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Nth Doctor
Sep 7, 2010

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Hey faithGoons!
Since we're doing reintroductions: I'm a protestant congregationalist pastor's kid who had a brush with conservative evangelicalism in middle school and now identifies as a primarily-but-not-exclusively-christocentric universalist.

My Dad was a second career preacher, so I experienced growing up in a church as a regular congregant and then high school and college I was The Pastor's Son which let me see the role both from the inside and the outside.

I mostly lurk but do follow the conversations and try to grok how we all approach and experience the divine in our lives. To lean on one of my favorite metaphors, I like to see the many lamps we have from which shines one light.

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Nth Doctor
Sep 7, 2010

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Tias posted:

That's cool. What do you recognize of deities besides Christ/G_d?

What a great question. So in my Congregationalist background, I found it helpful to to describe it using a contrast with more regimented and hierarchical denominations. Rather than a specific creed or listing of beliefs, Congregationalists instead mutually affirm one another's beliefs. I may percieve and discern the nature of God one way, while the person in the pew in front of me may have a completely different realization of the divine. Rather than debate over who may be right, we can accept that no matter our viewpoint, God isn't wrong and can support one another as we continue to learn and practice our beliefs.

I like to take that now a step further: I have no place standing between somone and their concept of divinity, of holiness, of guidance from Gods. There is no compulsory Church of Nth Doctor and I've also come to the conclusion that I myself am not a diety so I can't self appoint myself inquisitor. :-)

So with that being the case, then as respectfully as possible: I recognize dieties worshipped by others as the way that they best experience holiness, and try not to project my own view of God into their experiences, into their worship, and into their faith. I once likened the myriad ways we all experience our faith and interact with our dieties as different wrapping paper on the same gift. Later on, Hey Guns I believe it was said independently that it is the ritual that they find most important and I realized that the wrapping paper metaphor can trivialize that and diminish their beliefs.

I'm still looking for a better metaphor but put plainly: while I conceptualize a trinitarian God in the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit of mainline protestant Christianity, I do not and can not bar anyone else from having a different concept or set of concepts. I feel like I'm writing this really clunkily, and sincerely hope I'm not being disrespectful.

By popular demand posted:

The splittings and persecutions between religious sects who believe basically the same things are endlessly confounding to me.
That horse though is cool and that is plain to see.

The Narcissism of Small Differences is a good starting point.
Or for the sound and light experience https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3fAcxcxoZ8

Nth Doctor
Sep 7, 2010

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My friends, casseroles and hot dishes are nice but can't we all agree that the pies made by the littlest and oldest ladies are the best thing on the 1970’s era card table over by the coffee urn?

Nth Doctor
Sep 7, 2010

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Worthleast posted:

The smell of stale coffee fills the church of God.

It's a step up from the aroma of burnt offerings.

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Sep 7, 2010

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PantlessBadger posted:



Bit blurry, but that's what you get when trying to take pictures of silly hats, I guess.

That's a good silly hat.

Nth Doctor
Sep 7, 2010

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Great physician, heal our hearts.

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Sep 7, 2010

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Fritz the Horse posted:

Then I'd say NOOOO and the looks on kids faces are priceless. Varying mixtures of confused and indignant etc. "Science is not a belief system!" Then I'd talk for a bit about how science works.

edit: a couple of times I've noticed some of the teachers get an alarmed look for a few seconds. "wait why the gently caress did we invite this climate denialist??"

I love everything about this

Nth Doctor
Sep 7, 2010

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Fritz the Horse posted:

edit:

Also I am neither a mod nor an arbiter of what is/isn't acceptable in this thread.

No but you're the bestest horse in these here parts, and that counts for a lot.

Nth Doctor
Sep 7, 2010

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WrenP-Complete posted:

Hello new thread.

