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Craps is the funnest way to lose $500 at the $5 table in 3 minutes by playing perfectly.
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So I was messing around with a freeware craps thing and just play the pass, then lay down on 5-9 until the point is rolled or a seven hits. is that a pretty viable craps strategy? I literally haven't gotten any further in terms of what else can be bet so that seems like the most decent strategy.
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Jan 15, 2021 23:44
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Any strategy might work on any given day. On most days, your soundest strategy will make you look like an idiot.
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Jan 16, 2021 00:06
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I’m also curious about that 3 point come strategy that’s in the video series linked by OP. In the guys demonstration he happens to hit pretty hard on it by putting odds down on all the points. Sure seems like a good way to end up with way more money in play than you’d like! He also made it sound like you can’t take your money off the points if you’re playing Come?
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Jan 16, 2021 00:20
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gently caress My rear end posted:Feel like this is pretty important for new / novice players but here is a list of common 'superstitions' and best practices to do/don't do at the craps table that can be considered bad luck and get you dirty looks at the table. I enjoy how you called out something as pseudoscience after listing a bunch of superstitions
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Jan 16, 2021 00:31
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WoodrowSkillson posted:I enjoy how you called out something as pseudoscience after listing a bunch of superstitions I've seen more dice setters shoot so many sevens, almost as much as I've seen a seven come out after someone said it at the table.
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Jan 16, 2021 01:23
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ilmucche posted:So I was messing around with a freeware craps thing and just play the pass, then lay down on 5-9 until the point is rolled or a seven hits. is that a pretty viable craps strategy? I literally haven't gotten any further in terms of what else can be bet so that seems like the most decent strategy. What are you looking for in a strategy? The optimal strategy is to bet don't pass and then max out the odds bet. Doing anything other than that is increasing the house edge. That ends up being boring though (and can burn through cash really fast if you are unlucky) so imo a viable craps strategy is whatever you find fun so long as you aren't losing more money than you're willing to part with.
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Jan 16, 2021 01:59
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I like to play continuous comes with full odds but it’s swingy as all gently caress. Nothing like getting 6 come bets out there loaded up with no repeats then the 7 coming. You’re king of the world when there is a moderately hot roll tho
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Jan 16, 2021 03:00
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WoodrowSkillson posted:I enjoy how you called out something as pseudoscience after listing a bunch of superstitions Craps players are the single most superstitious group of people I've ever seen in my life and it's not even close. Nothing like tapping into a game on stick, calling a 7-out, and having everyone genuinely believe it's your fault!
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Jan 16, 2021 03:22
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It’s weird because I’ll turn off my brain and buy in on some of the craps superstitions (don’t speak of 7, definitely don’t get your hands in the way) but others I could care less. When the dice go on the floor I actually tend to bet more money, and I could give a poo poo if it’s “same dice” when I myself toss one out.
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Jan 16, 2021 03:35
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The best craps strategy is a memorable, repeatable pattern of betting that is fun to play but doesn't deviate too significantly from the same old optimal play
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Jan 16, 2021 03:35
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Also I’m fine with dice setters and have my own superstitions about how I want them oriented when I toss em, but hurry the gently caress up! I hate the people that spend two minutes orienting them and eyeballing it like they are making a PGA Tour putt, just toss that poo poo. You should be able to orient and toss the dice within 5 seconds of getting them pushed to your hand
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Jan 16, 2021 03:40
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As soon as I get the dice they fly. I have hit quite a few hands in my day
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Jan 16, 2021 03:45
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I don't understand the idea behind craps. Like, I get that "a dude throws dice, gets a number, he has to roll that number again before he rolls a seven" that part is fine. What I don't get is how there are a dozen people around him all making/losing money? Like, how do you keep track of that? Who's putting chips out? Who's cashing them in? When the roller makes a roll that completes someone's bet, where are those payout chips coming from? Basically how do craps work as a moneymaking enterprise, not as a "I am an idiot drunk rear end in a top hat who wants to roll some dice"?
