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Davedave24
Mar 11, 2004

Lacking in love

Kaboom Dragoon posted:

Rengoku 2: Stairway to HEAVEN is one of the best/least-known games on the system. The original was a launch title and jank as gently caress but the sequel is a fast-paced action title with ridiculous levels of character customisation and one of my favourite OSTs around. If you've played Let It Die, it's similar to that: you make your way through each stage, fighting enemies until you reach a boss. Enemies can drop weapons which can typically be placed in slots in either your left or right hand or your head, leading to the awesome/ridiculous sight of your character shooting at enemies with the barrel of a revolver sticking out of their forehead. There's also weapons that can be specifically equipped to the torso and augments to your legs that can make you dodge faster or damage enemies when you run into them. It's arguably a game that takes a while to click, but when it does, it's amazing.

There was a third game announced for the PS3, End of the Century, but it was presumably cancelled around the point Hudsonsoft went under. Huge shame, the second game was a massive improvement over the second and it would've been great to see what they could've done on more powerful hardware.

I'm trying this out, its neat and I don't think I've ever heard of it before this, so thanks!

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Kaboom Dragoon
May 7, 2010

The greatest of feasts

Enjoy! For my money, it's one of the best action titles on the system, but I've encountered maybe half a dozen people online who've played it. I imagine the reputation the first game had soured people on the sequel, which is such a leap forward in terms of every aspect, it's unreal.

You Am I
May 20, 2001

Me @ your poasting

Picked up Mercury Meltdown and Lemmings for the PSP for bugger all yesterday.

mariooncrack
Dec 27, 2008
I just picked up a PSP. Is there a good guide for installing CFW? Most of the things I see are 5+ years old.

barnold
Dec 16, 2011


what do u do when yuo're born to play fps? guess there's nothing left to do but play fps. boom headshot
nothing new has been posted in 5 years because nothing has changed in 5 years. you literally just put the CFW on your memory stick and launch it like a game lol. the CFW runs in memory so you'll have to run the CFW launcher again on a cold boot but that's it

ExcessBLarg!
Sep 1, 2001

mariooncrack posted:

I just picked up a PSP. Is there a good guide for installing CFW? Most of the things I see are 5+ years old.
There used to be a good guide here but that disappeared sometime in the past year. Basically you want to install 6.61 PRO-C2.

Once CFW is installed you still have to boot into it every power cycle by running FastRecovery. Which itself is pretty painless, it's literally boot, select "FastRecovery", and your CFW is working again.

Now, if you have a PSP-100x model you can run the CIPL Flasher included with PRO-C2, which will automatically start the CFW on boot so you don't have to run (or need to have installed) FastRecovery anymore. If you have a PSP-200x/300x/Go/E100x model though you can't (and shouldn't) run CIPL. There is a thing called Infinity that will automatically start CFW on boot on those models, but I'd probably avoid that for now. The old version of Infinity is a hassle to install. There was a new version (Infinity 2.0) that came out in late 2019 that looks substantially easier to install, but the guy who wrote it and swore off PSP hacking is, well, still PSP hacking and as of last month appears pretty close to fully cracking later models. So in the near future we might have a CIPL for all models, not just the 100x model. If this paragraph doesn't make sense then completely ignore it.

Kazvall
Mar 20, 2009

They have permanent cfw now. It's called infinity. You install the cfw then run it.

https://revive.today/psp/infinity/

https://infinity.lolhax.org/

Endymion FRS MK1
Oct 29, 2011

I don't know what this thing is, and I don't care. I'm just tired of seeing your stupid newbie av from 2011.
If I want a PSP for portable emulation (up to PS1) and to play some original PSP games I missed out on, should I go for the original or a Vita?

Defenistrator
Mar 27, 2007
Ask me about my burritos
I use PSP for original psx games. There's a lot of titles from the PS1 that had PSP versions since the PSP had native emulation. These versions includes the game manual (critical for games from that gen) accessible while playing the game.

I'd say stick with PSP

Endymion FRS MK1
Oct 29, 2011

I don't know what this thing is, and I don't care. I'm just tired of seeing your stupid newbie av from 2011.

Defenistrator posted:

I use PSP for original psx games. There's a lot of titles from the PS1 that had PSP versions since the PSP had native emulation. These versions includes the game manual (critical for games from that gen) accessible while playing the game.

I'd say stick with PSP

Am I missing out on anything with the Vita? Any good Vita exclusives? For reference I have a Switch, PC, and the PS3 generation consoles

Gaius Marius
Oct 9, 2012

Endymion FRS MK1 posted:

Am I missing out on anything with the Vita? Any good Vita exclusives? For reference I have a Switch, PC, and the PS3 generation consoles

Well P4 golden was the real system seller, There's hombrew port of San Andreas out, the whole system is a real beast with homebrew scene. Both the Portable 3d Gta's are better with the second stick, actually quite a few PSP games are. Touch My Katamari is pretty fun for a portable game.