I'll reserve this space to write a longer introduction later, but I am a "super Jew." Like went to yeshiva, studied for orthodox ordination as a woman. I'm marrying my partner, a progressive rabbi, and I live with him and his father, an Orthodox rabbi. [More Jewy stuff goes here]

Nice to see you all again

I was literally just thinking about you and your beloved a minute before scrolling your post onto view! I can't recall: have you guys set a date yet or are you awaiting the after times?

Nth Doctor
Sep 7, 2010

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My ADHD is raging something fierce, and I'm sorry if I didn't read all of the conversation on Forgiveness so far well enough to pick up on everyone's nuance.

Forgiveness to me proves I'm not divine. Or at least proves to me I have a ways to go in following God's example.

As a Universalist, I do sincerely believe everyone is heavenward bound and seek best to work in the here-and-now to make our society more like what I believe the Kingdom of God to be. There are many about whom I very naturally think "that person's a bastard, gently caress them." and have to grapple with my own inability to forgive them vs. my belief that God has granted them grace. Grace I can't begin to understand, but am okay for now with not being able to do so.

I find it disquieting when I catch myself so angry at someone I've never met and find myself blind to the fact that they too are a creation of God. It's one of the big things I'm trying to work on

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Sep 7, 2010

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HopperUK posted:

Solidarity mate. I got diagnosed a few weeks ago and it's contextualised a lot about my life in general.

Welcome. I got my diagnosis about three years ago and it did the same. Within a year I got the promotion I had been working on for literal years.

Nth Doctor
Sep 7, 2010

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sb hermit posted:

This resonates with me a whole lot because it allows the victim to make peace with the fact that the wrong-doer will continue to do wrong. And attempting to guide or change the wrong-doer's agency simply via forgiveness can lead at the very least to frustration, if not somewhere worse.

What keeps rolling around in my head with this tweet is:
Having and expressing the capacity to forgive is about my character. Repeatedly harming is about theirs.

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Sep 7, 2010

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Night10194 posted:

I too deal with the ADHD, though my case is pretty mild and well-managed. It's the Generalized Anxiety Disorder that gives me trouble.

They tag team.

The depression for which I was in therapy for years? Primarily present thanks to the undiagnosed ADHD. Same with Mrs. Doctor's anxiety. She was so mad the therapist she had seen for years hadn't caught the ADHD that she found a new one over it.

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Sep 7, 2010

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White Coke posted:

My father is going in for surgery tomorrow to have a tumor removed from his remaining adrenal gland, please pray for him.

Greatest physician, guide his surgeon's hands.

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Sep 7, 2010

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Thirteen Orphans posted:

A coin set of the corpus of sigils from the Key of Solomon. I thought some folks in the thread might find them interesting.

It took me a minute to parse that this was kickstarter, and I thought these were medieval coins being sold for over $45k. "Huh, a bit cavalier to have these just knocking around in a velvet bag if they're this valuable"

Literacy is hard today. I only know the season because of what color the banners in the church are dontchaknow.

Nth Doctor
Sep 7, 2010

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Greatest healer, lay your hands on Pershing as to heal their body. So too lay your hands upon Emily, as to heal her heart. Let the memory of Mary be a blessing to all she knew, and welcome her into what lies beyond.

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Sep 7, 2010

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zonohedron posted:

HEY GUNS and I have been insisting for at least four iterations of this thread that ritual isn't the seasoning you sprinkle on top of your religious life (where some people like more and some people like less and some people just leave it off) but is instead absolutely central to it

HEY GUNS' stating the centrality of ritual to his faith actually caused me to reconsider and discard a metaphor I'd been using for ecumenism that I'm sure came off as incredibly hurtful.

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Sep 7, 2010

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TOOT BOOT posted:

I was actually involved in a related discussion on Facebook today, about whether there's such a thing as unforgivable sin. I used the example of Judas and pointed out that one of the gospels says Judas repented, and it's within what we know of Jesus's character to believe that he would forgive Judas. Does this mean Judas is in heaven, or is what he did unforgivable despite repentence?

Grappling with whether Judas would be condemned to hell for his role in salvation sent me on my path to universalism.

