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Twitch has a huge amount of Online casinos offer deposit bonuses, usually with a lot of small print that dictates how the bonus money can be used and the total amount of wagers which must be completed before it can be withdrawn. Online casino steamers use deposit bonuses to augment their initial deposit, and the more popular streamers get sweetheart deposit deals with these casinos in exchange for promoting the casino on the stream. The most popular streamers get a 300% bonus, so an initial deposit of $2000 cash becomes $8000 in casino credits, and they must wager a total of $200,000+ before they can cash out. These cash deposits are often called 'bullets', and it's common for a streamer to gamble with large bets ($100+ per spin) with these bullets in order to hit a big win and build a sizable balance to finish up the wager balance. If they don't hit a big win and run out of money then they load another bullet and start again. Rinse and repeat every day for 12 hours. I've been watching Roshtein lately. He's a high-roller slot streamer, and fairly entertaining. I find it fun to watch the big wins and the big losses, so win/win! https://twitch.tv/roshtein
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this shits kinda gross. these ppl are just shilling various gambling sites to a lot of children. it's not like "watch me havin fun gambling" it's like "watch a website pay me to spin reels to give you the illusion that you can win money"
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Jan 11, 2021 17:30
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So I don't tend to watch many live streams, but what I do watch are YouTube gambling videos. There are 4 main channels that I watch with any regularity. SDGuy1234 You can be in two minds about this player. He only plays slots and he is absolutely the kind of person you do not want to have gambling in the Casino when you are. He is loud and rude but oh boy is he passionate about his plays. Occasionally he will do a livestream on Youtube. You love to hate him. The most annoying things about his video is that he never shows him being down over the course of a session. SlotLady This player has a deal with the casino she plays in to live stream the table games she plays. So you get to see her playing Blackjack, 3 card poker, Casino Hold Em, Bacarrat and the occasional slot live. The wins and losses are real and like real life, she loses more often than wins. Stop n' Step This is a UK player that when not in a virus based lockdown will record videos in the bookmakers and arcades near where he lives. This guy comes over as really genuine. His wagers in the bookies are not massive, usually a few hundred a session. You get to see exactly how terrible the UK Fixed Odds betting terminals have become. The Bandit Another UK player, this time plays only slots online. The Bandit has a particular style to his videos that you cannot help but enjoy. He will celebrate and swear like a trooper depending on how things are going for him that session. This guy can be a massive degenerate however and when he gets on tilt on a machine (usually Reel King) then he could be in for £60-70,000 a session. This guy is also genuine and goes out of his way to show that hes not being paid by the casinos. its his actual money hes losing. So thats a few I enjoy for one reason or another. Are there any others people enjoy?
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Jan 11, 2021 20:34
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MY INEVITABLE DEBT posted:this shits kinda gross. these ppl are just shilling various gambling sites to a lot of children. it's not like "watch me havin fun gambling" it's like "watch a website pay me to spin reels to give you the illusion that you can win money" I totally agree with this take. Like the audience on twitch is largely kids, it’s even worse than those streams where they open up 200 video game loot boxes. I used to watch a couple online poker streamers but they would always talk strategy and stuff so that’s about the extent of what I got out of it.
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Jan 11, 2021 22:25
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MY INEVITABLE DEBT posted:this shits kinda gross. these ppl are just shilling various gambling sites to a lot of children. it's not like "watch me havin fun gambling" it's like "watch a website pay me to spin reels to give you the illusion that you can win money" Yep and Roshtein gets non-stop casino deals that the average person can never get, so it's not a real representation of gambling at all. He can be entertaining though, despite being ridiculously cheesy. But yeah it's kinda evil really.
