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silvergoose: Mar 18, 2006; IT IS SAID THE TEARS OF THE BWEENIX CAN HEAL ALL WOUNDS

Thanks! I'd never heard any of that, very interesting.

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Mind_Taker: May 7, 2007

That sounds a lot better than the Florida rooms. People I know in Tampa say that action is pretty dead these days. Used to be great several years ago, but now it's a lot of grinders playing $2/$5 and up and the lower stakes games aren't uncapped/match the biggest stack like you mention they are in Texas.

# ? Jun 23, 2021 20:01

Strong Sauce: Jul 2, 2003; You know I am not really your father.

isn't Florida still spread bet games?

Texas also can't have poker rooms so they're actually clubs you pay to be a member of. they also do time instead of rake. What's the hourly rate at now for Texas? I think someone did the calculation and given the time (lul) saved by going with time instead of rake it may or may not just break even.

edit: do you also have to tip outside of your stack? is that still happening?

Strong Sauce fucked around with this message at 20:20 on Jun 23, 2021

# ? Jun 23, 2021 20:16

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Mind_Taker posted:

That sounds a lot better than the Florida rooms. People I know in Tampa say that action is pretty dead these days. Used to be great several years ago, but now it's a lot of grinders playing $2/$5 and up and the lower stakes games aren't uncapped/match the biggest stack like you mention they are in Texas.

Last time I played cash in St Pete the $1/2 was pretty dire. I'm mostly a tournament player though, so I'm not the best person to ask.

# ? Jun 23, 2021 20:26

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Strong Sauce posted:

isn't Florida still spread bet games?

Texas also can't have poker rooms so they're actually clubs you pay to be a member of. they also do time instead of rake. What's the hourly rate at now for Texas? I think someone did the calculation and given the time (lul) saved by going with time instead of rake it may or may not just break even.

edit: do you also have to tip outside of your stack? is that still happening?

noooo lol they havent been spread bet in several years

# ? Jun 23, 2021 20:56

Imaduck: Apr 16, 2007; the magnetorotational instability turns me on

Strong Sauce posted:

Texas also can't have poker rooms so they're actually clubs you pay to be a member of. they also do time instead of rake. What's the hourly rate at now for Texas? I think someone did the calculation and given the time (lul) saved by going with time instead of rake it may or may not just break even.

Yeah, rooms in Texas are typically $10-16/hour. Most are on the low end of that, but in some of the bigger cities (Dallas/Houston)
have full food/drink service and charge more. In Nevada, high stakes and mixed games are typically hourly rakes as well ($12-18/hour), so most of the rooms in Texas work out to be cheaper or similar to Vegas. Raked games in Vegas end up take about the same on average, and unregulated raked home games tend to be waaaaaay worse than that.

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edit: do you also have to tip outside of your stack? is that still happening?

You used to have to buy "tip chips," but they've mostly done away with it. It's become pretty clear that Texas legislature isn't going to pass anything (good or bad) about card rooms any time soon, so one by one the little loopholes rooms were doing are eroding away. I've even heard about one or two rooms that are doing a normal rake.

# ? Jun 23, 2021 21:12

Thom Yorke raps: Nov 2, 2004

Mind_Taker posted:

Yes but you still need to achieve a pretty incredible and perhaps unrealistic win-rate in order to net $20 an hour in live 5-handed $1/$2 NLHE is my overall point.

Edit: contrast that with 2/5. Assuming $5 rake per hand and 40 hands an hour, that's $200 an hour off the table. Assuming you're paying 20% of the rake in a 5-handed game, that means $40 of rake per hour (in reality this might be less for the reasons you mentioned, but for the sake of argument let's go with 20%). So if we want to net $20 an hour we need to make $60 an hour before rake, which is a much more reasonable and achievable 30 BB/100 winrate at 2/5. And as you mentioned maybe even a slightly lower winrate would be necessary if we're paying less rake than an average player.

