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MysticalMachineGun
Apr 5, 2005




ACAB is the only constant

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animist
Aug 28, 2018




https://twitter.com/fireh9lly/status/1305791206270685184

Love Rat
Jan 15, 2008

I've made a psycho call to the woman I love, I've kicked a dog to death, and now I'm going to pepper spray an acquaintance. Something... I mean, what's happened to me?

So basically all the same dumb loving right-wingers that have been around since WWII?

Albeit with terrible tastes in pretty much everything.

Farm Frenzy
Jan 3, 2007




lol yea im into this

Arivia
Mar 17, 2011
BUT DID ANY OF YOU STOP FOR ONE SECOND TO CONSIDER HOW THIS EFFECTS ME PERSONALLY?! NO YOU DID NOT BECAUSE I AM STUPID AND UNIMPORTANT! GOOD JOB! KEEP IT UP!

Seriously though. Ignore me. For your health.

Love Rat posted:

So basically all the same dumb loving right-wingers that have been around since WWII?

Albeit with terrible tastes in pretty much everything.

TERFs are new as of 1978 or whatever.

Love Rat
Jan 15, 2008

I've made a psycho call to the woman I love, I've kicked a dog to death, and now I'm going to pepper spray an acquaintance. Something... I mean, what's happened to me?

Arivia posted:

TERFs are new as of 1978 or whatever.

Yeah, the TERFS are definitely the exception. They sort of drifted in from the 1970s left.

It works.

Arivia
Mar 17, 2011
BUT DID ANY OF YOU STOP FOR ONE SECOND TO CONSIDER HOW THIS EFFECTS ME PERSONALLY?! NO YOU DID NOT BECAUSE I AM STUPID AND UNIMPORTANT! GOOD JOB! KEEP IT UP!

Seriously though. Ignore me. For your health.

Love Rat posted:

Yeah, the TERFS are definitely the exception. They sort of drifted in from the 1970s left.

It works.

1979 was the beginning of it as a movement, sorry: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Transsexual_Empire

but yeah new and hosed up!

Azathoth
Apr 3, 2001

Blind.
Idiot.
God.



MysteriousStranger posted:

They are advocating a lot of things. Ahrami is advocating full on Christian Integeralism + socialism for right wing Christians. Josh Hawley and the other "populist GOPers" are saying that's the future + forcing the courts to decide in socially conservative ways. This is what they actually want, and this is what Dreher keeps stating he really wants as well and why he's all in on Hawley. The issue is that Dreher and others think that "big tech" is going to implement a China style social credit system that targets Christians, hence advocating of a Benedict option. On the other hand he's come out with the other Christians that if this was Spain, he'd support Franco, and the only way for Christians to get what they want in the US is with a Franco of their own, so bring on their Franco. This is also why they want to break up big tech, it's not pushing socially conservative views. So a side goal of there's is smashing companies that don't advocate for social conservatism or say put up an pride logo or sponsor a pride parade because this is discrimination against Christians.

FWIW the guys actually in power that endorse this sort of poo poo (Cruz, Rubio, Hawley) both somewhat actually seem to believe it, or seem to cynically realize it's the path to staying in power and it also doesn't hurt the donors and gives them a new class of permanent serfs.

TLDR: He's openly advocating for a Franco to do this but also telling people to withdraw from the evil society because they may not get a Franco. They thought Trump was going to be their Franco but now are all in on Hawley.

the dynamic to watch in this is how capital reacts to this movement, since i think it is actually attractive to the rank and file but dead on arrival for capital

right now, they're fine with it since hawley is a huckster and they know that as much as he may occasionally say some populist poo poo, he's a capital controlled creature to his very core. they know that when the time comes, he'll vote for everything they want and that if they tell him to really knock it off with the corporation bashing that he'll slink back to his office appropriately chastised

there's definitely a bunch of true believers in the house though, and it's going to be interesting to watch over the next decade if any of them can make the jump to senator. it wouldn't shock me, since the base is becoming increasingly hard to control and there's been some notable primaries the last couple cycles where capital tried to buy a primary against some wingnut and the wingnut won because money isn't as big a factor in primaries and the base is loving insane. it's only a matter of time before a couple of them end up in the senate

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012




Lipstick Apathy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJpznMaZ85c

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StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.









