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rouliroul posted:I play low-mid stakes hyper turbos MTTs on Stars these days, with the rare shot at some bigger event during series (55 to 215). My days of hitting the register button for a 2k SCOOP on a whim are far gone. well thank god for that
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Unamuno posted:Stoxtrader was also colluding IIRC, but it was definitely the players who caught it and reported it to the sites, not the site's security on its own. Vie to become Jeopardy host to get your revenge on Ken Jennings.
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Strong Sauce posted:Vie to become Jeopardy host to get your revenge on Ken Jennings. The best revenge is living well and never meeting bean dad.
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Brut posted:That's probably true if you're playing heads up and you have knowledge and certainty of the opponent's strategy, can't really count on that though. Believe it or not it actually isn't, in any game where you have equally distributed cards like poker you can employ a strategy that's balanced enough that it can never lose, you can read more about the details of that principle here (although wiki articles typically aren't actually that easy to understand even if you have a basic idea of what they're talking about, in my experience) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nash_equilibrium A really simple analogy would be: Suppose we are playing rock paper scissors. I employ a strategy that always throws rock because I loving LOVE rock!!! A good poker player playing expletively would notice this and start throwing paper. They might throw paper every time until I adjust (this is basically what's known as a tit for tat strategy in game theory) or they might just weight their own strategy to include more paper as to not give away that they've noticed my rock strategy. A GTO bot would simply play rock paper or scissors completely at random and would not be able to ever lose doing this, though it would also never win. I'm having a little harder time coming up with an exact analogy in a game where you can make a mistake, because obviously at RPS you can't ever make a strict "mistake" whereas in poker you can do things like wildly overplay or underplay your hand. But yeah anyway the crux of GTO is that even if its strategy were fully known by the opponent (and in fact it's part of the setup of game theory itself that both players know each other's strategy fully) it can still never lose
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What’s the best way to learn gto in poker?
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There's various courses and books, the book modern poker theory by Acevedo is a pretty good primer about it although most of the example hands are about tournaments and are solved for like 40 bb stacks so they aren't the same as cash but a lot of the principles still apply
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MY INEVITABLE DEBT posted:well thank god for that Played a live 1k I couldn't afford 2 years ago and got 5th tho
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mfcrocker posted:What’s the best way to learn gto in poker? Studying gto is a good idea to better understand the fundamental math of the game, but you should only implement it against extremely high level players or bots. By definition, you can't exploit others' play styles if you're playing gto, and almost every live player in a 1/2 or 2/5 (and some 5/10 and above) is super exploitable. That guy at the table who's reading a newspaper and literally only bets if he has it? Having a huge folding range against him is super profitable, but doing that isn't gto. Nash table is absolutely amazing in a shortstacked final table though, so many people are scared shitless of what amounts to a pretty big open shoving range
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Sentient Data posted:Studying gto is a good idea to better understand the fundamental math of the game, but you should only implement it against extremely high level players or bots. By definition, you can't exploit others' play styles if you're playing gto, and almost every live player in a 1/2 or 2/5 (and some 5/10 and above) is super exploitable. Yeah basically this, gto is good to understand because it helps you spot when people are deviating, but like people play so far from gto that playing close to it usually isn't great.
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I play mostly 5/10 plo at private games around town except this one game is a 5/10 NLHE with no cap on the buy in and that game gets wild. I can’t play online poker because my brain won’t accept it’s real money. I have to play live because my game relies on reads and figuring people out. Also it’s really easy for me to get into someone’s head and figure them out and get them to make mistakes. When covid hit I stopped playing for 6 months but now there are a hunch of games hat require you to get a negative covid test the day before. So far that has worked out and no one has got covid. I do not like the local casinos here so I rarely ever play in the casino.
