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Feb 15, 2021 02:51
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Yeah it's fine but it's much more fun to bet with the table
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TheKevman posted:How is it a general courtesy to help frontline winners cash big while bankrupting yourself, which is always the inevitable outcome of shooting from the don't? I was at a table awhile back where like everyone at the table was playing low stakes, basically $10 pass line with odds and dumb bets elsewhere, and some guy showed up playing the don't and betting comparatively really big. Like he was dumping $500 on the don't pass while everyone else is playing for pocket change. Anyway, he started shooting and hit a bunch of points and it was hilariously awkward. He'd hit a point and all us drunken idiots playing for nothing would be like "YEAAAAAAAAAAAH HELL YEAH...oh wait, sorry dude you just lost a shitload of money....but also YEAHHHHHH HIGH FIVE EVERYONE ELSE"
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Feb 25, 2021 21:20
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I'm going to the local native casino this weekend I'm going to play craps, it is going to be awesome
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Feb 26, 2021 23:08
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Senator Drinksalot posted:Yeah it's fine but it's much more fun to bet with the table The hook for me on the don't is that it just feels so much safer. If I'm betting front line I usually wait for a point and then go like 54 across or whatever and I can't even count how many times I've had a shooter point 7 me on that. On the dark side, sure, I'll bet the DC and get picked off but it's so much more painful to me not even getting a chance on the front side, even though it all comes out about even regardless.
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Trip report with reduced capacity and I guess the demographics of general surrounding area... The native casino is busier than I've ever seen. I couldn't get a seat at the digital craps table (not bubble), but I found my way into a $25 table which is about $15 more than I'm usually play. Anywho went outside my comfort zone, Left $500 richer. Yeahhhhhh
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Need more details on that trip report. What kind of plays did you put in? I was in Tahoe a few weeks ago and thought about playing, but there was nobody in there (didn't wanna play alone) and Covid. Not to mention the table limit was $25, even on a Monday (non holiday) mid-morning. Had it been $10-15 I probably would have bought in. To scratch the itch I've been watching some random YouTube videos where people record live play; there's one channel where they do it sometimes with the casino's knowledge, another where the guy gets caught every so often and has to abruptly turn it off. Definitely not the same as the real thing, but at least I can try to live vicariously through them. I think my favorite, and least favorite thing, is to roll. It's great when you're on a streak, but I feel bad letting the table down when I crap out immediately. I think my longest run was 15 rolls.
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Almost exclusively passline bets with barely more than matching odds. (I'm boring) I just happened to get in on a table where there were frequent 7s on the come out , but not when a point was established. I made a couple of $5 hard 4s which helped  When it was my turn I basically got a little bit anxious and wanted to show self-confidence so I went in on the fire bet (didn't help).
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ThomasPaine posted:I got real mad playing craps a few years ago because it was my second or third time playing and as far as I could tell you threw your money on the table to get chips, and then put chips down to make bets. I had done this before with no issue, but then this time I tossed down my £50 only for the dealer to take that as a field bet (which lost lol) and take all my money Think out the other outcomes. If the dealer made change, you wouldn't have noticed. If the field bet had won, and the dealer had only made change, you might not have noticed - another player might be screaming at the staff.  If the field bet had won, and the dealer paid you, you might have come in here with a story of how lucky you got.  edit: one other element: this may piss off the rationalists here, but buying in with cash, during a shooter's roll, is bad luck in a lot of places. You are absolutely within your rights to do what you did, but it's unwise because of the outcome you got, and it skirts the "good luck" etiquette many players observe, not believing in it, just to keep the table a nice place. My advice is don't be in a huge hurry to play your bet immediately in craps. You are going to miss some huge wins and skirt some huge losses over time the longer you play. Relax, wait for the game to come to you and make all the decisions you want. Ideally, buy in between shooters. If the shooter is hot, wait for a come-out roll. If you really can't wait, then at least wait till the stick person has the dice. Nystral posted:When is the bort fucked around with this message at 18:24 on Apr 3, 2021 |
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I guess the notes may have been on the field box but no one had given any idea that would count as a bet without me clearly saying it was because exchanges seemed to be working on 'just toss your money wherever on the table' rules while bets were all using chips alone.