Commander Keene
Dec 21, 2016

Faster than the others



Yeah, but you can just get P4G on Steam these days, so unless you're really needing that Vita portability you should probably just buy it there, it's cheaper. Also I think the Steam port has more granular difficulty options that were only available in NG+ on Vita.

Pablo Nergigante
Apr 16, 2002

Honestly Switch + PS3 + PC covers almost all the good Vita games

Gaius Marius
Oct 9, 2012

Even so The vita was the last great portable console and I want to support it's life

Endymion FRS MK1
Oct 29, 2011

I don't know what this thing is, and I don't care. I'm just tired of seeing your stupid newbie av from 2011.
Alright, which PSP should I go for? I see 1000, 2000, 3000? Thanks for the help everyone, the PSP family is somehow the one console/handheld I know literally nothing about

Gaius Marius
Oct 9, 2012

1000 is heavier and imo feels much better in the hands, it's also got a better release for the UMD drive, which is almost certainly irrelevent. 2000 and 3000 are pretty much the same, lighter and with better battery life. There's a Eurp only model of the PSP called the 3000E I think, which is trash. As is the PSP GO

Probably just grab a 2000, It used to be harder to CFW it, but that's thing of the past

Edit: drat I forgot about the screen issues

Gaius Marius fucked around with this message at 04:05 on Mar 10, 2021

flavor.flv
Apr 18, 2008

I got a letter from the government the other day
opened it, read it
it said they was bitches




PSP Go is the greatest handheld system ever designed. If you can get one for less than a hundred bucks, jump on it

Pretty good
Apr 16, 2007



Go for a 2000 over a 3000; the 3000's screen is pretty jank

https://www.cnet.com/news/sony-responds-to-psp-3000-screen-issues/

Pablo Nergigante
Apr 16, 2002

The 2000/3000 also have more RAM than the original model. 2000 is probably the best model to go with honestly

Endymion FRS MK1
Oct 29, 2011

I don't know what this thing is, and I don't care. I'm just tired of seeing your stupid newbie av from 2011.
2000 might be what I go for then. Does region matter? Especially if I'm just going to use cfw anyways?

Pablo Nergigante
Apr 16, 2002

PSP games are all region free anyway and I think you can even set the system menus to English on a Japanese PSP so have at it!

ExcessBLarg!
Sep 1, 2001
Here's some random PSP purchasing thoughts related to this:

If you're looking to collect physical PSP games you want to make sure to get a model with the UMD drive--the PSP-100x, -200x, -300x, but not the Go or a Vita. There's also the rare Street (-E100x) model that you probably won't come across but should avoid anyways.

Why collect physical games? A good number of early PSP titles were only released on UMD as licensing issues prevented their digital distribution. Crisis Core is probably the best known of those. Beyond that, PSP games have historically been fairly cheap so it's an easier system to collect for if you're into that. Now, if you are going to collect physical games please don't actually run them from UMDs--install CFW and dump the UMD to your PC and copy the .iso to a SD card and run it from that. That will have faster load times, better battery life, and preserve your UMD drive to dump other titles.

If you don't care about physical games, most PSP titles are available from the PlayStation Store on all models including Vitas. However, PSPs aren't compatible with modern WiFi security so actually getting them on the Internet is challenging. Sony has also been shutting down various methods of actually purchasing titles too. If you have a PS3, I think you can still purchase PSP titles on it and download them to your PSP that way, but if not, YMMV. Of course, .iso dumps of games are readily available in the usual places. Also, if you have purchased store titles and own more than one PSP, take a look at npdrm_free which is a CFW plugin that bypasses the DRM on store titles so you take/copy the SD card from one unit to another.

Regarding the models, the -100x does only have 32 MB of RAM while the -200x and -300x have 64 MB RAM. However, as far as I know that has absolutely no bearing on compatibility/performance of licensed titles. I'm not actually sure what the extra RAM is even used for--maybe to cache UMD loads which is irrelevant if you're using a SD card anyways.

The screen on PSPs are quite good compared to their contemporaries (DS, GBA even) but they're definitely mid 00s technology and look dated now. The -100x and -200x screens have ghosting, while the -300x screen trades the ghosting for a wider color gamut but has interlacing artifacts. Personally I prefer the -300x screen, however of the four used PSP-3000s I bought in 2019 two of them came with screens that had significantly yellowed displays. I think there was an issue with the glue/binder on them--possibly limited to early Japanese models--both of mine were silver. I don't know how extensive this problem is. In the end I replaced those two screens and the other two PSP-3000s I intentionally bought with damaged screens and replaced those too since it made them overall cheaper to purchase. I'm pretty sure the replacement screens are new-old-stock and so far they haven't yellowed.

