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Cyrano4747
Sep 25, 2006

Yes, I know I'm old, get off my fucking lawn so I can yell at these clouds.

Gambling is fun and entertaining but it can also addictive. Once it becomes a compulsion it can ruin lives, just as bad as drugs or alcohol can.

If you are gambling more than you want to, there are resources and professionals who can help. You can also PM the mods or admins to talk about it, and if need be the admins can help by removing your access to this one, specific forum (and no others).

Here is a link to an FAQ on problem gambling put together by professionals.

symptoms of gambling addiction posted:

The symptoms include increasing preoccupation with gambling, a need to bet more money more frequently, restlessness or irritability when attempting to stop, “chasing” losses, and loss of control manifested by continuation of the gambling behavior in spite of mounting, serious, negative consequences.

Something that I want to emphasize here is that no one is immune to all of this:

quote:

Anyone who gambles can develop problems. This is why it is important to be aware of the risks and to gamble in a responsible way, if you choose to gamble. When gambling behavior interferes with finances, relationships and the workplace, a serious problem already exists.

It's worthwhile to occasionally take stock of your situation and see if it's stopped being about having fun and adding a little bit of an extra thrill to watching the playoffs or whatever.

If you do think you have a problem, here are some hotlines you can call to talk to people who can help:

United States
Canada
United Kingdom
Australia

Tsietisin posted:

This is for the UK people, but a government initiative to help problem gambling less to the creation of GamStop https://www.gamstop.co.uk/

If you register your details on this site and choose to self exclude, you will be locked out of all online gambling for the term specified. There is no way around it. This includes bookies, poker sites, bingo, even the national lottery online instant win scratch cards.

It a requirement for any casino that operates in the UK must be signed up to the scheme, so you will not be able to find an online casino that will get around it.

Scotsman posted:

Just want to mention another excellent resource which is https://betblocker.org/





This resource will be updated as needed. If you think you have something to add to it PM a mod and we'll work together on making it as good as it can be.

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Cyrano4747
Sep 25, 2006

Yes, I know I'm old, get off my fucking lawn so I can yell at these clouds.

I am leaving this thread open so that people may discuss gambling addiction and generally use it as a resource. This is not a place to debate whether gambling should be legal, whether gambling is immoral, etc., nor is it a chat thread. This is a thread to discuss gambling addiction and how to get help.

Tsietisin
Jul 2, 2004

Time passes quickly on the weekend.

This is for the UK people, but a government initiative to help problem gambling less to the creation of GamStop https://www.gamstop.co.uk/

If you register your details on this site and choose to self exclude, you will be locked out of all online gambling for the term specified. There is no way around it. This includes bookies, poker sites, bingo, even the national lottery online instant win scratch cards.

It a requirement for any casino that operates in the UK must be signed up to the scheme, so you will not be able to find an online casino that will get around it.

It totally works. I noticed that I was starting to get a problem a few years back and so registered on the site. I cannot gamble online anymore.

Also. If you are someone that is a compulsive gambler and wants to talk, PM me any time and I'll be happy to talk with you in confidence.

Scotsman
Jun 9, 2002

Just want to mention another excellent resource which is https://betblocker.org/

And I am always open to PMs if anyone wishes to just chat casually about gambling addiction etc. I've been involved with the industry for 25 years now and I am well aware of all the issues involving it etc. Always happy to chat to people about it. Gambling addiction is no joke. It takes a lot just to be aware of it and then to do something about it. If you're even a little bit concerned don't be afraid to reach out.

Scotsman fucked around with this message at 02:34 on Jan 11, 2021

mfcrocker
Jan 31, 2004



Hot Rope Guy
Slightly more esoteric advice (and I firmly believe people should be looking at the professional resources already linked first) but I've had a good amount of luck getting on top of slot machine addiction by watching slots streamers on Twitch.

For me, the attraction of slots is working out how their various systems work and I get to have that experience without flushing money down the toilet.

Tsietisin
Jul 2, 2004

Time passes quickly on the weekend.

I'm of a similar nature, but I also include Youtube in that area as well. There are an interesting bunch of Casino and Online players that are on youtube. Even more so from the UK crowd. Its almost something that I would consider making a thread about.

Dalael
Oct 14, 2014
Hello. Yep, I still think Atlantis is Bolivia, yep, I'm still a giant idiot, yep, I'm still a huge racist. Some things never change!
Good day all,

I don't gamble.. Never really have. But I did work in a Casino for a few years and have seen a lot of poo poo in the background that most people don't know at all. If you want to gamble, go ahead but don't do it in slot machines. They really are designed to make the Casino money, not to give you money.