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aksuur posted:Does anyone believe in dice setting/control? If so, any good free resources? My Dice Control Classes Story I spent a few thousand on dice control classes and can tell you about it. The first answer is right, however: if you are hitting the pyramids, you cannot control or even really influence the outcome of the dice. It's still fun and I could have lost that money in a casino pretty quickly, but instead had fun loving around with other players and fiddling with dice in Vegas and AC. I worked with Golden Touch, a guy named Dom who's an old dude with a Brooklyn accent. Dom will tell the same jokes in the same spots in each class. The in-class time has a lot of Dom waxing philosophical about taking the casinos and the immense riches that await you once you decide to be a player. The other instructors will also parrot this, and go on rants about how the casino is the enemy! They're weak and can be exploited. They're also terribly unfair and ban these people for this skill that they have. The casinos move between utter incompetence or tyrannical prejudice, and all casino employees know in their heart that the business is terribly vulnerable to dice control.  That's the bad part (cost and horseshit). The good part is fiddling around with practice time throwing dice, which is harmless fun. There are a couple pretty valuable classes on craps betting strategies and how the game works from a dealer's perspective. You pal around with other craps players and learn about their terrible strategies that are making them slowly go broke. You then go to casinos at night and watch the professors and students alike completely ignore all the good advice they discussed during the day. It is an interesting population because everyone really knows the game and has enough money to burn to bet at the casinos and be in the classes. I still talk to one of the guys. The expected  part is there's a lot of upselling: buy the other instructors' terrible books, or dice trinkets and practice gear, or whole tables -- everything is for sale. Like anything with the promise of gold at the other end, it's quickly pretty clear all the money is in the instruction and the merch sales.It is seductive! The thing is awash in gambler's fallacy, confirmation bias and all sorts of ways to fool yourself. The worst of those is that once you've invested time and money and your own belief in a system that's fake, it's hard to talk yourself out of it. I had a posse of friends and we'd end up playing a lot. This means you get these fun streaks where everyone runs hot and you look like you own the casino. You also get a lot of looking like a complete moron as you adjust your fingerless gloves, take a cool sip of your club soda, set your dice and seven out on the fourth roll after everyone has pressed up their bets. You forget the losses and remember the wins. Last thing: I so wanted to do a forum invasion. They had the worst bb boards and the posts were just awful. I would have loved to troll the hell out of it. bort fucked around with this message at 14:18 on Apr 4, 2021 |
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Man, that's my first quote is not edit. Took me 18 years. Couple more stories from the dice control world: Snazzy Frocks posted:imagine the nerves of steel you'd need to throw the dice perfectly on the roll where you bet the farm. if you kept throwing a certain way to a certain result enough the dealers or cameras would prob notice The Pubbie in Caesar's My favorite night is in Caesar's AC. This is after the "200 level" class -- of which I'm supposed to take three, and I have a friendly discount but the price is still ridiculous. I'm now, after a year of fiddling around with dice control and talking myself into and out of it, full on sure this is bullshit and have learned my lesson. But my buddies were going and an AC trip sounded fun (it was, but AC is a little  at this point, I imagine it's  now). It's the final evening. There's a mop-up day in the morning where we eat crappy continental breakfast, throw some last dice practice, and get upsold one more time. There's a "cool  " craps table and a "kids" table. The table is all dice controllers, all the instructors and like the students who won the little tournament, as well as the advanced students, who are already five figures in to this malarkey. There's a lot of little-league-baseball style positive chatter. "Ay, how ta go, Fred. Throw us a hard six there, padner!"I'm two to the left of stick, at the kids' table. To my left, a young woman and her mom are straight out, and on the hook, respectively. I'm talking with them and having a good time, just playing and goofing around. The young woman has never played craps before, although she's watched her mom and roughly understands the game. I have a decent roll and hit a few points. The dice pass to her -- and this is where I'm in my phase where I'm only betting on low house-edge bets, and not playing Fire bets. This is before the ATS was loving everywhere disrupting everything, but that's another  . Our table is bubbly and joyous. We've all won a little on my roll. I'd actually won her some money. Sinc she refused to place anything but a 9, and I placed $12 I'd won on a 6 for her, and then hit it.  