Azathoth posted:

the dynamic to watch in this is how capital reacts to this movement, since i think it is actually attractive to the rank and file but dead on arrival for capital

right now, they're fine with it since hawley is a huckster and they know that as much as he may occasionally say some populist poo poo, he's a capital controlled creature to his very core. they know that when the time comes, he'll vote for everything they want and that if they tell him to really knock it off with the corporation bashing that he'll slink back to his office appropriately chastised

there's definitely a bunch of true believers in the house though, and it's going to be interesting to watch over the next decade if any of them can make the jump to senator. it wouldn't shock me, since the base is becoming increasingly hard to control and there's been some notable primaries the last couple cycles where capital tried to buy a primary against some wingnut and the wingnut won because money isn't as big a factor in primaries and the base is loving insane. it's only a matter of time before a couple of them end up in the senate

Yeah like it's pretty much common wisdom that the Democrats aren't going to do even tepid social democracy with conditions as they are; I don't see why capital would let the Republicans actually do it any more.

RaySmuckles
Oct 14, 2009

jesus christ shut up


Grimey Drawer

StashAugustine posted:

Yeah like it's pretty much common wisdom that the Democrats aren't going to do even tepid social democracy with conditions as they are; I don't see why capital would let the Republicans actually do it any more.

the only reason i can think of is that the dems are successfully eating into the republicans' ideal base: well off white people

as much as republicans love the numbers from "others" they know true power lies in the hands of those with money and homogeneous identity

Azathoth
Apr 3, 2001

Blind.
Idiot.
God.



StashAugustine posted:

Yeah like it's pretty much common wisdom that the Democrats aren't going to do even tepid social democracy with conditions as they are; I don't see why capital would let the Republicans actually do it any more.

yeah, there's a bunch of crazyass christian dominionists in the current house gop caucus but almost without exception they're all completely captured by capital and won't actually rock the boat

i'm less clear on how captured some of the new ones like marjorie taylor greene and the rest of the qanon caucus are. they beat out the capital favored candidates in the primary and by virtue of being in deep red districts don't quite need the campaign cash that capital typically uses to keep members in line, not to mention that some of them seem genuinely unhinged and not just playing it for votes

i think they'll probably fall in line, given the incentives to do so, but it's not hard to see how they could form the nucleus of something really horrific in the near future

Xaris
Jul 25, 2006

Jacking Out; Jacking In



Azathoth posted:

i'm less clear on how captured some of the new ones like marjorie taylor greene and the rest of the qanon caucus are. they beat out the capital favored candidates in the primary and by virtue of being in deep red districts don't quite need the campaign cash that capital typically uses to keep members in line, not to mention that some of them seem genuinely unhinged and not just playing it for votes

i think they'll probably fall in line, given the incentives to do so, but it's not hard to see how they could form the nucleus of something really horrific in the near future

they're unhinged in the q-insane way though - literally. Q is the future of the GOP party and perfectly slots into being acceptable within the reins of capital holders. threatening to lock her UP, stop the adrenochrome harvesting clintons, stop the FRAUD election!, and so on. they aren't like "hmm we need to give... healthcare to CITIZENS. it's what jesus would have wanted" (this isn't even a thing in the gop-sphere and isn't going to change anytime soon)

Epic High Five
Jun 5, 2004





RaySmuckles posted:

the only reason i can think of is that the dems are successfully eating into the republicans' ideal base: well off white people

as much as republicans love the numbers from "others" they know true power lies in the hands of those with money and homogeneous identity

this ain't a one way thing either, GOP are stealing labor and definitely latinos and good chunks of other non-white people from the Dems. Realignment baby!

