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1919 expropriate the expropriators
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# ¿ Jan 24, 2021 10:38 |
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# ¿ Apr 18, 2024 06:05 |
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oops wrong thread
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# ¿ Jan 24, 2021 10:39 |
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soup. posted:It's a truly emergent phenomenon of selfless, raging hatred, and it's being weaponized through spontaneous coordinated action by stakeholders in the financial markets. There's an entire spasming cumdump of theory in this.
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# ¿ Jan 28, 2021 08:13 |
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Delta-Wye posted:imagine four stocks on the edge of a cliff.
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# ¿ Jan 30, 2021 09:34 |
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Serf posted:malthusianism never really goes away huh it's the logical outcome of bourgeois idealism. oxsnard posted:I'm saying they have less to lose as a percentage of their total wealth. *Obviously* it's about power as well, I'm just saying that with increases in productivity, there's less labor needed to maintain society as they desire. They have less motivation than ever. That's all they are indeed lazy and stupid and, in our moment, have largely given up on maintaining anything but their fuckoff bunkers. this silly memestonk thing is stupid and fun but nevertheless points to a raw, bare truth of the Now - everything is up for grabs. all that's lacking is the organization and the collective will capable of overcoming the nihilism we're all socialized into and bombarded with our entire lives. which is obv hella missing and whatnot
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# ¿ Jan 31, 2021 08:26 |
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Ice Phisherman posted:They're watching us shitpost and they are bored. Hallo alphabet surveillance persons I would like to have your job plz
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# ¿ Jan 31, 2021 10:11 |
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crepeface posted:what does this have to do with number here's some fackin number for ya Figure 1. Estimate by Gail Tverberg of World Energy Consumption from 1820 to 2050. Amounts for earliest years based on estimates in Vaclav Smil’s book Energy Transitions: History, Requirements and Prospects and BP’s 2020 Statistical Review of World Energy for the years 1965 to 2019. Energy consumption for 2020 is estimated to be 5% below that for 2019. Energy for years after 2020 is assumed to fall by 6.6% per year, so that the amount reaches a level similar to renewables only by 2050. Amounts shown include more use of local energy products (wood and animal dung) than BP includes. Figure 2. Amounts shown in Figure 1, divided by population estimates by Angus Maddison for earliest years and by 2019 United Nations population estimates for years to 2020. Future population estimated to be falling half as quickly as energy supply is falling in Figure 1. World population drops to 2.8 billion by 2050. stonks are an imaginary relation to real conditions, motherfuckers can't even handle real number. https://ourfiniteworld.com/
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# ¿ Jan 31, 2021 10:42 |
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DACK FAYDEN posted:is there like a website where I can bet against this happening to the tune of "all the money in every account I have and maybe even some I don't", because goddamn yes climate change is happening but thinking more than half the people on Earth will drop dead in the next thirty years (and net zero babies beyond that) requires the perfect storm of climate, war, and plague it's an analysis based on the declining EROEI of fossil fuels leading to declining energy inputs leading to mass death, it has almost nothing to do with covid or climate. there's a whole blogosphere working off an energy based economic model - it ain't 'marxist' in the classical sense but it's still a pretty drat materialist model. they just move the basic unit of analysis from socially necessary labor time to energy inputs and crunch the numbers. it's all super doomy and blackpilled and like, this is actually the doomsday economics thread and not the gamestop gambling thread. you wanted number have some number thread. https://surplusenergyeconomics.wordpress.com/2020/11/12/184-the-objective-economy-part-one/ https://surplusenergyeconomics.wordpress.com/2020/11/23/185-the-objective-economy-part-two/ https://surplusenergyeconomics.wordpress.com/2020/12/08/186-the-objective-economy-part-three/ emTme3 has issued a correction as of 11:24 on Jan 31, 2021 |
# ¿ Jan 31, 2021 11:10 |
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bird. posted:while we *are* a little doomed i dont think this perspective carries much weight as her predictions are basically "we cant do anything without oil, which is running out" which yea we can -- dam up them rivers and emrich them uranium rods and use renewables to make up for any shortages in petro but just lmao if u dont think were not gonna get into runaway climate catastrophe before running out of petroleum you are a bird that posts.
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# ¿ Jan 31, 2021 11:29 |
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# ¿ Jan 31, 2021 11:30 |
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a bird on a keyboard, posting
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# ¿ Jan 31, 2021 11:30 |
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uncop posted:The surplus energy stuff is cool but it's not really economics, it's anti-economics. The energy system there isn't the economy, it's another system underlying the economy that forms a set of constraints that can be used to predict the downfall and end of the economy as such. The economy is a social system with social laws, while this is a physical-chemical system with entirely different laws, and those laws are in sharp contradiction. This is good post and very clarifying, thanks. It is a reductionist analysis - it realizes the hegemonic neoclassical paradigm is bullshit, but doesn't make the leap to historical materialism from there, instead flattening everything out into sheer thermodynamics. Still a useful exercise but needs a critical pass or two.