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Jan 12, 2021 00:19
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MY INEVITABLE DEBT posted:this shits kinda gross. these ppl are just shilling various gambling sites to a lot of children. it's not like "watch me havin fun gambling" it's like "watch a website pay me to spin reels to give you the illusion that you can win money" On the flip side, watching these streams scratches the slots itch for me and has been better for my slot addiction than anything else. That isn’t to downplay the potential harm, but to offer a different perspective of where they can also be really helpful
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Jan 12, 2021 02:29
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mfcrocker posted:On the flip side, watching these streams scratches the slots itch for me and has been better for my slot addiction than anything else. they can make it way more... idk ethical? the bad parts dont necessitate disallowing gambling on stream entirely
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Jan 12, 2021 02:55
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MY INEVITABLE DEBT posted:they can make it way more... idk ethical? the bad parts dont necessitate disallowing gambling on stream entirely Yeah for sure, it’s definitely just long form advertising for the most part. I guess I have the advantage of remembering a time when deposit bonuses were hugely profitable rather than the crap you get nowadays
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Jan 12, 2021 03:01
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Tsietisin posted:
I like this one. She's streaming blackjack right now, losing pretty bad, and sounds unimpressed. This content speaks to me
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Jan 12, 2021 03:22
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I followed the blackjack bonus whoring guides in this forum way back in 04-05 and easily got $1k profit with little risk. It was great fun. Do you think kids are actually watching this? I mean, if I was a kid I'd rather watch someone opening Pokemon packs or some chick body painting her tits.
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Jan 12, 2021 03:24
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Canuckistan posted:I followed the blackjack bonus whoring guides in this forum way back in 04-05 and easily got $1k profit with little risk. It was great fun. I mean, I used to be fascinated by the fruit machines down the pub when my folks took me there as a kid, but I can't necessarily imagine seeking out slot content with all of Twitch and YouTube out there
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Jan 12, 2021 03:48
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Sometimes if I need background noise I'll put on the RunItUp 24/7 stream which is rebroadcasts of all sorts of poker shows from the past.
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Jan 12, 2021 08:48
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I watched a lot of streams during the first few months of the pandemic to help fill the time, but it's fallen off a lot in the fall. It did introduce me to Crazy Time, and I'm sooooooooooooo happy we can't bet on it in the US because it feels like it was designed to appeal just to me and my bank account is thankful that it has been protected.
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Jan 12, 2021 18:29
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I do think a lot of twitch poker is really solid and worth watching. Triton Poker on youtube is also really solid, especially if you like short deck or deep stack action. The DNegs v Doug Polk grudge match streams have also been excellent.
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Jan 12, 2021 19:52
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Rosh lost 200k euros today on his stream. He went from a 400k balance and cashed out at 204k. Just unreal.
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Jan 12, 2021 21:41
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MY INEVITABLE DEBT posted:this shits kinda gross. these ppl are just shilling various gambling sites to a lot of children. it's not like "watch me havin fun gambling" it's like "watch a website pay me to spin reels to give you the illusion that you can win money" Yah, let's get some decent feeds in here but linking to dudes just promoting degeneracy does make my skin crawl. Unless you just wanna make fun of them... but they are getting paid a ton by the casinos, it's hard to even make fun of their losses cus it's fake.
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Jan 12, 2021 23:12
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Do poker streams count? Because I enjoy a lot of LexVeldhius, Danny Negreneau and the likes' streams
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Jan 13, 2021 01:16
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Baddog posted:Yah, let's get some decent feeds in here but linking to dudes just promoting degeneracy does make my skin crawl. Unless you just wanna make fun of them... but they are getting paid a ton by the casinos, it's hard to even make fun of their losses cus it's fake. I see the issues that these kind of streams could bring but we are all adults here on this forum. As long as these streams aren't targeting kids I don't see any exact issue with them. I don't want to derail this thread more than it has, but I think we'll figure this out on a case by case basis. If someone posts a stream or a streamer that is inviting kids to gamble then please report those posts and I or kalensc will decide. Or if you have more concerns please PM me. Fine: Poker Streams, Slot Machine Streams, Streams where you just watch a number wheel spin. Not Fine: A Paul brother telling kids to steal their parent's credit card to gamble on some lootbox site. AHH F/UGH posted:Do poker streams count? Because I enjoy a lot of LexVeldhius, Danny Negreneau and the likes' streams Yes post them if you like.