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Jan 16, 2021 04:07
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Shrecknet posted:I don't understand the idea behind craps. Like, I get that "a dude throws dice, gets a number, he has to roll that number again before he rolls a seven" that part is fine. Because the house has an edge of win %, the money comes from the house, not other players. Just like blackjack or roulette or whatever. The dealers keeping track of 10 people chucking chips at them and what bets those players want on the other hand seems like a difficult task that takes lots of repetition for them to be able to do. But that’s their job, they’re gonna be good at it.
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Jan 16, 2021 04:10
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Shrecknet posted:I don't understand the idea behind craps. Like, I get that "a dude throws dice, gets a number, he has to roll that number again before he rolls a seven" that part is fine. Casinos have a poo poo load of money and over time craps will bring in more than it pays out so that they have even more money
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Jan 16, 2021 04:11
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Tetramin posted:Because the house has an edge of win %, the money comes from the house, not other players. Just like blackjack or roulette or whatever. The dealers keeping track of 10 people chucking chips at them and what bets those players want on the other hand seems like a difficult task that takes lots of repetition for them to be able to do. But that’s their job, they’re gonna be good at it. I loving understand the house wins because they have an edge, I mean, say I put a ten dollar bet down, and I win and now have 20 dollars. Where is that other ten dollar chip coming from? some dealer chip-shoe? and how do I stop betting and stand up and take my chips and turn them back into money? can I only do that at some point (other than "between throws")? Is there a countdown or do you have until the manic dice-throwing guy next throws to place your bet?
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Jan 16, 2021 04:15
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Shrecknet posted:So there are 10 people betting at a time at the craps table, that's the max? does everyone get a little field with the bets like in that vid on the first page, or colored chips for them and they place their color on the bet they want? I googled the max players at a craps table and it sounds like it can actually be up to 14, and there’s a dealer on both halves of the symmetrical table to handle the betting and payouts. The house will have a massive stack of chips in the middle to handle payouts. I believe the dealers mentally take a note of where they place each persons chips. Like if you put money on a 8 and 3 other people also have, they arrange each bet around the border of the 8 box so that each bet kinda corresponds to where each better is standing at the table to make it easier. Basically the dealers are so familiar with the game it must just be second nature. That video in the OP is actually a series and this kinda gets touched on in video 2 Tetramin fucked around with this message at 04:21 on Jan 16, 2021 |
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Jan 16, 2021 04:19
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Shrecknet posted:So there are 10 people betting at a time at the craps table, that's the max? does everyone get a little field with the bets like in that vid on the first page, or colored chips for them and they place their color on the bet they want? The dealers have huge stacks of chips to cover any bets, that's where any winnings come from. It isn't like roulette where you get colored chips, it's normal denominated casino chips. To make a bet you put your chips on the table, either directly on the pass/don't pass line or if you're making some other kind of bet you put it down and tell the dealer where you want it. If you want to remove a bet you just ask the dealer to take it down. As an example, if I want to make $10 place bets on 6 and 8 I put $20 in chips on the table and say "6 and 8" to the dealer. If I want to remove that bet I would say "Take down my 6 and 8"
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Jan 16, 2021 04:20
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On box numbers and the hard ways, dealers make a little horseshoe that corresponds to where the people are on the table. The bottom right "slot" is next to stick, and the top right is all the way on the hook next to the dealer. For Shreknet, there's also a process called a "fill". As the chips move from the casino to the players, or when players arrive with huge denomination chips, the pit will send out for more chips that get added to the stacks in front of the dealers.