The are morose. It's been a series of point-sevens and it looks like the dice are circling the table faster than the stick is changing. This is especially true because dice controllers can only throw from a few positions near stick. Otherwise the distance is different, see? And you can't calibrate a pro-athlete caliber throw if you're constantly throwing from different distances...The young woman proceeds to do the opposite of everything we've been taught, and have the roll of a lifetime. She's throwing the dice from straight out, and hurling them as hard as she can. They're bouncing everywhere and flying across to other pits every few rolls. I take a die to the hand that draws a little blood. She starts with a couple of made 4 points, then sets and makes the 10. Then goes on -- not making GBS threads you here, I wasn't on the bet this time -- to make all six points and hit the Fire bet*. She wasn't on it, but several players were. We all made a ton of money. And we all out earned all the highfalutin' dice controllers. We all showered her in black chips. I went over giggling to Dom (who had the "king" position, to the left of stick). He sort of growled at me and wouldn't acknowledge that it was fun that a "pubbie" scored the big win. They did have a word for "pubbie" that wasn't "pubbie" but everyone here knows what that means. For me, I was already exasperated with Dom and his poo poo. His response undermined his whole schtick. If the casinos were really the enemy, then anyone taking them should be celebrated. They were only the enemy to make his system seem valid. That was the final straw! I knew he was full of poo poo, and that he was a terrible person, being unable to enjoy someone else's luck.You can't beat -- or rely upon -- luck. What could be in 300 level courses? The dice controllers don't ignore the pyramid problem. They handwave at it by saying, well, you should completely control the dice perfectly until they leave your hand. Dom claims to be an engineer, wanted a scientific/biomechanical system of throwing, which is using your arm as a straight lever, lifting it and sort of letting the dice leave your hand as a pair. There is incredible minutia about the perfect grip, the speed of your arm, where your eyes go, when you breathe - all that sort of nonsense. Sure, the pyramids will mess up your control, but if you only just touch them minimally, they only do a little! Think applying pro golf coaching to throwing dice. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MrqyVrQWck The dice control rabbit hole goes very deep. There eventually are methodologies for assessing the bounciness of the table, or how the felt will slide. Felt is disappearing from casinos and being replaced with synthetics -- not because they're cheap, fully brandable and last longer, but because dice controllers have basically figured out felt and the casinos will go broke. You are supposed to get very comfortable with your one position (stick-left 1 or stick-left 2, for right-handed people). You should never bet on other shooters! Guess how much everyone follows that rule. Why you go in a posse is that other people will "block" spots, especially straight-out where the dice "landing zone" will be. If you're the blocker, you don't put down pass line bets or odds. You keep that area clear for the throwers. You're an idiot and wasted a lot of money. Yes. But Craps is a waste of money. You should really be putting it into an index fund etc. The thing is awash in superstition and I explored it. The superhero I wish I were can control luck, okay? There are a few good things about it. I said the betting strategies: you do learn what bets are low and high house edge. There is a lot of etiquette adjustment, too, because you practice around people who were dealers and talk a ton about craps. The very good thing they teach everyone: tip the dealers. It's for the wrong reasons (so that they allow you to use this obviously dangerous technique, risking their jobs) but the result is the same. Staff who worked our tables made a lot of money. There are a lot of assholes with stupid, meaningless warm-up rituals who tip nothing. The Fire Bet addendum * The Fire bet has a max 1000:1 payout with a $5 maximum for six points (25:1 for 4, 125:1 for 5). It's a tough math problem to figure out exactly how likely it is, but 6 points is in the neighborhood of 1 in 6200. That's 1 in 6200 shooters. There's a good and bad thing about hitting it. Any payout at a ratio that big (at least in the states I've hit it in, which is Illinois and Indiana) necessitates a W2-G, so you get taxes deducted immediately before it's paid out. I do have incontrovertible proof I've hit it, as a bet, although I've never rolled one. I have done that a staggering three times, and seen it happen twice more. One time is my AC story above. I can't even begin to think how crazy big the number is that I would be there for five of those events. I was playing a lot at the time, but I can't imagine it was that often. Dealers were on it for a buck all three times I hit it, and the crew made a grand 
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Apr 3, 2021 18:03
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Any shot that doesn't hit the back the dealers have the right and sometimes the obligation to not count.