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Jan 13, 2021 01:34
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Daniel Negrenau, who streams fairly infrequently. https://twitch.tv/dnegspoker All-in Pavlov is a full time streamer and usually gets pretty deep runs: https://twitch.tv/allinpav And Lex Veldhuis, who is kind of the 'face' of online NLH right now and a very good and easy to watch commentator: https://twitch.tv/lexveldhuis
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Jan 13, 2021 03:46
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Also this isn't streams but the Triton Poker series on YouTube always has huge buyins and big names playing in it. https://www.youtube.com/c/TritonPoker/videos Super well-produced videos and commentary by Lex. Here's the latest one with all the big names https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbMF884mLI4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUIHvbcxLtI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IfC7Pje-urA AHH F/UGH fucked around with this message at 17:59 on Jan 14, 2021 |
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Jan 14, 2021 07:47
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Canuckistan posted:Rosh lost 200k euros today on his stream. He went from a 400k balance and cashed out at 204k. Just unreal. Hey I dont mean to backseat mod but its troubling to me to see this post after many people have confirmed he isn't playing with real money. I feel like you are getting sucked into exactly the false reality that he is trying to weave. A lot of that money wasn't his, he can get more, and he's making tons of money via twitch/merch/youtube/affiliate links at the same time he's "losing" money on screen. This isn't real content.
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Jan 14, 2021 16:58
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I'm not sure I agree with that. There's no doubt that he loses money gambling and the business side of the steam is where he makes his money. He confirms this on every stream every time someone asks. That said, he had a big win to get a big balance, and then lost 50% of that balance over the span of a single stream. That money he was playing with is real money that could have been cashed out at any time. I would guess that most name-brand professional poker players have sponsorships, deposit, and referral bonuses as well. I still find it fascinating watching these guys win or lose 20k cash pots. Canuckistan fucked around with this message at 17:12 on Jan 14, 2021 |
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Jan 14, 2021 17:09
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Canuckistan posted:
Yah this is true. Personally I thought most of it was just no-rake deals, which is very sweet for anyone good. But we found out on black Friday that plenty of them on FTP had been getting bought into tournaments (with our co-mingled deposits) or even getting "loans" (from our money). Most of those old school "name" players are absolutely terrible degenerate grifters.
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Jan 14, 2021 17:27
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I cannot think of anything more boring than playing slots, except maybe watching someone else play slots. What's the appeal? Vicarious money losing excitement?
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Jan 14, 2021 18:00
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AHH F/UGH posted:I cannot think of anything more boring than playing slots, except maybe watching someone else play slots. I watched a streamer play the star trek tng one because I was curious how it worked and no way am I spending any money on slots. I lost interest after about 5 minutes
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There is no doubt there is probably money being exchanged for him doing those kind of slot streams. Are those real wins/losses? I honestly don't know, but I don't think anyone else here is 100% certain one way or the other. He is probably getting a rakeback deal of some sort... Unless the stream is purposely saying that it's easy and you can win 100% of the time, I don't really see the issue in terms of it being entertainment. I don't enjoy watching people pull virtual slots, but obviously people find it entertaining and I don't think anyone in here actually seems to think it is anything else other than entertainment. WWE wrestling is "fake", but people find it really entertaining because of the people involved. Again, if you have concerns feel free to PM me but some stream that's pulling slots and getting paid to do that doesn't seem much different than a game streamer playing a game that someone paid them to play.
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The Polk v Negreaneu grudge match continues today here https://twitch.tv/upswingpoker I again super recommend it, the commentators are either hilarious or really knowledgable about HU NL
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Share Bear posted:The Polk v Negreaneu grudge match continues today here https://twitch.tv/upswingpoker Are people buying pieces of these guys? It's a common thing that people buy a % of big things like this?