During the time I worked in a Casino I have seen untold amount of people lose their entire paycheck, I've seen people run out of the Casino crying. I wasn't on shift that day, but we had to deal with suicide in the parking lot (the person offed himself in his car). I've seen people with blank stares, you just know they are off somewhere. Please be careful and be mindful. Addiction is no joke, and gambling addiction can ruin your lives faster than most drugs will.

I will always remember one of the times I wished luck to a client who was playing at a slot machine with a 16k jackpot, and he said if he won it would help cover part of his losses of the week.

I could tell you guys lots of stories, but i'll leave it at what I already said: Beware of the addiction. Stay away from slots and please ask for help if you feel yourself spiralling out of control.

thehandtruck
Mar 5, 2006

the thing about the jews is,
I once heard of a study that showed gambling addicts prefer to lose rather than win. Gambling addicts present and past, is there any truth to this or is it just pop psychology?

Tsietisin
Jul 2, 2004

Time passes quickly on the weekend.

I think there may be some truth to that, because winning all the time is boring.

Dalael
Oct 14, 2014
Hello. Yep, I still think Atlantis is Bolivia, yep, I'm still a giant idiot, yep, I'm still a huge racist. Some things never change!
I dont know what the research say.. but i can say plenty of the regulars did not look happy.

There was this man who would stop playing every hour and go have a smoke in the smoking lounge. He'd light his smoke,sit there and stare into space without drawing a puff. He'd let the cigarette burn itself out and go back to play.

Every day for maybe 5h a day. :(

Spokes
Jan 9, 2010

Thanks for a MONSTER of an avatar, Awful Survivor Mods!
Losing loving sucks.

Winning feels pointless and dead after a while but at least you're not losing.

I can't speak for other gambling addicts but for me i had to play (daily fantasy sports) because what if this one time I had the perfect lineup and could have got rich but i didn't play it? I'd hate myself forever!

I kicked the habit a couple years back at the urging of BFC when I was looking for help with my budget but got back into it since then. It's really tough to do at a healthy level. (by design!)

I decided that in 2021 I wasn't going to gamble real money (or anything that could easily be converted to/from real money) on anything until at least September--I am eleven days in and successful so far. I think it's very likely I'll frequent this thread.

RATS!
Dec 23, 2008

being hosed up by gambling is cool,, imo

RATS!
Dec 23, 2008

oh is this a pervert thread :dafuq:

Strong Sauce
Jul 2, 2003

You know I am not really your father.





don't mess up the stickied thread.. or at the very least be funny about it.

Cyrano4747
Sep 25, 2006

Yes, I know I'm old, get off my fucking lawn so I can yell at these clouds.

Strong Sauce posted:

don't mess up the stickied thread.. or at the very least be funny about it.

I'm going to underscore this.

This is a mental health resource thread. Don't gently caress around in it.

sea of losers
Jun 6, 2007

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in case anyone finds it interesting: dopaminergics like dopamine agonists, like restless leg syndrome treatment drugs (like pramipexole) or parkinson's disease drugs (like levodopa) can cause people to impulsively gamble and do other impulsve dangerous stuff. something to be wary of when seeking treatment for dopaminergic diseases.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20484726/

(yes we already discuss this in tcc, fortunately these drugs are generally of very little recreational value afaik, aside from dopamine-releasing drugs like cocaine or whatever)

sea of losers fucked around with this message at 06:34 on Jan 13, 2021

oxsnard
Oct 8, 2003

thehandtruck posted:

I once heard of a study that showed gambling addicts prefer to lose rather than win. Gambling addicts present and past, is there any truth to this or is it just pop psychology?

it's the ups and downs together, the chaos

anyways, I'm almost 2 years free of gambling. I was balls deep in forex and stock/index options. If you have that little voice in your head saying "this doesn't feel right," LISTEN TO IT

GA was a lifesaver for me. Feel free to PM if you wanna chat, no judgements here

oxsnard
Oct 8, 2003

Spokes posted:

Losing loving sucks.

Winning feels pointless and dead after a while but at least you're not losing.

I can't speak for other gambling addicts but for me i had to play (daily fantasy sports) because what if this one time I had the perfect lineup and could have got rich but i didn't play it? I'd hate myself forever!

I kicked the habit a couple years back at the urging of BFC when I was looking for help with my budget but got back into it since then. It's really tough to do at a healthy level. (by design!)

I decided that in 2021 I wasn't going to gamble real money (or anything that could easily be converted to/from real money) on anything until at least September--I am eleven days in and successful so far. I think it's very likely I'll frequent this thread.

I'm gonna level with you, this is addict broken brain thinking. If you wait until september, you're gonna just go that much crazier with your bets when you start back up

Spokes
Jan 9, 2010

Thanks for a MONSTER of an avatar, Awful Survivor Mods!
That’s true, but, you see, I want to!

Baddog
May 12, 2001
For me, I really focus on bets that I feel I have an edge at. The gambling thrill is getting a shitton of money out there on a razor edge, but as long as that edge is positive....