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# ¿ Jan 31, 2021 22:36 |
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ChristsDickWorship posted:dream, if you can, a market
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# ¿ Feb 1, 2021 03:17 |
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Petey posted:I read. I study and read. I bet I've read everything you've read. Don't think I haven't. I consume libraries. I wear out spines and ROM- drives. I do things like get in a taxi and say, "The library, and step on it." Are you having some difficulty making yourself understood?
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# ¿ Feb 1, 2021 03:32 |
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NeonPunk posted:The clearing house is completely in the whole scheme. They're just like the rating agencies from 2008. I am watching major motion picture 'The Big Short' (2015) and I have learned that money isn't real, the 'economy' runs on farts and confirmation bias, and capital always wins. So it's gonna be a week.
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# ¿ Feb 1, 2021 06:47 |
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commie kong posted:another wsb drop. just tremendous content.
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# ¿ Feb 1, 2021 07:44 |
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ffs
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# ¿ Feb 1, 2021 11:32 |
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the bubble started with the end of bretton woods. alternatively, the entire history of capitalism has been a bubble.
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# ¿ Feb 2, 2021 02:56 |
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dead gay comedy forums posted:btw about pessimism, the farmers' uprising in India are probably among the largest protests in the entire History and Modi went full fash there Historicizing historical materialism is a good idea. Understanding that there is no necessity that led to the present state of affairs is supposed to lead to the realization that the future is always up for grabs, and therefore there is always hope. It's just super hard to see any from any analysis of present conditions, is all.
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# ¿ Feb 4, 2021 06:59 |
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Zeno-25 posted:No? I how does that follow from incentivizing damage control wrt the carrying capacity of the planet? the planet doesn’t have a carrying capacity, but capitalism does. people are the solution, not the problem, you're a fascist.
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# ¿ Feb 5, 2021 03:40 |
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Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud posted:That stuff is fictional though. fly away troll
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# ¿ Feb 12, 2021 04:17 |
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we could still be in the timeline of god emperor trump and the imperium of man, you don't know
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# ¿ Feb 12, 2021 04:19 |
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bideo james
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# ¿ Feb 13, 2021 23:46 |
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Joey Steel posted:Basically one couple out of a big group of friends of mine were all "we're going to get married, but have girlfriends join the relationship if we both agree to it" that spiraled out to where the guy got more angry and eventually they divorced when they both started stepping out on each other. Ended up that he decided "gently caress it" took a rifle and did a house clear of everyone at one of the football parties we all used to go to. Shot everyone once to down them, then went through the house for headshots after people were incapacitated, with multiple shots to the face of some folks he was angry with at the time. Really broke the one military friend in the friend group, because that's where he got the idea from, I'm pretty sure. I wasn't at the party as I was working in another state at the time. monogamy: the worst kind of relationship, except for all the others
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# ¿ Feb 23, 2021 09:01 |
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Admiral Ray posted:the fundamental disconnect is you can't force the future to change. feudalism didn't shift into capitalism because of a concentrated group of people pushing for it, it happened because the plague killed over a third of all workers in Europe over a period of like 150 years, and the transition still took longer than that. capitalism isn't something you can shoot and be done with, it's an ex that humanity has to get over but just hasn't yet. There definitely was a concentrated group of people pushing for it after a few accumulation cycles, and it took like 3 centuries. The bourgeois revolutions were qualitatively different from the proletarian task - they lucked into a model unconsciously and then ran with it, we've been conscious of the necessity for a century and a half and have no model.
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# ¿ Feb 24, 2021 15:46 |
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Gorman Thomas posted:Girlfriend (loud, hot)
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# ¿ Feb 26, 2021 02:58 |
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oxsnard posted:
idk what any of this means, but GME is going to da moon
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# ¿ Mar 9, 2021 20:27 |
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Epic High Five posted:not sure why so many people are confused about how just one man was able to solve the problem of rent seekers and landlords, in a matter of a handful of years whereas dumbass liberals failed to given literal millennia that's what so confuzzling to liberals op. cuz truth is in the middle.
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# ¿ Mar 26, 2021 09:46 |
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Vox Nihili posted:Comfortably Number
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# ¿ Apr 10, 2021 01:06 |
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Rutibex posted:capitalism tower is better than capitalism train this movie fukken slaps
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# ¿ Apr 10, 2021 22:40 |
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the cold train movie is great - of course the premise is ridiculous, but the movie is just tight and fast paced enough for that to not matter. it's an allegory, not a loving documentary. if you roll with it the magical setting works perfectly. the literalist American tv sitcom remake, otoh
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# ¿ Apr 11, 2021 00:21 |
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Rutibex posted:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lFMpmwn_hQ with jennifer connelly! it's snowpiercer but like, both sides have good points and truth is somewhere in the middle and the revolution never really happens cuz the writers don't have the cojones to write a post-revolutionary scenario. as a setting for an interminable drama instead of a fast and brutal action movie the allegory doesn't work at loving all. it's not worth watching even if you like trainwrecks (heh). emTme3 has issued a correction as of 02:04 on Apr 11, 2021 |
# ¿ Apr 11, 2021 01:54 |
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i will say that in the good ice train movie the allegory breaks down pretty hard towards the end. if you're gonna build a big ol self-sufficient arcology it makes absolutely zero sense to have it be a brutal class society. what you're aiming for is juche-as-train, not 'let's have a couple of rear cars where people eat babies and fester in revolutionary resentment'. it's a bad planned society, that ice train. you can't replace train bits with babies. still a great movie. i just want the juche-train sequel. emTme3 has issued a correction as of 02:08 on Apr 11, 2021 |
# ¿ Apr 11, 2021 02:00 |
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WarEternal posted:I have a lifelong crush on Jennifer Connelly she's almost worth it. she makes every frame cum.