SMEGMA_MAIL
May 4, 2018


THUNDERDOME LOSER 2021





Whatever fascist that disaffected trump supporters glom on to is the true threat both to the liberal status quo and to anyone who is any sort of bogeyman to reactionaries by virtue of existing. I think at this point Trumpism is fading fast but it’s not like they’re just going to give up and become centrist libs or decorum conservatives.

Snail Information
May 29, 2010

Snailmancy


SpaceSDoorGunner posted:

Whatever fascist that disaffected trump supporters glom on to is the true threat both to the liberal status quo and to anyone who is any sort of bogeyman to reactionaries by virtue of existing. I think at this point Trumpism is fading fast but it’s not like they’re just going to give up and become centrist libs or decorum conservatives.

What signs make you think Trumpism is fading?

Azathoth
Apr 3, 2001

Blind.
Idiot.
God.



Xaris posted:

they're unhinged in the q-insane way though - literally. Q is the future of the GOP party and perfectly slots into being acceptable within the reins of capital holders. threatening to lock her UP, stop the adrenochrome harvesting clintons, stop the FRAUD election!, and so on. they aren't like "hmm we need to give... healthcare to CITIZENS. it's what jesus would have wanted" (this isn't even a thing in the gop-sphere and isn't going to change anytime soon)

i think you underestimate how much anger is directed at capital in the q movement, though obviously it's not the prime driver. it's usually coded antisemitism, but make no mistake, the anger is at what capital is doing, even if they're blaming jewish people for it. there's a reckoning waiting to happen there.

the real key is that, as StashAugustine pointed out, material conditions have not yet sunk to the point that real change is in the offing. they've got it under control, at least for now, because their voter base is still comfortable enough that they don't need another source for their anger. there's going to be an initial reckoning here over the next few months after its clear that trump isn't going to get a second term, but it's really going to hit the fan in the next decade as the reality of climate change sets in.

there's a point where things get bad enough that capital can't route the anger to the same convenient scapegoats anymore, and that's where poo poo gets dire and i genuinely don't know where that all goes, i just know it's not anywhere good

Antifa Turkeesian
Aug 20, 2006



Climate refugees will make excellent targets and vulnerable victims for state violence and right-wing terrorism. Climate change itself will be cast as a series of discrete, unknowable disasters, as mass shootings are presently understood.

staticman
Sep 11, 2008

Crybaby


The wild ride's only just begun

Cpt_Obvious
Jun 18, 2007

I don't Want to be this kind of animal anymore.



Antifa Turkeesian posted:

Climate refugees will make excellent targets and vulnerable victims for state violence and right-wing terrorism. Climate change itself will be cast as a series of discrete, unknowable disasters, as mass shootings are presently understood.

Yah, the right wing has always had a hard-on for refugees of all sorts. poo poo, the first concentration camps in Germany were for Polish war refugees if I'm not mistaken.

Hodgepodge
Jan 29, 2006


Heath posted:

Posting in this thread just so I can unbookmark it because of this post

dumbest post
in shittiest thread
on worst subforum
hosted by terrible website

okay now i'm in the mood for chud

e: okay here's a fun one: do i want to know what "exclus" are? e3: oh god it's "exclusives" isn't it.

e2: q is weird, it took awhile to break through about the wider reality of it to my mother because she associates it entirely with new-agey gnostic goddess worshipers thanks to facebook. i am aware that this is an enviable problem in this context.

Hodgepodge has issued a correction as of 06:41 on Jan 4, 2021

Syd Midnight
Sep 23, 2005



OP might mention the Dork Enlightenment, they laid down the playing field for a lot of this poo poo.

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012




Context:

https://twitter.com/broderick/status/657155787526131712

ram dass in hell
Dec 29, 2019




Fkin spooky how close they got it. Only missing a bigass circle for "people who agree with the actor from home alone 2 who said all mexicans are probably rapists" but they were a year early for that!