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Bardeh posted:I haven't played in a long time. I pop onto Stars every few months to take a look, and it's so different now. Sports betting and casino games all over it, and all these weird SNG formats that seem to basically serve to let people gamble it up. Ha that's right. I think I had said the deal was someone had to win both tournaments to get the PS3 and you ended up coming 1st and 2nd or something like that. I just remember it was more of a marketing deal and the odds of someone qualifying to get the PS3 were fairly unlikely. Then you came so freaking close that I had to get you one. Scotsman fucked around with this message at 12:34 on Jan 13, 2021 |
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I was a dirt poor student at the time playing micro MTTs on Stars and it was like Christmas had come. All of those sites we used to play on, like Cake and Cellsino and these random rear end little sites that would offer rakeback deals are just gone into the ether now. I guess the US regulation just destroyed it all? I also remember, when I used to read 2+2, that more than a few just disappeared with player's funds too. poo poo was like the Wild West.
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I got TWO PS3s from Cake poker, because at one point I had ordered one with cake points, it didn't come for like 6 months, I e-mailed them and then somehow they sent me two, so I sold one on SA Mart. I also somehow got an ipad 3 from Lock WELL after they stopped actually paying anyone out so it's very weird that they had the money to send me an ipad but not pay me my money lol
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Bardeh posted:I was a dirt poor student at the time playing micro MTTs on Stars and it was like Christmas had come. Oh god Cellsino, I haven't heard that name in a decade. I remember having so many problems with that site and have a ton of support tickets in my email. They would have server crashes on their end and you would just have cancelled hands or cancelled tournaments. Good times. 
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Online poker is (basically) legal in Canada but I cannot for the life of me imagine playing it like that. On the other hand, everywhere is closed. I'm bad at math and strategy, my only edge is reading people.  Maybe this is when I finally learn how play beyond vaguely knowing when to raise or call. 
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You should. You can just (CC processor willing) deposit money on Stars and play, which is pretty easy. Because of the subforum's rebirth I did some $1 Spin and Gos last night. These players are terrible, but then so am I, so I'm just treading water. Learning the math (even fuzzily) will do a lot to improve your game over just "reading people".
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Oh yeah, note to any new players - as dramatic and cool as it may seem, reading people is usually a mistake. What you really want to do is understand their actions. Watch other players, especially when you're not actively in the hand. See if they like to raise or call with good/bad cards, see if their betting size is consistent or changes badger on the strength of their hand, keep an eye on if they ever check raise and how they respond to pressure. Do they call to the river with get trash, or do they instantly give up on the flop if they don't hit? Do they chase straights and/or flushes?
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Yeah that, whenever we end up in a home game outside of some actual luck it's my best friend and I in the final head to head. I'd never sat in a real MTT before in Vegas and joined a (quite amateur) one and came in 4th. Won a couple hundred bucks at the Rio. I'm no super goon multi table genius, I'm pretty bad at pot odds and stuff but I'm a pretty tight player who tries to recognize blind spots in my own play and others. Honestly most people just cannot play well for a long time - the same way in an FPS game being patient works, everyone always peeks. If there are multiple people at a table playing with better long term strategy unless it's super fun or low stakes I don't stick around too long. Obviously not every table is full of suckers but if there's someone else playing the really long game at the table unless we get into bullying the same idiot I usually don't sit long. The 4th in the tourney I probably won like 4-5 hands all day, just played tight and after a few people get bored or cocky or drunk they start making pushes. bus hustler fucked around with this message at 17:54 on Jan 14, 2021 |
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Back when Poker was a really big thing in that 2006-ish era and it was on TV all the time and stuff, I'd get together with people from my job basically every weekend and we'd do a few hours of house games. The problem is that house game dealers are just the people in the game, and often time there are disagreements about the rules. Usually we kept it really small, like 5c/10c big and small blinds, just because we were all 20 year olds with not much money to lose. I went to a few house games recommended by friends-of-friends and saw some people get physical. When my boss and I used to scam casinos in Korea, we'd sometimes go to small poker rooms as well and generally cleaned up. That said, they're loving abysmal as far as the atmosphere. They had a 10 second to act rule, are smoky as hell because they're just in tiny rented apartments, and the people there will generally all know each other and are usually all working together to try and play against you and not each other. Sentient Data posted:Oh yeah, note to any new players - as dramatic and cool as it may seem, reading people is usually a mistake. What you really want to do is understand their actions. Watch other players, especially when you're not actively in the hand. See if they like to raise or call with good/bad cards, see if their betting size is consistent or changes badger on the strength of their hand, keep an eye on if they ever check raise and how they respond to pressure. Do they call to the river with get trash, or do they instantly give up on the flop if they don't hit? Do they chase straights and/or flushes? This is true, but that said, there is another ability people should learn - recognizing who at the table is actually readable. There are definitely people out there who are so obvious with their tells and their acting that you basically know what they're holding at all times.