If you don't want to futz with screen issues I'd get a PSP-100x or -200x.

Games are region free. The main difference between PSP regional models is the default language for the UI and I think the default timezone, both of which can be changed during initial setup. The -x000 models (Japanese) also use O for accept and X for cancel in the UI, which is the opposite of international models, but there's a CFW option to switch that around to your preference.

FWIW, I bought four PSP-3000s off eBay from Japanese sellers in 2019 for $20-40 depending on condition and color and aside from the aforementioned screen issues have had no other problems with them.

ExcessBLarg! fucked around with this message at 15:11 on Mar 10, 2021

Endymion FRS MK1
Oct 29, 2011

I don't know what this thing is, and I don't care. I'm just tired of seeing your stupid newbie av from 2011.

ExcessBLarg! posted:

Here's some random PSP purchasing thoughts related to this:

If you're looking to collect physical PSP games you want to make sure to get a model with the UMD drive--the PSP-100x, -200x, -300x, but not the Go or a Vita. There's also the rare Street (-E100x) model that you probably won't come across but should avoid anyways.

Why collect physical games? A good number of early PSP titles were only released on UMD as licensing issues prevented their digital distribution. Crisis Core is probably the best known of those. Beyond that, PSP games have historically been fairly cheap so it's an easier system to collect for if you're into that. Now, if you are going to collect physical games please don't actually run them from UMDs--install CFW and dump the UMD to your PC and copy the .iso to a SD card and run it from that. That will have faster load times, better battery life, and preserve your UMD drive to dump other titles.

If you don't care about physical games, most PSP titles are available from the PlayStation Store on all models including Vitas. However, PSPs aren't compatible with modern WiFi security so actually getting them on the Internet is challenging. Sony has also been shutting down various methods of actually purchasing titles too. If you have a PS3, I think you can still purchase PSP titles on it and download them to your PSP that way, but if not, YMMV. Of course, .iso dumps of games are readily available in the usual places. Also, if you have purchased store titles and own more than one PSP, take a look at npdrm_free which is a CFW plugin that bypasses the DRM on store titles so you take/copy the SD card from one unit to another.

Regarding the models, the -100x does only have 32 MB of RAM while the -200x and -300x have 64 MB RAM. However, as far as I know that has absolutely no bearing on compatibility/performance of licensed titles. I'm not actually sure what the extra RAM is even used for--maybe to cache UMD loads which is irrelevant if you're using a SD card anyways.

The screen on PSPs are quite good compared to their contemporaries (DS, GBA even) but they're definitely mid 00s technology and look dated now. The -100x and -200x screens have ghosting, while the -300x screen trades the ghosting for a wider color gamut but has interlacing artifacts. Personally I prefer the -300x screen, however of the four used PSP-3000s I bought in 2019 two of them came with screens that had significantly yellowed displays. I think there was an issue with the glue/binder on them--possibly limited to early Japanese models--both of mine were silver. I don't know how extensive this problem is. In the end I replaced those two screens and the other two PSP-3000s I intentionally bought with damaged screens and replaced those too since it made them overall cheaper to purchase. I'm pretty sure the replacement screens are new-old-stock and so far they haven't yellowed.

If you don't want to futz with screen issues I'd get a PSP-100x or -200x.

Games are region free. The main difference between PSP regional models is the default language for the UI and I think the default timezone, both of which can be changed during initial setup. The -x000 models (Japanese) also use O for accept and X for cancel in the UI, which is the opposite of international models, but there's a CFW option to switch that around to your preference.

FWIW, I bought four PSP-3000s off eBay from Japanese sellers in 2019 for $20-40 depending on condition and color and aside from the aforementioned screen issues have had no other problems with them.

That's helpful! My issue now is pricing. The lowest I can find a 2000 with battery and charger on eBay is $70. I missed out on a goon selling one (can't remember the model) for $45 apparently. I might call around to some used stores in my area, I normally browse there but haven't in the past year for obvious reasons

ExcessBLarg!
Sep 1, 2001
Skip the battery and charger. OEM batteries have near-universally gone puffy by now which makes them a safety hazard and basically don't work. As for the charger the PSP takes 5V @ 1A as I recall, which practically any USB charger does these days, so you can just get a USB-A to barrel connector cable. That means you just need to find a PSP-200x.

