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Jet Jaguar
Feb 12, 2006

Don't touch my bags if you please, Mr Customs Man.



I am finally caught up to all of this. I've never played any of the Halo games but I'm loving the heck out this series.

I played a lot of Marathon and Myth—one of my first real jobs we'd play Myth after work while traffic was a mess, then spend as much time watching our replays as we did actually playing the game.

There was mention of terminals at one point? I assume none of them have Leela or Durandal in them, but one can hope...

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BlazetheInferno
Jun 6, 2015

Jet Jaguar posted:

I am finally caught up to all of this. I've never played any of the Halo games but I'm loving the heck out this series.

I played a lot of Marathon and Myth—one of my first real jobs we'd play Myth after work while traffic was a mess, then spend as much time watching our replays as we did actually playing the game.

There was mention of terminals at one point? I assume none of them have Leela or Durandal in them, but one can hope...

The Master Chief Collection added Terminals spread hidden around the games that would play extra little lore snippets and videos if you found and interacted with them.

Ablative
Nov 9, 2012

Someone is getting this as an avatar. I don't know who, but it's gonna happen.

BlazetheInferno posted:

The Master Chief Collection added Terminals spread hidden around the games that would play extra little lore snippets and videos if you found and interacted with them.

Only to 1 and 2, mind. 3 had its Terminals in the original release, and they're a lot more traditional Marathon in that they're text-based. Still entirely optional and mostly concerning things that have been kinda retconned since the handover.

FrenzyTheKillbot
Jan 31, 2008

Good Hustle


07 - Kikowani Station


Everything has gone to hell. Time to get out of the city.

AradoBalanga
Jan 3, 2013

There's another reason why Buck and co. don't opt to all fly Banshees out: it's not just that Romeo's injured and lost a lot of blood, flying a Banshee requires you to lie flat on your stomach. And I have a feeling that it would be extremely painful to lie in that position for a long period of time with a punctured lung (meaning Romeo also most likely has several cracked ribs, another deterrent to lying down in that position). At least on a Phantom, Romeo has a place to lie down (or sit down) where he doesn't have to put himself in danger of further injury.

E: Okay, I guess I was wrong about the Brute Hammer being off limits to ODST like the Wraith is. Good to know.

AradoBalanga fucked around with this message at 21:13 on Apr 22, 2022

Ablative
Nov 9, 2012

Someone is getting this as an avatar. I don't know who, but it's gonna happen.
The polyethyltriphosphate is the foaming agent in the biofoam, there are other medical compounds to do the actual work. Mostly it's a coagulant and antimicrobial, and it hardens to keep organs in place. The point isn't to fix the damage, it's to stop you making it any worse until you can get to a hospital.


Incidentally, the other medpacks in the game aren't biofoam, they're some kind of topical gel. They probably couldn't use it on Romeo because his wounds were internal.

Sylphosaurus
Sep 6, 2007

Cradok posted:

Yeah, the whole situation is much more complicated that just 'Halsey Evil'. The UEG were very much in the wrong, but the Insurrectionists weren't exactly angels. Halsey didn't do what she did out of curiosity or malice, but because she thought it was right. Despite what she did to them, she still considered the Spartans to basically be 'her' children. And while it doesn't absolve her of personal responsibility, it wasn't like she did everything on her own, ONI and the UNSC were both involved in the project. If you think what was done to the Spartan-IIs was bad, wait until you hear about the S-IIIs.

Writing wise, Eric Nylund definitely wrote her in too favourable a light, but people who followed after went way too far in the opposite direction. Glasslands basically had people do a total flip on their attitudes while in the middle of the story.
Oh yeah, the UNSC and ONI deserves their own private cubbyhole in Hell for all the horrendous poo poo that they are responsible but there's no way that I'll change my view on Halsey as their personal genius level monster.

Leal
Oct 2, 2009
You know, I don't think the Rookie experienced the same flashbacks the player has, at least not the one where the squad hijacks a phantom. For all the rookie knows a bunch of covenant are heading towards Dare's beacon.



Time for a wacky comedy of errors

FrenzyTheKillbot
Jan 31, 2008

Good Hustle

AradoBalanga posted:

E: Okay, I guess I was wrong about the Brute Hammer being off limits to ODST like the Wraith is. Good to know.

You made that post while I was working on getting this level recorded, and honestly I was as surprised as you were. I did not remember it being a useable weapon in ODST. Although I guess there's only a couple opportunities to grab one.

Leal posted:

You know, I don't think the Rookie experienced the same flashbacks the player has, at least not the one where the squad hijacks a phantom. For all the rookie knows a bunch of covenant are heading towards Dare's beacon.



Time for a wacky comedy of errors

The squad hijacked the Phantom over an hour before the Rookie found the biofoam, so that Phantom we see at the end wasn't them. I think it's safe to say that there are a bunch of Covenant bearing down on Dare.

Ablative
Nov 9, 2012

Someone is getting this as an avatar. I don't know who, but it's gonna happen.

FrenzyTheKillbot posted:

You made that post while I was working on getting this level recorded, and honestly I was as surprised as you were. I did not remember it being a useable weapon in ODST. Although I guess there's only a couple opportunities to grab one.