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ilmucche posted:Are people buying pieces of these guys? It's a common thing that people buy a % of big things like this? they definitely both have people they can sell to, which yes is very common, but are also probably both capable of having 100% of themselves
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Share Bear posted:The Polk v Negreaneu grudge match continues today here https://twitch.tv/upswingpoker Joey Ingram streams are way more enjoyable https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJWnBng_XJs
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Tsietisin posted:So I don't tend to watch many live streams, but what I do watch are YouTube gambling videos. There are 4 main channels that I watch with any regularity. From a slots perspective I'd just toss in these two - MG Slots 21 High roller slots and blackjack. Pretty chill husband and wife duo and I like they're upfront about post winning and losing totals on sessions, not just the BIGGEST WIN ON SPARTACUS YOUTUBE CLICK HERE type. NG Slot Bit more clickbaity with the titles and only high roller slots unless I've missed a vid. But the guy is a lot more ... likable than most yt slot personalities? Seeing people excited about gambling is enjoyable for some reason and he gets hyped. edit: As for twitch, Roshstein, Xposed and Daskelele are the three I've watched with any regularity but yeah the partnership deals make them very sus even if they're alright people to watch. tetsuo fucked around with this message at 02:11 on Jan 19, 2021 |
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Jan 19, 2021 02:08
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Are there any good cash poker game focused streamers? Everyone I've watched seems to be completely for big tournaments and even the guys who do cash game streams only have one table on the go while they're playing other tournaments. I can't deal with the time pressure of tournaments, so I'd like to be able to see how cash games play out with good players.
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Jan 20, 2021 21:11
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wrt Roshtein's "loss" was it before or after he completed the 240k wager needed before he can cash out? Normally everything between him loading a bullet (iirc 2k that he gets comped 4x to 8k) and being able to withdraw after churning 240k is pure theatre which admittedly he is very good at
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Jan 21, 2021 21:11
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Doccykins posted:wrt Roshtein's "loss" was it before or after he completed the 240k wager needed before he can cash out? Normally everything between him loading a bullet (iirc 2k that he gets comped 4x to 8k) and being able to withdraw after churning 240k is pure theatre which admittedly he is very good at After the wager was done. It was pure raw cash that he lost. He's been pulling out larger cash-outs lately and the casinos have responded by increasing the wager to over 320k.
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Jan 22, 2021 02:35
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Watching Rosh hit 500k on fruit party was something out of a fever dream
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Jan 29, 2021 23:48
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Not sure if I mentioned this already but Brad Owen makes top-quality Holdem content https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZUywC9C0hY Very simple, very clear, quick pacing. I hate when vloggers spend 5 minutes analyzing a hand. Brad does it right.
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I follow Brad and find his content entertaining. Nice quick explanations of the thoughts going through his heads at the time of the hand. Maybe one day I can take home some Bradley dollars
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This guy, Mariano, is one of the guys who kind of apes off of Brad Owen's thing, but with way disastrous results https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zGfBYpzyyk People nicknamed him a long time ago "The calling station" and this video just exemplifies it.
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AHH F/UGH posted:This guy, Mariano, is one of the guys who kind of apes off of Brad Owen's thing, but with way disastrous results i watched a couple of his videos. they're well edited (but also so much of the same vein of an andrew neeme video). his voice could use less monotone. pretty boring to hear him talk. i don't know about calling station (who's calling him that?) in so much as he's, "mr missed value bet"... so many times he goes, "i have TPTK here but i check to see what the other people do" ???? ------ he also keeps saying that he has to consider that player X has seen him bluff. in the 3-4 videos i've watched i've never seen him decide to go for a bluff much less getting called and showing a bluff. i think its pretty bad bankroll management to jump to 10/20 when you were only at 5/10 a couple months ago, then when you get there, see the game is playing bigger because of straddles and decide, "sure why not"... i mean considering how nitty he plays you would think he'd be less inclined to do that.
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It’s a meme from his comment section. He’s got the “poker video edit with drone shots and low fi hip hop” but not the actual skills to play. It’s pretty hilarious. Maybe he’s independently wealthy or something? Also he does the thing that I like Brad Owen for NOT doing, which is that he dwells WAYYYYY too long on “what if?” situations and slows the pace of the videos down. Personal I don’t like Andrew Neeme’s “live recap talk after the hand while he looks into the camera”, it takes me out of the hand and I’d rather he just ADRed it at home and had a script or something.
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