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Jan 16, 2021 04:59
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Tetramin posted:I googled the max players at a craps table and it sounds like it can actually be up to 14, and there’s a dealer on both halves of the symmetrical table to handle the betting and payouts. The house will have a massive stack of chips in the middle to handle payouts. I believe the dealers mentally take a note of where they place each persons chips. Like if you put money on a 8 and 3 other people also have, they arrange each bet around the border of the 8 box so that each bet kinda corresponds to where each better is standing at the table to make it easier. Basically the dealers are so familiar with the game it must just be second nature. Yeah, bort got it right that when dealers place bets, we put them in a place that corresponds to where you’re standing. And you got it right that it takes a really long time dealing the game before it feels comfortable, especially with prop bets where you just kinda have to remember who bet what with each roll. Also also, I can’t speak for other places but my house is down to three players per side because COVID, which sadly I agree with because while a full table rules, it’s also probably really unsafe right now
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Jan 16, 2021 05:26
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Is there ever a time you *don't* take odds on your pass or don't pass?
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Jan 16, 2021 06:02
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AHH F/UGH posted:Is there ever a time you *don't* take odds on your pass or don't pass? Mathematically no But if you're at a $10 table and you've only got $40 left but want to play longer then sure
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Jan 16, 2021 06:08
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Speaking of, will there ever be $5 tables ever again? Since April, I felt the amount of $5 tables in at least California and Vegas have just hit zero or something.
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Jan 16, 2021 06:14
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Realistically, if $15 minimum wages happen? Probably not.
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Jan 16, 2021 06:17
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Even dumpy casinos like excalibur and luxor no longer have $5 tables?
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Jan 16, 2021 06:31
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Last I checked, it was $10. Though I'm not sure, that was like back at Halloween. That said, if we do lose $5 mins across the board, I'd say don't go past NYNY.
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Jan 16, 2021 06:36
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widespread posted:Speaking of, will there ever be $5 tables ever again? Since April, I felt the amount of $5 tables in at least California and Vegas have just hit zero or something. Our casino doubled the minimums from 5 to 10 when we reopened from quarantine since our table sizes were effectively halved - my guess is that once COVID isn’t a factor that limits will drop again?
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Jan 16, 2021 08:08
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I’m traveling to Iowa for work in a few weeks and it appears they got some craps tables down there. So I might kill my evening losing some money, not sure if that area also increased their stakes due to covid, or even what their whole shutdown situation is. What kind of stack should you bring to a $10 table to gamble for a reasonably fun time?
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Jan 16, 2021 13:00
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As with any gambling experience only bring to the table what you can afford to lose and additionally if you plan to gamble multiple times over the course of a trip budget out your expected play sessions. You can sit at the table getting free drinks and shooting the poo poo with other players for a long time just playing minimum pass line.
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Jan 16, 2021 15:34
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widespread posted:Last I checked, it was $10. Though I'm not sure, that was like back at Halloween. Well if nothing else the el cortez practically pays you to come in and suffer their ambiance, so I'm sure they'd have $5 mins.
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Jan 16, 2021 16:14
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I wanted to try craps so badly my last time in Vegas, I was with a few friends on a trip we’d won and we mostly ended up playing card games, which are largely a giant racket which seem to have a massive house edge. Omaha stud, Caribbean stud, this stud, that stud...plus blackjack. Played Caribbean stud like 90% of the time in NOLA at Harrah’s, and actually came out ahead somehow; we lost every single hand in Vegas for most card games besides blackjack. Is the house edge better in other places for some reason? Would this translate to craps too? I’ve just had overall an easier and better experience gambling in just about any game in NOLA compared to Vegas which seems designed to gently caress you over (not that this is surprising because I am sure that’s the intent). If that’s true how do NA casinos compare? Closest to me drive-wise would be OK, never heard anything about gambling on a res
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Jan 16, 2021 16:59
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life is killing me posted:I wanted to try craps so badly my last time in Vegas, I was with a few friends on a trip we’d won and we mostly ended up playing card games, which are largely a giant racket which seem to have a massive house edge. Omaha stud, Caribbean stud, this stud, that stud...plus blackjack. For craps, the house edge is basically defined by the payouts. You don't roll 2d6 at one casino and 2d7 another, the probability of the roll outcomes is well understood. The odds bet in craps is the only fair bet in a casino I've been told, but to even make one you need to make a bet with a house edge baked in. Maximizing your odds bet minimizes the house edge as a proportion of your total bet, but even with no limit to the odds bet, the edge never hits zero. And no sensible casino would do that anyway.
