deep into Bad Superman before they were canceled. I've still got interest in the Injustice cartoon, at the least.

I'd like to see more Batman Bad, but I guess that's too easy of a target. How's the White Knight series?

Neurolimal
Nov 3, 2012


For what it's worth, "lol blue cat people, penis hair" jokes were everywhere when Avatar first hit. It definitely invaded the zeitgeist, for however fleeting a time.

Mainly, I'm just happy that James Cameron got a carte blanche check to go diving under the guise of making a sequel.

Neurolimal
Nov 3, 2012


AccountSupervisor posted:

Its kind of amazing how the parallels between the start of the actual comics rivalry has sort of been revived for their film universes.

Tbf I think SCJL is better than the Super-Sons

Neurolimal
Nov 3, 2012


Imo theres value in the Marvel way insofar as it can cut a lot of exposition, and provides it a la carte; dont need a movie showing who Doctor Strange is? Then you dont need to watch Doctor Strange for this other movie Doctor Strange is in.

Where things get annoying is the insistence that characters have to be treated this way, because it's what Marvel did (which gets weird when you consider how often other franchises are mocked for imitating Marvel). A lot of the time you dont need a two hour+ movie for The Guy that Grows Big or Water King to get their schtick! Sometimes their introductory sequence can be thematically appropriate for this other story! It's not like movies with large ensembles were invented by Marvel.

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Neurolimal
Nov 3, 2012


The waynes have never had to work in the service industry and they'll be damned if they have to start now

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