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# ¿ Apr 11, 2021 06:56 |
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Desiderata posted:So this allegory for capitalism falls apart in the end because in a society with the capacity to feed and look after everyone why would you needlessly have a stratified class system anyway, it's a closed, planned, no-growth arcology. material condition wise, it's as far from capitalism as you can get, but with the allegorical social relations stapled on top. the allegory fails because the conditions for capitalist social relations don't exist, on that cold train. if you're lucky enough to be self-consciously planning an arcology, (with an infinite power source!) the first thing you ditch is capitalist social relations or anything like them. they require expanded accumulation cycles to exist in the first place, they're intrinsically unstable and come with antagonisms of interest, idk the list of cons is infinite and there are no pros. emTme3 has issued a correction as of 12:21 on Apr 11, 2021 |
# ¿ Apr 11, 2021 12:18 |
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Desiderata posted:Imagine living on a self contained system full of people, with all that human ingenuity at our command, the ability to build machines to harness infinite power, and it is cold and unforgiving howling void outside. But then despite knowing this, still running things on human suffering anyway, despite all the pros of not doing that. I'm not saying I found a plot hole, I'm saying the social relations and material relations of the train contradict each other in way that can't be, like, solved for. I'm aware of the dramatic point of the allegory not fitting, but I'm being a stickler and pointing out that the movie is being lovely at political economy to make that point. and that there's a better, more interesting, will-never-be-made juchetrain movie that exists in the cracks and aporias of coldtrain's allegory. e: now I'm watching a nerd talk about other nerds annihilation videos. also a good movie. movie chat is better than posting number jokes but worse than doomsday econ posts. emTme3 has issued a correction as of 07:08 on Apr 12, 2021 |
# ¿ Apr 12, 2021 06:30 |
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Jel Shaker posted:the end of history will absolutely be gay space luxury communism, except the surviving human population can directly trace their genetics back to Mr Bezos, while the rest of us starved to death long ago for rlz tho - if the boog manages to automate everything and kill off all proles... wouldn't that still be communism? makes u think
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# ¿ Apr 20, 2021 04:24 |
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quote:Soviet-style, top-down planning remains a hallmark of China’s economic and political system. Five-Year Plans (FYP) continue to guide China’s economic policy by outlining the Chinese government’s priorities and signaling to central and local officials and industries the areas for future government support. The FYPs are followed by a cascade of sub-plans at the national, ministerial, provincial, and county level that attempt to translate these priorities into region- or industry-specific targets, policy strategies, and evaluation mechanisms
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# ¿ Apr 21, 2021 03:51 |
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realtalk CCP policy is a delicate balancing act between the two wings of the party (dengist/neoliberal and neomaoist) and the actual conditions, which feature both capitalist accumulation cycles and accompanying billionaires + a non-profit planned sector, and interfaces between the two. shits complicated af. so you have to tolerate the emergence of a billionaire class unless you're prepared to roll out a fully decommodified digitally planned communism, which clearly they aren't cuz they haven't. that they haven't done this yet, well probably cuz it might lead to a civil war and nobody wants that except maybe america. if they become the global hegemon they will be in a much better position to actually try fancy new internet enabled communisms or whatever, so waiting for America to die is probably part of the long term plan. i honestly think it might take another revolution to get there, but like, it's still a successful superpower that at least partially understands itself to be moving towards something not-capitalist. as long as that exists the communist horizon is still alive, however distant.
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# ¿ Apr 21, 2021 04:13 |
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# ¿ Apr 18, 2024 06:05 |
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Petey posted:the author eventually published a short academic article (https://share.getcloudapp.com/nOuoJz2m) totally stripped of the color and haunting implications of the original. but he wouldn't send me the original, just this draft of the academic piece. i had the original saved to pocket but it was in there long enough to no longer keep it and now that's gone too. ya that's the gist of Land's stuff fwiw. it's a reification of capital itself as the motor of history and an emergent autonomous intelligence. Land is a hyper reactionary now, and like most historically aware reactionaries he sort of gets how the mode of production operates, but doesn't realize that capital, for all its dominance, is just a matrix of social relations reproducing itself. it doesn't have an existence of its own without the people who are doing it like, actually doing it. an analysis sure, but insufficiently materialist, insufficiently dialectical, and morbidly antihumanist and exterminationist. I've seen Land's work described as the hegemonic ideology taken to its logical and maximally fascist conclusions, which is why he's worth reading. if you can read Land and pinpoint why and how he's wrong, you've successfully inoculated yourself against a whole swathe of lib/fash delusions. if Nietzsche had actually read Marx, Land would be the result.
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# ¿ May 2, 2021 23:49 |