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Sep 7, 2010

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Bilirubin posted:

*hauls out thick doctrinal book, blows dust off of it*

OK, let's see where you might fall out. Question #1: The Holy Trinity. Are you for or against this

So Question #2 is whether Christ was born a man and granted Godhood or was right from the get-go, right?

Please answer in essay form and show your work.

Nth Doctor
Sep 7, 2010

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WrenP-Complete posted:

We just taught the high schoolers a mishnah that has the opinion that in order to get rid of leavened bread before Passover you can throw it into the ocean. (It's halachically legal and such a thrill!).

This is amazing.

Nth Doctor
Sep 7, 2010

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Please pray for my grandfather, Hal (son of Hope and Southard). My mom just got the call from his hospice nurse and then one from his social worker that while he isn't transitioning yet, it isn't far off.

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Sep 7, 2010

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So I feel very fortunate. While my Grandfather's care team don't see him as getting better, neither has he begun "transitioning" as my parents put it. I was able to speak to him and his wife tonight. He's still lucid, and cheerful though he couldn't recall Mrs. Doctor's name. I was able to have my kids say hello and tell him that they loved him.


Death and dying stuff.
My father's stepfather, my other grandfather essentially, went into the hospital after a fall last March, tested positive for COVID, developed a UTI, and then passed away on Easter morning last year. I never got a chance to say goodbye to him, let alone my kids. Because of all of the lockdown stresses and such, we didn't even tell them anything until after he had passed.

A UTI is also what happened here, and so in a lot of ways this feels like history echoing. I'm thankful that I was able to call and have a conversation. I'm not sure how many more I'll get.

Nth Doctor
Sep 7, 2010

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Christ is risen indeed!

I can never get over how many times John repeats that he won the footrace to the tomb.

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Sep 7, 2010

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zonohedron posted:

Because he was younger and faster, not like the old creaky fisherman Peter (who was probably only three or four years older, but details), and yet he was polite enough to wait, look at all his majesty politeness...

He waited for slow Peter, of course, because he got there first. By being faster.

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Sep 7, 2010

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BattyKiara posted:

Here is my favourite Easter Poem. Some of you will NOT like it, but I absolutely love it:

It was on a Friday morning that they took me from the cell
and I saw they had a carpenter to crucify as well.
You can blame it on to Pilate, you can blame it on the Jews,
You can blame it on the Devil, it’s God I accuse.

You can blame it on to Adam, you can blame it on to Eve,
You can blame it on the apple, but that I can’t believe
It was God that made the Devil and the woman and the man,
And there wouldn’t be an apple if it wasn’t in the plan.

Now Barabbas was a killer and they let Barabbas go.
But you are being crucified for nothing that I know
But your God is up in heaven and He doesn’t do a thing
With a million angels watching, and they never move a wing.

It’s God they ought to crucify instead of you and me
I said to the carpenter, a-hanging on the tree.

To hell with Jehovah, to the carpenter I said.
I wish that a carpenter had made the world instead.
Goodbye and good luck to you, our ways will soon divide,
Remember me in heaven, as the man you hung beside
Beautiful and haunting.

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Sep 7, 2010

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Captain von Trapp posted:

Oh, I love that one. I think "Low in the Grave He Lay" is probably the definitive classic Baptist Easter hymn, and I love it too:

Any Hymn with harmony that allows me to Bass the heck out of it is a Good Hymn.

Nth Doctor
Sep 7, 2010

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My Grandfather left this life behind this morning. Ever the gentleman, he waited until my mother had left the room to go get coffee.

His last words were his musical cadence of "and I love you" in response to my mom. His pain is over and while I'll miss him, I'm glad he is at rest.

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Nth Doctor
Sep 7, 2010

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Lutha Mahtin posted:

martina luther would have written an entire book raging about the damnable curse of menses

That may be how it was pronounced in the Middle Earth years of the early 16th Century but nowadays wouldn't it be better as "the damnable curse of men"?

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