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Assuming someone (more than likely an android) can follow all the rules, hit the pyramids, etc, and still get somehow get consistent rolls... can the casino pull their right to refuse service to anyone and tell them to get lost?
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Apr 10, 2021 01:10
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Snazzy Frocks posted:Assuming someone (more than likely an android) can follow all the rules, hit the pyramids, etc, and still get somehow get consistent rolls... can the casino pull their right to refuse service to anyone and tell them to get lost? I imagine someone more in the know will come in and tell me I’m wrong, but can’t most businesses refuse service to anyone they want as long as it’s not a discrimination thing?
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Apr 10, 2021 01:19
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Assuming someone has telepathy and the casino somehow finds out, can they throw them out? Yes, if we assume this, but we don't need to, because the casino can throw anyone out regardless.
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Snazzy Frocks posted:Assuming someone (more than likely an android) can follow all the rules, hit the pyramids, etc, and still get somehow get consistent rolls... can the casino pull their right to refuse service to anyone and tell them to get lost? yes, same way they ban card counters
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Apr 10, 2021 01:42
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Casino can ban you for any reason including just winning too much. https://youtu.be/dfLjgaR1ihg
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Usually if you're on a real hot streak though they will comp you stuff like a nicer room or a free meal, anything to get you from going away from the tables. Failing that they will kick you out but I've never seen it because nobody ever wins.
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Apr 11, 2021 23:44
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Senator Drinksalot posted:Usually if you're on a real hot streak though they will comp you stuff like a nicer room or a free meal, anything to get you from going away from the tables. Failing that they will kick you out but I've never seen it because nobody ever wins. One of my friends got a 35 roll hotstreak and he got a shirt and a selfie with the pitboss. Plus some drunk highroller threw some chips at him
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TheReverend posted:Casino can ban you for any reason including just winning too much. i'm sorry i have to call bullshit on that video... if he was card counting they would just tell him to stop playing blackjack. they wouldn't just completely 86 him from the property, especially because of the attention he attracts for the casino. i assume they figured he was counting and asked him not to play blackjack and dana white probably just turned the story around into, "wow they _BANNED_ me for being too good" but also, i find it hard to believe dana white has the brain cells to keep count. dude is a moron and is a habitual liar...
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Strong Sauce posted:i'm sorry i have to call bullshit on that video... if he was card counting they would just tell him to stop playing blackjack. they wouldn't just completely 86 him from the property, especially because of the attention he attracts for the casino. i assume they figured he was counting and asked him not to play blackjack and dana white probably just turned the story around into, "wow they _BANNED_ me for being too good" In the end of the video he says that the person who called him told him they want him to hang out there, just not play.
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Senator Drinksalot posted:Usually if you're on a real hot streak though they will comp you stuff like a nicer room or a free meal, anything to get you from going away from the tables. Failing that they will kick you out but I've never seen it because nobody ever wins. Now, it’s free stuff that would have been cheaper if you had just paid for it, but... makes the sting hurt a little less to stuff yourself with buffet mac and cheese
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Apr 25, 2021 16:39
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Just saw a table where you throw on a digital glass surface and place your bets on interfaces stationed around the table. Just a stickman working and calling numbers. The future is here
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Snazzy Frocks posted:Just saw a table where you throw on a digital glass surface and place your bets on interfaces stationed around the table. Just a stickman working and calling numbers. The future is here Can you still dump your drink all over the table?