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012



I don’t believe that witches had power, but if I did this would be Exhibit ‘A’:





staticman
Sep 11, 2008

Crybaby


Dominionists already going " ahh thank you for providing the how-to guide for our victory!
https://twitter.com/ResistingMordor/status/1337896238239322112

MysteriousStranger
Mar 3, 2016

"if you're "shelter in place" and middle class or better it's a chance for real self improvement"




Azathoth posted:

the dynamic to watch in this is how capital reacts to this movement, since i think it is actually attractive to the rank and file but dead on arrival for capital

right now, they're fine with it since hawley is a huckster and they know that as much as he may occasionally say some populist poo poo, he's a capital controlled creature to his very core. they know that when the time comes, he'll vote for everything they want and that if they tell him to really knock it off with the corporation bashing that he'll slink back to his office appropriately chastised

there's definitely a bunch of true believers in the house though, and it's going to be interesting to watch over the next decade if any of them can make the jump to senator. it wouldn't shock me, since the base is becoming increasingly hard to control and there's been some notable primaries the last couple cycles where capital tried to buy a primary against some wingnut and the wingnut won because money isn't as big a factor in primaries and the base is loving insane. it's only a matter of time before a couple of them end up in the senate

I think at a certain point capital is going to realize that there are really three options in the pipeline. A universal safety net from the left paid for by the rich and corporations. A very generous safety net for some people (right wing christians) from the right paid for by the people who don't get a safety net which leaves the rich and corporations alone. Or the entire system comes crashing down and there is economic chaos.

Azathoth posted:

i think you underestimate how much anger is directed at capital in the q movement, though obviously it's not the prime driver. it's usually coded antisemitism, but make no mistake, the anger is at what capital is doing, even if they're blaming jewish people for it. there's a reckoning waiting to happen there.

the real key is that, as StashAugustine pointed out, material conditions have not yet sunk to the point that real change is in the offing. they've got it under control, at least for now, because their voter base is still comfortable enough that they don't need another source for their anger. there's going to be an initial reckoning here over the next few months after its clear that trump isn't going to get a second term, but it's really going to hit the fan in the next decade as the reality of climate change sets in.

there's a point where things get bad enough that capital can't route the anger to the same convenient scapegoats anymore, and that's where poo poo gets dire and i genuinely don't know where that all goes, i just know it's not anywhere good

It's not just Qanon though. It's the entire social/cultural/religious conservative right, of which Q is just the latest itterration of the crazy. The thing is, the anger is because of social issues. The right firmly believes that capital is against them and backing the gay agenda because of pride day and other items. That capital is outright anti Christian and one of the reasons their religion is in deep decline. That capital is all in on social justice/race theory/wokeism. That capital supports non european immigration and forces it on them. That capital is all in on women in the work place and thus against the traditional family.

They want what they were promised on culture. And to be fair to them, they were told that they would get it. They were promised all that and then got nothing, in fact capital turned around and started backing stuff like gay rights. Goldman Sachs at the height of the economic crisis was (still is!) one of the most diverse and progressive places to work along with the business partner of the Human Rights Campaign. The LGBTQ movement owes it's success to big business and capital.

Establishment Democrats and Republicans still don't want to admit what happened, because the deal is ugly. Capital promised the cultural right what it wanted in exchange for tax cuts and deregulation, and then backed the cultural left in the fight in exchange for them not doing anything about it. The reckoning is going to be over that.

Filthy Hans
Jun 27, 2008





are TERFs a minority in the feminist movement in general or in groups like the National Organization for Women

how prevalent and prominent are they

90s Cringe Rock
Nov 29, 2006



Filthy Hans posted:

are TERFs a minority in the feminist movement in general or in groups like the National Organization for Women

how prevalent and prominent are they
depends

has your country recently left the eu

Filthy Hans
Jun 27, 2008





90s Cringe Rock posted:

depends

has your country recently left the eu

I live in The Great Satan

TooMuchCornstarch
Dec 11, 2012
Too much is never enough.