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Jan 16, 2021 17:43
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There is some stuff the casino can do to tweak the odds in Craps that you can look for. The big one is Pass Line odds, but it only affects you if take advantage of them. Odds are a true-even bet, 0% house edge, imagine betting on a coin flip and getting exactly double your money any time you are right. You could flip a million times and would be expected to lose $0. That's why they make you play the Pass Line to take advantage of them. The larger the odds multiplier the better (so long as you can afford it). So a table that allows 2X odds on all numbers is is worse than the Vegas Strip standard (5X on a point of 6/8, 4X on 5/9, 3X on 4/10), which itself is worse than some places that allow 5x, 10x, 20x etc. There have been gimmick tables in the past that have something like a $5 min Pass Line bet and 100x odds, which is amazing value for a casino, but it only really effects you if you can bet $505 without sweating it. Some more off the top of my head: -Changing the payouts on hardways (X FOR 1) is different than (X TO 1) -previously discussed stuff about when vig is paid on a Buy bet -Paying triple on both, either, or none of the 2/12 in the Field bet Pakistani Brad Pitt fucked around with this message at 17:58 on Jan 16, 2021 |
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Jan 16, 2021 17:46
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But is there anything to having an easier time gambling in areas that aren’t LV? I imagine there really isn’t but I’ve never ever had a good time in Vegas compared to NOLA in terms of losing my rear end, though craps does sound like a pretty good equalizer in terms of being able to play a long time and more opportunities for push rather than win/lose only; I’m much more of a, “small bet and play awhile to hope to get ahead over time” like craps seems to be than, “make huge one-time or W/L bets that have very low odds of panning out.” In other words it seems like card games are different between casinos because they can change the odds and no single place in Vegas I’ve visited had small buy-ins or bets versus other places which are easier to sit down and play without worrying too much about losing your rear end. I’m a strategic bettor (or would like to think I am) so if NA casinos would have a better chance of small bet craps tables I’d feel good about taking a short weekend or even a day to drive up to Oklahoma and play craps all day with the old-timers and know I stand a smaller chance of losing hundreds of dollars in a really short time
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Jan 16, 2021 18:01
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At the risk of going off topic, if you don't like actual poker and don't know craps and want to play something for a while, Pai Gow is pretty decent. It often results in a push which helps keep you at the table. Just don't do the side bets.
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Jan 17, 2021 09:26
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aksuur posted:At the risk of going off topic, if you don't like actual poker and don't know craps and want to play something for a while, Pai Gow is pretty decent. It often results in a push which helps keep you at the table. Just don't do the side bets. One day I’ll try it. For now, over the last five days I’ve learned craps fairly decently. I still don’t really understand the C&E bets but just about everything else I feel like I understand, and I’m putting into practice on a couple of craps apps. I have learned what not to bet on for sure. The only problem is, I’m itching to play it for real now and no approaching opportunities to go anywhere near a casino in the near future nor is it that safe anyway
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Jan 17, 2021 14:33
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gently caress My rear end posted:Feel like this is pretty important for new / novice players but here is a list of common 'superstitions' and best practices to do/don't do at the craps table that can be considered bad luck and get you dirty looks at the table. im laughing e: and if you slap the slot machine in the right pattern the reels will stop where you want
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Jan 17, 2021 15:58
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life is killing me posted:One day I’ll try it. C&E just stands for craps and eleven and it's a one time bet that wins on 2 3 11 or 12 and loses on any other number.
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bort posted:Any strategy might work on any given day. On most days, your soundest strategy will make you look like an idiot. lol yeah just roll the bones bruh  the best part of casino craps is watching how ppl setup their ocd dice placement every time
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