The challenge is in being sure that you are smart enough that you have actually calculated a positive edge. I feel like I'm gonna get old and dumb and blow up at some point :)

I'd like this forum to encourage looking for advantages, and not just celebrate pure degeneracy, which leads to all sorts of issues. We'll see how that goes though. I'm definitely here as well for anyone who might feel like things are getting out of hand.

Baddog fucked around with this message at 06:48 on Jan 16, 2021

Leperflesh
May 17, 2007

One of the things that happens in the stock trading threads, and on other poker sites, etc. is that people post about their wins, but don't mention their losses. This can give people in the community a very false impression, that everyone else is doing great and making lots of money, with the subtext being: and so can you! I don't think we can require people to post all their losses as a rule, but it's a good thing to keep in mind. Even if someone is super proud of a huge win and deservedly so, you have no idea if that is just leaving them still in the red over the past x amount of time.

I'd also like to tell a little anecdote. A very dear friend of mine is a lifelong smoker. She's about 50 now. Around 10 or so years ago, she decided she absolutely had to quit - even though her mom smoked into her 80s and she always mentions that, like she thinks she has smoke-proof genes, I think she knows in the back of her head that this is gonna kill her eventually. So she quit, cold turkey, and that was great.

But. She hated not smoking in social situations. So she gave herself permission to smoke, but only when she was at a party! That would definitely be OK you see, because she wouldn't be doing it as a habit and wouldn't get addicted.

A few months after she did that, oddly enough, she was going to parties, bars, calling friends over, just suddenly a really active social life, what a coincidence.

She's still a pack a day smoker, now. Makes me and my wife really sad. She has a younger husband, a great job, very intelligent, a vibrand and lovely person, but... the odds are brutal.

If you quit, and you know you needed to quit, don't give yourself some kind of permission or excuse to get back into your destructive addiction "just a bit" or at a certain date or something. Some folks can gamble within a strict budget without affecting their standard of living, obligations to family, ability to save for retirement, etc.; some folks cannot. There are many other passtimes, thrills to seek, ways to make money, and hobbies to get into, it doesn't have to involve wagering.

Tetramin
Apr 1, 2006

I'ma buck you up.

Leperflesh posted:

One of the things that happens in the stock trading threads, and on other poker sites, etc. is that people post about their wins, but don't mention their losses. This can give people in the community a very false impression, that everyone else is doing great and making lots of money, with the subtext being: and so can you! I don't think we can require people to post all their losses as a rule, but it's a good thing to keep in mind. Even if someone is super proud of a huge win and deservedly so, you have no idea if that is just leaving them still in the red over the past x amount of time.

I'd also like to tell a little anecdote. A very dear friend of mine is a lifelong smoker. She's about 50 now. Around 10 or so years ago, she decided she absolutely had to quit - even though her mom smoked into her 80s and she always mentions that, like she thinks she has smoke-proof genes, I think she knows in the back of her head that this is gonna kill her eventually. So she quit, cold turkey, and that was great.

But. She hated not smoking in social situations. So she gave herself permission to smoke, but only when she was at a party! That would definitely be OK you see, because she wouldn't be doing it as a habit and wouldn't get addicted.

A few months after she did that, oddly enough, she was going to parties, bars, calling friends over, just suddenly a really active social life, what a coincidence.

She's still a pack a day smoker, now. Makes me and my wife really sad. She has a younger husband, a great job, very intelligent, a vibrand and lovely person, but... the odds are brutal.

If you quit, and you know you needed to quit, don't give yourself some kind of permission or excuse to get back into your destructive addiction "just a bit" or at a certain date or something. Some folks can gamble within a strict budget without affecting their standard of living, obligations to family, ability to save for retirement, etc.; some folks cannot. There are many other passtimes, thrills to seek, ways to make money, and hobbies to get into, it doesn't have to involve wagering.

Yup. If you give any habit that you’ve decided is destructive an inch, it will take 10 miles on you. I’m lucky that gambling doesn’t scratch a particular itch in my brain, but I have plenty of other vices that are fully capable of ruining my life if I’m not careful. Be safe goons

Spokes
Jan 9, 2010

Thanks for a MONSTER of an avatar, Awful Survivor Mods!
Feeling a bizarre mix of jealousy/fomo/serenity watching the gamestop explosion this week from the sidelines. It's absolutely the kind thing I would have thrown money at in the past but i'm holding strong. Anybody else experiencing something similar?

BonerGhost
Mar 9, 2007

Hey on that removing access to this forum, does that mean I won't see it or I just can't post in it?

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Strong Sauce
Jul 2, 2003

You know I am not really your father.





BonerGhost posted:

Hey on that removing access to this forum, does that mean I won't see it or I just can't post in it?

The former. PM an admin (red star) if you need this forum hidden.

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