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well there's fewer people to notice you setting your drink on the rails before its too late
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Elephanthead posted:Can you still dump your drink all over the table? How fast do you get thrown out if this happens, I would be so embarrassed. On a craps table too it would gently caress the whole game.
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Snazzy Frocks posted:Just saw a table where you throw on a digital glass surface and place your bets on interfaces stationed around the table. Just a stickman working and calling numbers. The future is here Was in OK this weekend at Choctaw and played on this table. I like to play wrong way so this was perfect. Me and fiancee walked out with 1200 winnings. A++++ would push buttons on terminal again! Elephanthead posted:Can you still dump your drink all over the table? I know you're joking, but there's chairs at the terminals and there's built in cupholders on each side so there's like zero chance for spilling on the table unless you're shooting and drinking at the same exact time.
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TheKevman posted:The hook for me on the don't is that it just feels so much safer. If I'm betting front line I usually wait for a point and then go like 54 across or whatever and I can't even count how many times I've had a shooter point 7 me on that. I’ve had this happen to me 4 rolls in a row where then next roll as soon as I put down money is a 7
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Now there's a pretty common machine where everyone gets a pair of dice they can hit a button to roll at their earliest convenience. Biggest advantages of machines are that it always pays correctly instead of making you bet in certain denominations to get fair payouts without the casino rounding in their favor.
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The only machines in casinos I trust are ATMs.
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Edward Mass posted:The only machines in casinos I trust are ATMs. even those steal from you
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Snazzy Frocks posted:even those steal from you At least they’re honest about stealing!
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Edward Mass posted:The only machines in casinos I trust are ATMs. Putting $20 in the change machine at the casino arcade and cheering as the quarters keep coming clanking out
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There's a wonderful, quiet noise when a table is running right. It can be this combo, a quiet hum. Thrumming air conditioning, the rattling of seas of roulette chips draining, quiet conversation and the plock of the dice hitting the felt. Things go really well when you reach that state, but it's seemingly easy to break -- someone turning off their bets or quibbling about a three-dollar payout, and boom, seven out. The whole noise changes, everyone groans and gripes. The noises become more asynchronous, and that hum goes away. Good time to bet the dark side.
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Snazzy Frocks posted:Now there's a pretty common machine where everyone gets a pair of dice they can hit a button to roll at their earliest convenience. Biggest advantages of machines are that it always pays correctly instead of making you bet in certain denominations to get fair payouts without the casino rounding in their favor. I played one at Bally's Las Vegas that seated about 12 and had a big pair of dice in a bubble in the middle that would roll when the shooter pressed a button and you made your bets on a touch screen. Got up about 1000 on it and should've walked away but then I decided to just blow it all on long odds bets cause I was having so much fun. It was great, and moved much faster than a table while still maintaining the table vibe. During my run I went on an 18 roll streak and everyone was hooting and hollering, it rocked.
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I'm heading out to Atlantic City for my first casino trip since the Before Times. Here's hoping that they still have $5 craps tables at Bally's, that was always the best thing after AC after the sleazy gay bar where I caught strep throat making out with a stripper.
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RapturesoftheDeep posted:I'm heading out to Atlantic City for my first casino trip since the Before Times. Here's hoping that they still have $5 craps tables at Bally's, that was always the best thing after AC after the sleazy gay bar where I caught strep throat making out with a stripper. Sounds like a wild night out
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In case anybody's local, there are definitely not any $5 craps tables in AC right now-- there aren't a lot of table games open right now period and the ones that are there have noticeably higher limits. Also they have those sad computerized craps tables and some weird gimmicky new version of pai gow poker. Combine that with the lack of poker tournaments, there's not much there for me now except the outlet mall.
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