When I bought a pile of PSP-3000s a couple of years ago these were the accessories I got for them:

Battery: It's OK for third-party. Doesn't have the longest charge, but it's not puffy.
USB to barrel adapters.
USB Mini-B cable: Needed to dump UMDs and to use the memory stick/microSD card without having to remove it.
MicroSD to Memoy Stick adapter.

Endymion FRS MK1
Oct 29, 2011

I don't know what this thing is, and I don't care. I'm just tired of seeing your stupid newbie av from 2011.

ExcessBLarg! posted:

Skip the battery and charger. OEM batteries have near-universally gone puffy by now which makes them a safety hazard and basically don't work. As for the charger the PSP takes 5V @ 1A as I recall, which practically any USB charger does these days, so you can just get a USB-A to barrel connector cable. That means you just need to find a PSP-200x.

When I bought a pile of PSP-3000s a couple of years ago these were the accessories I got for them:

Battery: It's OK for third-party. Doesn't have the longest charge, but it's not puffy.
USB to barrel adapters.
USB Mini-B cable: Needed to dump UMDs and to use the memory stick/microSD card without having to remove it.
MicroSD to Memoy Stick adapter.

Oh cool, thanks!

Empress Brosephine
Mar 31, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Added two prior posts to op. If anyone wants to make a reccomendsd game list I can add that also

flavor.flv
Apr 18, 2008

I got a letter from the government the other day
opened it, read it
it said they was bitches




If the psp is so much better than the gba why did Shrek 1 and 2 on UMD have to be sold separately?



Checkmate

Kazvall
Mar 20, 2009

Here is my take. The psp1000 form factor is nice, but it has worse battery life and is prone to dead pixels. The 2000 is just fine, but their screens are prone to getting mildew/mold between the screen and protector and I've seen them have screen rot. I like the 3000 screen a lot. 4 brightness settings. As said before others have noticed yellowing on the 3000 screens, but I've yet to see that on any carnival color models made in japan only.

E: these are some good batteries, get the 1800mah if you want more hours

https://store.batteryspecialists.com/gamcssp112sl.html

Kazvall fucked around with this message at 02:15 on Mar 11, 2021

Defenistrator
Mar 27, 2007
Ask me about my burritos
Known a PSP 2000 and PSP 3000.

I use the PSP 3000 daily because I know it's gonna break faster.

barnold
Dec 16, 2011


what do u do when yuo're born to play fps? guess there's nothing left to do but play fps. boom headshot
also you have to watch out for the back panels on the 3000 completely flaking off. if i had a dollar for every fleck of plastic that's fallen off around my house that i had to vacuum, i could buy many PSPs

Homora Gaykemi
Apr 30, 2020

by Fluffdaddy
decided to pop Burnout Legends in and play some and man it is still so good. i didn't really like the new systems like traffic checking in Revenge or the open world of Paradise compared to Burnout 3 so basically having a portable "best of" built on it is probably my favourite in the series (apart from 3 itself maybe i guess)

i don't really play a lot of racing games outside of, like, Mario Kart but Burnout Legends and Ridge Racer 2 on PSP are both top tier

Josh Christ
Dec 24, 2020

by Fluffdaddy
About a month ago I went to a local retro shop to try to find donor game boys to mod with backlights, and ended up walking out with a PSP Go instead. It's genuinely the coolest handheld ever made, the sliding screen is the best. The lack of expandable storage and proprietary cable suck farts but damned if it's not a cool little thing.

I'm on the hunt for a 200x model now, to complete my collection.

Josh Christ fucked around with this message at 09:17 on Apr 7, 2021

Empress Brosephine
Mar 31, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
I like them go but I dislike the controls on it

Josh Christ
Dec 24, 2020

by Fluffdaddy
Oh yeah the controls are terrible, I moved my P3P save over and played on that for a while and it was a nightmare. The nub is just a little too far over to be comfortable to use.

Kazvall
Mar 20, 2009

Pair that bitch with a ds3 controller.

Gaius Marius
Oct 9, 2012

It's not even portable if you have to bring a controller

Empress Brosephine
Mar 31, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
If I had a dick or a way to do video out id do that

general chaos
May 20, 2001
How are those unofficial PSP-Go component cables? I definitely can't justify what people are trying to sell the official dock for.

Empress Brosephine posted:

If I had a dick or a way to do video out id do that

lol

Empress Brosephine
Mar 31, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Whoops meant dock self own

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ChaosArgate
Oct 10, 2012

Why does everyone think I'm going to get in trouble?

general chaos posted:

How are those unofficial PSP-Go component cables? I definitely can't justify what people are trying to sell the official dock for.


lol

The video is kinda noisy and there's definite audio buzzing outta the cables I got for cheap off Amazon. They'll do in a pinch but ehhhhhhhh.

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