That might actually be the only one in the campaign, I think all the other Chieftains are either fuel rod guys or cutscenes.

Kibayasu
Mar 28, 2010

I've got it, these are flashbacks inside the Rookie's head and he just looks up to the rest of the squad so much that he imagines Buck could totally use a brute hammer.

Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

If only all of life's problems could be solved by smoking a professor of ancient evil texts.



Bread Liar
I really like the idea behind this game - play as the rookie, but also as every other member of the squad in a series of setpieces interspersed between running around the city.

But it feels, I dunno, so confined compared to all the other games. Sure, this time it isn't Master Chief, it's Just Some Guy and the fate of the galaxy isn't at stake, it's just trying to survive in a single city. And I like that Bungie was brave enough to change up the formula.

But all the little difference make it feel like a knockoff. Like using a Nantemdo 64 to play Super Blario. Only Super Blario was still actually made by Nintendo.

biosterous
Feb 23, 2013




Ablative posted:

That might actually be the only one in the campaign, I think all the other Chieftains are either fuel rod guys or cutscenes.

there's more hammers coming up :ssh:

FoolyCharged
Oct 11, 2012

Cheating at a raffle? I sentence you to 1 year in jail! No! Two years! Three! Four! Five years! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah!
Somebody call for an ant?

Ban hammers?!?

FrenzyTheKillbot
Jan 31, 2008

Good Hustle


08 - Data Hive


The mission is still on. Searching for secrets hidden beneath the city.

biosterous posted:

there's more hammers coming up :ssh:

There are a few more hammers in the game, but I won't be using them.

Cradok
Sep 28, 2013
It's the only flamethrower, and it's also the only time you get to use one against anything other than Flood. You can carry it through the cutscenes too, although it can be a bit dangerous if you keep it too long. Dare seems to be immune to it, but Vergil... very much isn't.

Ablative
Nov 9, 2012

Someone is getting this as an avatar. I don't know who, but it's gonna happen.

Cradok posted:

It's the only flamethrower, and it's also the only time you get to use one against anything other than Flood. You can carry it through the cutscenes too, although it can be a bit dangerous if you keep it too long. Dare seems to be immune to it, but Vergil... very much isn't.

This is true of all weapons, of course. Escort missions can't just have the escort target be invincible, but every other important NPC? yeah, sure, stand next to that nuke, you'll walk it off.

Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

If only all of life's problems could be solved by smoking a professor of ancient evil texts.



Bread Liar
Putting my vote in as definitely Kermit voice.

Alzion
Dec 31, 2006
Technically a '06
Halo Novel Trivia: A programmer who worked on The Superintendent put in a routine that would look after his daughter and ensure her safety, thus creating Virgil.

Ablative
Nov 9, 2012

Someone is getting this as an avatar. I don't know who, but it's gonna happen.

Alzion posted:

Halo Novel Trivia: A programmer who worked on The Superintendent put in a routine that would look after his daughter and ensure her safety, thus creating Virgil.

That's not novel trivia, that's Sadie's Story trivia.

Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

If only all of life's problems could be solved by smoking a professor of ancient evil texts.



Bread Liar
Finally took the LPs advice and watched Severance.

Just finished the first episode and, yeah, this is totally my vibe.

FrenzyTheKillbot
Jan 31, 2008

Good Hustle

Ablative posted:

This is true of all weapons, of course. Escort missions can't just have the escort target be invincible, but every other important NPC? yeah, sure, stand next to that nuke, you'll walk it off.

I've actually never even considered the end of this level to be an escort mission, but yeah it totally is.

Ablative posted:

That's not novel trivia, that's Sadie's Story trivia.

Which we will see next week.

Also, god drat:

https://twitter.com/Halo/status/1523286896058638337

Kibayasu
Mar 28, 2010

Kind of a large but previously unknown piece of the lore to just throw as your twist at this late in the series (at the time) with no introduction at all but still neat. Among other things, though some characters acted like this might be normal during the flashbacks so I'm not sure, it also explains why the AI was always talking in pre-recorded voice lines

Alzion
Dec 31, 2006
Technically a '06

Ablative posted:

That's not novel trivia, that's Sadie's Story trivia.

I only got to borrow ODST from a friend briefly back in the day so I never did Sadie's Story. I got that info from the novel Halo: Bad Blood.

FrenzyTheKillbot
Jan 31, 2008

Good Hustle


XX - Sadie's Story (Audio Logs)


The hidden story behind the story.

TwoPair
Mar 28, 2010

Pandamn It Feels Good To Be A Gangsta
Grimey Drawer
Man, ACAB to the extreme

Kibayasu
Mar 28, 2010

More like a radio play than your typical audio log. Got a touch bizarre in places like with the salesman.

AriadneThread
Feb 17, 2011

The Devil sounds like smoke and honey. We cannot move. It is too beautiful.