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Most of the players here are regs who just seem so jaded they don’t really display any emotion. The younger people do, occasionally you’ll see a guy with shaky hands when he’s got a good hand or whatever. I am also not a successful player. I somehow survived unemployed by playing poker for about 5 months, but overall I’m definitely on the losing side. But I agree I’m not about to go all in against a guy because he scratched his nose or whatever.
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Collateral posted:Is there a non betting poker platform? If you want to play with irl friends, https://www.pokernow.club/ works really well. It doesn't handle transactions, but we just settle up with each other via bank transfers afterwards. If you aren't playing for money anyway, I'd say it's pretty much perfect for low stress, friendly games.
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Tetramin posted:Most of the players here are regs who just seem so jaded they don’t really display any emotion. The younger people do, occasionally you’ll see a guy with shaky hands when he’s got a good hand or whatever. I am also not a successful player. I somehow survived unemployed by playing poker for about 5 months, but overall I’m definitely on the losing side. But I agree I’m not about to go all in against a guy because he scratched his nose or whatever. My boss was insanely good at faking tells (against admittedly pretty lovely punters) for bluffs. He would spend every hand slouched down and relaxed and chatty but then when he had a good hand he'd suddenly get quiet and 'hyper focused' and sit up over the railing of the table and watch all the action super intently. He could basically muscle people out of anything.
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I try not to be chatty because it's hard to keep it up when you are legit caught off guard by a bet/fold/etc I'm not pro enough to have every possibility mapped out like a decision engine.
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I started playing again last year for the first time since the old US poker ban. Took the free $20 on globalpoker to 10 grand, now trying to do the same w/ $100 a friend gave me on ACR. Poker strategy in the current year is waaaaay more interesting than it was 10 years ago god drat.
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I was unemployed for a year and paid all my bills playing 2/5 NLH and 5/10 PLO live. The PLO game was wild, had lots of whales dropping tens of thousands of dollars each month. Then COVID hit so now I'm a programmer.
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Notorious R.I.M. posted:I started playing again last year for the first time since the old US poker ban. Took the free $20 on globalpoker to 10 grand, now trying to do the same w/ $100 a friend gave me on ACR. Poker strategy in the current year is waaaaay more interesting than it was 10 years ago god drat. How did you run $20 up to $10k in 2019-2020? Legit wondering. Is the action on global poker just that soft? That’s wild man, if you can do the same on ACR I’ll be even more impressed. I also probably just loving suck but even when I was living off it my roll never got that high
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Tetramin posted:How did you run $20 up to $10k in 2019-2020? Legit wondering. Is the action on global poker just that soft? That’s wild man, if you can do the same on ACR I’ll be even more impressed. I also probably just loving suck but even when I was living off it my roll never got that high Global poker players are loving garbage and I also ran good. There were days that I binked two tourneys and weeks that I binked five. aperson on sharkscope for stats.
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Notorious R.I.M. posted:Global poker players are loving garbage and I also ran good. There were days that I binked two tourneys and weeks that I binked five. aperson on sharkscope for stats. I did a similar thing in like 2007 where I spun up like $500 into 10k in like 6 months but that was in much softer games so that's very impressive for nowadays. I was also shot taking pretty aggressively, I'd gamble 2 buyins at a stake every time I had 10 It was literally on "poker.com" lol
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Stefan Prodan posted:I did a similar thing in like 2007 where I spun up like $500 into 10k in like 6 months but that was in much softer games so that's very impressive for nowadays. I was also shot taking pretty aggressively, I'd gamble 2 buyins at a stake every time I had 10 Huh, I know a dude who part-owned that domain name - they ended up selling it to Stars for a tidy sum
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mfcrocker posted:Huh, I know a dude who part-owned that domain name - they ended up selling it to Stars for a tidy sum That's odd, are you sure it was the same domain name, and that it was Stars? It was a merge poker skin, and then now it's just some random lovely RB site.