My experience is that shorthanded live games are much more profitable then full ring games, and that 10bb/hour in full ring games is quite achievable at 2/5, which makes me assume it is also achievable at 1/2; I know the rake impact is higher, but the playskill is much lower. I haven't played 1/2 in awhile though, so I could be wrong.

Two weeks ago, I was playing in an 8 handed 2/5 game and losing a bit. It got shorthanded 2/5 for two hours, and I crushed it, just ran the table over. Then it got 8 handed again and I had to quiet down and play real hands. You can just get away with so much when you're playing with people who mostly play full ring, and it gets down to 3-4 people.

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leper khan: Dec 28, 2010; Honest to god thinks Half Life 2 is a bad game. But at least he likes Monster Hunter.

Imaduck posted:

Yeah, rooms in Texas are typically $10-16/hour. Most are on the low end of that, but in some of the bigger cities (Dallas/Houston)
have full food/drink service and charge more. In Nevada, high stakes and mixed games are typically hourly rakes as well ($12-18/hour), so most of the rooms in Texas work out to be cheaper or similar to Vegas. Raked games in Vegas end up take about the same on average, and unregulated raked home games tend to be waaaaaay worse than that.

You used to have to buy "tip chips," but they've mostly done away with it. It's become pretty clear that Texas legislature isn't going to pass anything (good or bad) about card rooms any time soon, so one by one the little loopholes rooms were doing are eroding away. I've even heard about one or two rooms that are doing a normal rake.

I just moved to Austin, was curious if you knew which card room was best in the area. Several years ago I played 2/3 and 5/5 full time between jobs in LA. Assuming I could still play profitably, it sounds like it should be structurally easier with an hourly rate than the drop out there.

Are tourneys as soft as you're describing the cash games out here?

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Imaduck: Apr 16, 2007; the magnetorotational instability turns me on

Thom Yorke raps posted:

My experience is that shorthanded live games are much more profitable then full ring games, and that 10bb/hour in full ring games is quite achievable at 2/5, which makes me assume it is also achievable at 1/2; I know the rake impact is higher, but the playskill is much lower. I haven't played 1/2 in awhile though, so I could be wrong.

One of the big factors in 1/2 is how short people buy in for, and folks don't top off their stacks. It depends on where you play, but in Vegas there are rooms with like, $40 minimums, and half the table will be in for somewhere around that. At that point, even if you stack them, you have to have a pretty huge edge to beat the rake. You also have a bunch of nitty OMCs, who like, yeah, you're beating, but they're barely playing hands, so not for much.

leper khan posted:

I just moved to Austin, was curious if you knew which card room was best in the area. Several years ago I played 2/3 and 5/5 full time between jobs in LA.

Hello fellow Austin Goon! The Lodge and Texas Card House are your two main options. There are a bunch of smaller rooms around town, but they usually only have one or two 1/2 tables going at any given time, maybe a little more on weekends, and no higher stakes. I prefer The Lodge because it's a bit softer and the hourly rate is lower. They're also about to expand to 60 tables, making them one of the largest rooms in the country. It's up in Round Rock though, so might be a bit of a haul if you're in South Austin. TCH also has nicer chairs and decor (although neither are casino quality).

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Assuming I could still play profitably, it sounds like it should be structurally easier with an hourly rate than the drop out there.

Not sure what you mean by "structurally easier." From what I know of CA rooms, the games are softer here. They're a bit wilder though, so expect higher variance.

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Are tourneys as soft as you're describing the cash games out here?

Yes. Soft in different ways, but yes. That being said, I don't know of too many tournaments being run at reasonable stakes here. It's really confusing: most of the tournaments are called "freerolls" here, but it's a total joke. Basically, you _can_ get like, 5k chips for free, but you can also do a triple "re-buy" for actual money and get another 15k, plus pay a "dealer appreciation" fee, which gives you like 20k more chips. And then there's an add on at some point. It's confusing AF. I'm sure there's some good tournaments at some rooms, but I don't feel like navigating the nonsense at this point. I basically don't play any of the tournaments now unless a series is running. I think most rooms stopped charging the hourly rake during tournaments though, which is good.

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