Kibayasu posted:

More like a radio play than your typical audio log. Got a touch bizarre in places like with the salesman.

it feels very I Love Bees inspired to me
right down to re-using the term 'chatter' for cellphones
which i dig honestly, i don't think i ever got to listen to the full thing in one sitting before. If audiologs in games were more like this, I wouldn't complain

Scaramouche
Mar 26, 2001

SPACE FACE! SPACE FACE!

I just couldn't do it for nearly an hour without Cletus and Swordfish. Hopefully nothing too important happened

Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

If only all of life's problems could be solved by smoking a professor of ancient evil texts.



Bread Liar

TwoPair posted:

Man, ACAB to the extreme

Even evil murdering rapist monsters can be patriots :patriot:

FoolyCharged
Oct 11, 2012

Cheating at a raffle? I sentence you to 1 year in jail! No! Two years! Three! Four! Five years! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah!
Somebody call for an ant?

Megillah Gorilla posted:

Even evil murdering rapist monsters can be patriots :patriot:

Oh yuck. I was really confused when he was still trying the kidnapping after he killed her dad, and that would actually make sense.

Outpost22
Oct 11, 2012

RIP Screamy You were too good for this world.
Maybe the Covenant did nothing wrong?

Ablative
Nov 9, 2012

Someone is getting this as an avatar. I don't know who, but it's gonna happen.

Outpost22 posted:

Maybe the Covenant did nothing wrong?

I mean, if you ignore the part where the Covenant is a theocratic dictatorship that started a genocidal war because its current leaders found out they weren't actually gods-to-be and decided to kill the newly contacted to keep this a secret and themselves in power, sure.

TwoPair
Mar 28, 2010

Pandamn It Feels Good To Be A Gangsta
Grimey Drawer

Ablative posted:

I mean, if you ignore the part where the Covenant is a theocratic dictatorship that started a genocidal war because its current leaders found out they weren't actually gods-to-be and decided to kill the newly contacted to keep this a secret and themselves in power, sure.

Yeah, you do not in fact, gotta give it to them

FrenzyTheKillbot
Jan 31, 2008

Good Hustle

Kibayasu posted:

More like a radio play than your typical audio log. Got a touch bizarre in places like with the salesman.

I probably should have mentioned it in the video, but I felt weird talking about literary references I don't actually understand. The audio logs (and the game) is doing a whole Dante's Inferno thing, hence finding Vergil on sub-level nine. Each of the people Sadie meets in the story is meant to be a reference to one of the nine layers of hell, which is why they seem like kinda weird caricatures. This is taken from Halo Alpha:



Scaramouche posted:

I just couldn't do it for nearly an hour without Cletus and Swordfish. Hopefully nothing too important happened

There's some good background stuff hidden in the 50 minutes of radio drama. The major points are that Vergil (the computer program) was written into the Superintendent AI by a guy to basically be a city-wide omnipresent babysitter for his daughter, Sadie. A real engineer-brain move. During the invasion, the Superintendent was shut down by the police because Vergil (the computer program) was getting in the way of the police chief trying to kidnap and rape Sadie. Yes, that's really what's happening. Meanwhile some of the Covenant Engineers got fed up with the war against humans, especially now that the Brutes were booby trapping them to be used as weapons. A group of them got together and pulled the armor and explosives off of one and then tanked the explosions so the one could go free. That one became Vergil (the Engineer). It made it's way into the server tunnels to try and communicate with the humans, drawing the attention of Captain Dare. While down there it holed up in the secure server room and worked on fixing the sabotaged Superintendent AI. Vergil (the Engineer) ended up kinda merging with and taking over for Vergil (the computer program) and began helping Sadie and later the ODSTs when it realized their mission was to come rescue it.

FoolyCharged
Oct 11, 2012

Cheating at a raffle? I sentence you to 1 year in jail! No! Two years! Three! Four! Five years! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah!
Somebody call for an ant?

Ablative posted:

I mean, if you ignore the part where the Covenant is a theocratic dictatorship that started a genocidal war because its current leaders found out they weren't actually gods-to-be and decided to kill the newly contacted to keep this a secret and themselves in power, sure.

Okay, but if you ignore the war, and the genocide, and releasing the flood, and attempting to fire the doomsday weapons: What have the covenant ever done to us?

biosterous
Feb 23, 2013




FoolyCharged posted:

Okay, but if you ignore the war, and the genocide, and releasing the flood, and attempting to fire the doomsday weapons: What have the covenant ever done to us?

they keep calling my good friend mr chief a demon, which is pretty rude imo

Outpost22
Oct 11, 2012

RIP Screamy You were too good for this world.
But isn't he a demon in the sack ?

Ablative
Nov 9, 2012

Someone is getting this as an avatar. I don't know who, but it's gonna happen.

FoolyCharged posted:

Okay, but if you ignore the war, and the genocide, and releasing the flood, and attempting to fire the doomsday weapons: What have the covenant ever done to us?

Hey, credit where it's due, when they released the Flood, they did their damnedest to lock it back down.

And then a certain 01928-19912-JK came along...

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FrenzyTheKillbot
Jan 31, 2008

Good Hustle


09 - Coastal Highway


The city is lost, but Vergil has been found. The only thing left to do is make a dramatic exit.

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