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Tetramin posted:Most of the players here are regs who just seem so jaded they don’t really display any emotion. The younger people do, occasionally you’ll see a guy with shaky hands when he’s got a good hand or whatever. I am also not a successful player. I somehow survived unemployed by playing poker for about 5 months, but overall I’m definitely on the losing side. But I agree I’m not about to go all in against a guy because he scratched his nose or whatever. When I was playing for a living way back in the day, Id get shaky hands when I was in a pot over a certain amount just because the adrenaline would hit me. People assumed I was bluffing and was nervous because my hands shook, so I started using that to my advantage at new tables before people just figured out my hands just shook with the pot size no matter what. I almost miss that. Now that I dont care as much about those amounts of money due to being more than a decade older, I dont get the same adrenaline and its gone.
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I also used to play semi-professionally before the sites all went away from the US. Since Covid hit I've started playing again for the first time in years. I play on Bodog mostly, but also Betonline and find them both lacking. I go for the higher limit hold 'em cash tables and the $100 3-person hyper sit and gos when I am bored or tilted from a table loss to slow things down. I wish there were other places I could play that had more players / varieties of games because neither of those sites seem to be able to regularly fill a sit and go. I miss the days before the when sites had many thousands of players at any given time from all over the world. Belbos Computer fucked around with this message at 15:45 on Jan 17, 2021 |
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Darko posted:When I was playing for a living way back in the day, Id get shaky hands when I was in a pot over a certain amount just because the adrenaline would hit me. People assumed I was bluffing and was nervous because my hands shook, so I started using that to my advantage at new tables before people just figured out my hands just shook with the pot size no matter what. Absolutely haha. I used to get shaky in any pot that got bigger than tiny. To the point where people would start telling me that my shaky hands threw them off because it was always happening and they couldn’t assign a reason to it. And there really wasn’t, just throwing big chips into play the adrenaline would start hitting. I did the same thing tho using it to get an advantage over people trying to make physical reads too.
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Notorious R.I.M. posted:Global poker players are loving garbage and I also ran good. There were days that I binked two tourneys and weeks that I binked five. aperson on sharkscope for stats. Yeah the global player pool is ASTOUNDINGLY bad. I'm forcing myself to play sit and gos and rapidly realizing putting people to the test for their stack in certain spots may be -EV because I'm thinking I'm facing rational actors
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I play poker in much the same way I bet on horses. For about two weeks a year, with no notion of correct strategy, for tiny sums (a euro on a horse, and in cash 1c/2c games,) where I let my "gut" inform things when I'm not convinced I'm definitely on a winner of a read and am actually just about to lose all my buy in. I do this on Pokerstars, and I'd recommend you play against me except I doubt anyone here would care to grind for my two bucks. Although I suppose I am better at horse racing considering I'm break even for the past two Cheltenhams. Still, I wouldn't mind getting to the point of "break even" at poker, either cash or tournaments, even with mostly losing at cash so far.
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I used to be pretty decent at online poker but now the games in NJ aren't very good and I'm not good anymore. I miss live poker. Those games are still terrible.
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Stefan Prodan posted:That's odd, are you sure it was the same domain name, and that it was Stars? It was a merge poker skin, and then now it's just some random lovely RB site. You're right, I've confused it with .co.uk 
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oh yea i guess i never said i play 5/10 and 10/20 on ignition now
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In terms of small winnings but free money This resolves in fewer than 24 hours most likely, it's REALLY REALLY looking like a No https://www.predictit.org/markets/detail/6453/Will-Trump-pardon-himself-in-his-first-term https://www.predictit.org/markets/detail/5158/Will-Donald-Trump-complete-his-first-term this is probably dead but was as "cheap" as .97 a little bit ago which is literally just free money, but only like $22.50 on a max bet :\
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Hello! I'm on Ignition playing NL25 and recently started 4 tabling NL10, I'm having a blast even if it's for peanuts. I managed to win one of those Lucky 7s $22 buy-in tournaments a few months ago for $1600, too, that's my big story. It's turned into a nice bankroll while I try to get better at cash games. What's the move with spending those reward miles/points, tournament entries? Cash bonuses that I don't really understand??
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