Hodgepodge posted:

dumbest post
in shittiest thread
on worst subforum
hosted by terrible website

okay now i'm in the mood for chud

e: okay here's a fun one: do i want to know what "exclus" are? e3: oh god it's "exclusives" isn't it.

e2: q is weird, it took awhile to break through about the wider reality of it to my mother because she associates it entirely with new-agey gnostic goddess worshipers thanks to facebook. i am aware that this is an enviable problem in this context.


Exclus AKA “antis”. Bullies who hide behind moral crusades to attack their targets.

In practice they mostly drag lgbtq people. You know that old canard about queers all being pedos and zoophiles? It’s back, baby. Lots of overlap with the terf and swerf crowd. Connections to all the usual alt right suspect sites.

Neon Noodle
Nov 11, 2016

there's nothing wrong here in montana

Filthy Hans posted:

are TERFs a minority in the feminist movement in general or in groups like the National Organization for Women

how prevalent and prominent are they
They make stupid strategic alliances with the religious/reactionary right wing in order to pass things like “bathroom laws,” so usually they have more power and influence in right-leaning areas of the US.

Antifa Turkeesian
Aug 20, 2006



TooMuchCornstarch posted:

Exclus AKA “antis”. Bullies who hide behind moral crusades to attack their targets.

In practice they mostly drag lgbtq people. You know that old canard about queers all being pedos and zoophiles? It’s back, baby. Lots of overlap with the terf and swerf crowd. Connections to all the usual alt right suspect sites.

The people who used to post sjw cringe compilations in 2014?

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TooMuchCornstarch
Dec 11, 2012
Too much is never enough.

Antifa Turkeesian posted:

The people who used to post sjw cringe compilations in 2014?

And the people still obsessed with physically stalking the Sonichu guy in tyol 2021

The kind of people who used to run helldump or the old furry pogrom on these same boards

TooMuchCornstarch has issued a correction as of 13:18 on Jan 4, 2021

LordSaturn
Aug 12, 2007

sadly unfunny



Filthy Hans posted:

are TERFs a minority in the feminist movement in general or in groups like the National Organization for Women

how prevalent and prominent are they

I think they're more dominant in UK public feminism than in the US

DAD LOST MY IPOD
Feb 3, 2012

Fats Dominar is on the case




I think exclus are people in the lgbt spectrum who try to argue that specific other members of the lgbt spectrum (often asexuals) should be “excluded.” sort of like how terfs call it lgb only more esoteric.

also that Twitter dude is like hakan rotmwrt but for religion

Hodgepodge
Jan 29, 2006


so maybe just

Antifa Turkeesian posted:

The people who used to post sjw cringe compilations in 2014?

finally got a name, or maybe it (also?) means lgbt people who want their identity to be "the good ones"?

kitten emergency
Jan 13, 2008

get meow dis wack-ass
crystal prison











Hodgepodge posted:

finally got a name, or maybe it (also?) means lgbt people who want their identity to be "the good ones"?

i think they used to call that 'log cabin republicans'

Feldegast42
Oct 29, 2011



Given that someone just started this thread (https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3952915) I think that there could come another set of reactionaries from really broken leftists from the aftermath of the Bernie movement that would be interested in either a red / brown alliance or just complete nihilist accelerationism. Succ zone seems to be heading down this path.

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MysteriousStranger
Mar 3, 2016

"if you're "shelter in place" and middle class or better it's a chance for real self improvement"




kitten emergency posted:

i think they used to call that 'log cabin republicans'

Nope. LCRs were just rich Republicans in blue states who really didn't have to deal with the Jesus brigade locally but really hated paying taxes. They got run out of the GOP after the fight over gay marriage was lost and when state governors tried to pass religious liberty laws to allow businesses to end run anti discrimination laws and rich corporations threatened to boycott the states thus bankrupting and the states caved. This was also when the Religious Right decided that capitalism was woke and anti Christian and thus bad.

Hell the LCRs are now banned from CPAC!

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