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Zaroff posted:And rather than being an actual new novel, it's a collection of the opening chapters of the new novels coming out next month. Aww, that's a swizz.
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OldMemes posted:Oh boy, if you're not familiar with the sheer batshit insanity of the Eighth Doctor Adventures, here's a tl;dr version. Somewhere in all of this too, the Third Doctor gets shot and killed, despite all the subsequent regenerations still existing.
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Narsham posted:Liz was the best; should have had several more seasons with her. Barbara is awesome, but at least she gets to pull off her awesomeness in sweaters; Liz gets to deliver this line in a mini-skirt and impractical boots. Liz seriously ruled. She felt like a modern companion, almost
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Sydney Bottocks posted:Somewhere in all of this too, the Third Doctor gets shot and killed, despite all the subsequent regenerations still existing. From what can be pieced together, it seems that there wasn't massive amounts of communication between the editors and writers, and the odd narrative structure of the EDAs, where some are massively important to the story, some are just standalone standard Doctor Who adventures, and some are standard adventures, but with some foreshadowing or plot threads that will become relevant later, and it gets more complex when the crystal Doctors start having an effect on the Past Doctor Adventures. That, and so many things are left half explained or outright unresolved. There's some pretty good work there, but its less confusing to consider Big Finish the canon 8th Doctor adventures. Plus, better companions: Charley, Molly and Liv are all top tier companion characters.
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I've been thinking about starting to collect the Big Finish monthly stories do I need to collect them chronologically or can I pick and choose the ones I find most interesting first?
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bessantj posted:I've been thinking about starting to collect the Big Finish monthly stories do I need to collect them chronologically or can I pick and choose the ones I find most interesting first? Chronologically in terms of release, or in terms of where it fits in the Doctor's timeline?
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bessantj posted:I've been thinking about starting to collect the Big Finish monthly stories do I need to collect them chronologically or can I pick and choose the ones I find most interesting first? You can pick and choose the ones that seem interesting, which is how I did it (before going mad and deciding to go back and fill in the gaps) - they're almost entirely standalone, there are some callbacks (or forwards) here and there but nothing that will make a story incomprehensible to you.
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Edward Mass posted:Chronologically in terms of release, or in terms of where it fits in the Doctor's timeline? In terms of release. So The Sirens of Time, then Phantasmagoria, then Whispers of Terror and so on. Jerusalem posted:You can pick and choose the ones that seem interesting, which is how I did it (before going mad and deciding to go back and fill in the gaps) - they're almost entirely standalone, there are some callbacks (or forwards) here and there but nothing that will make a story incomprehensible to you. Thanks. I should imagine I will also go back and fill in the gaps if I like them enough.
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I always argue that people should never avoid anything and come to their own decisions about whether something is poo poo or good etc. With that said. Do NOT buy/listen to Nekromanteia. Jerusalem posted:I rarely suggest anybody avoid listening to a story because I always feel everybody should watch/listen to shows and decide for themselves... but I can only give my highest recommendation that you forget this story exists and don't ever put yourself through the misfortune of having to listen to it. It's a bad story. It's bad.
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Jerusalem posted:I always argue that people should never avoid anything and come to their own decisions about whether something is poo poo or good etc. In the past I would have been intrigued with this and have to listen to it just to see how bad it is, but after looking up some reviews of it I think I'll give that one a miss.
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Allegedly after they made it, Peter Davison told Big Finish he NEVER wanted the writer to do anything for them ever again. It really is that bad.
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Oh, surely it can't be all that bad, after all it's a story with Peri in it--Doctor Who Reviews dot net posted:After accepting that both the Doctor and Erimem are dead, she is very forcibly captured, drugged, and stripped by the Witches, forced to watch a man have his tongue and heart excised. 
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Sydney Bottocks posted:Oh, surely it can't be all that bad, after all it's a story with Peri in it-- Have you gotten to the part about the attempted rape of Erimem?
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There's all kinds of utterly repugnant sexualization in there, including a cliffhanger of (content warning for sexual violence) one of the companions being in danger of being raped. "Luckily" we discover several minutes into the next episode that she wasn't raped, "just" brutally beaten for fighting back when he tried to rape her. Also the would-be rapist ends up getting the "happy ending" of the story by being promoted in spite of the explicit text of the story being that this was literally impossible to happen to him in his fascist society. I'm not putting that poo poo behind spoiler tags for the sake of preserving the story, but because some people might not particularly want to read the finer details of the awful poo poo that happens in that story. The only spoiler would be if any of you were unfortunate enough to listen to it. It's dogshit, the absolute worst Big Finish audio I have ever had the misfortune to hear.
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Davros1 posted:Have you gotten to the part about the attempted rape of Erimem? In the review I read, yes, because no fuckin' way am I buying that audio. I will override my "completionist" mindset on that one.
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usenet celeb 1992 posted:I'm trying to make sense of this but my brain won't let me I've always said the same about Faction Paradox. 
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Man, everyone talks about Nekromanteia -- which, in addition to all of the above, is literally the plot to Caves of Androzani told badly -- but no-one talks about Black And White. At one point, Ace hides from some Vikings under a table. One of them, Beowulf, discovers her hiding there, and assumes that she's there to blow him. He gets aggressive, and she fends him off in an action sequence. Later on she describes him "not a bad bloke, really". What does she consider "bad"? OldMemes posted:A new group is trying to take the Time Lord's place in a chaotic, unordered timeline, clearing out the time vortex of life, and killing old companions so that they can trim alternative universes and eat the lack of choices. It turns out they're crystal skeletons who look like the Doctor, and one travels to 1963 and becomes the First Doctor or something. This is never explained. Then it turns out K-9 was plastered behind a wall in the TARDIS all along by Romana, and reveals that the Doctor has the contents of the matrix in his head, and can restore Gallifrey and then something to do with the Doctor's father or something, then the novels end on an unresolved cliffhanger. I think you're being a bit glib. The novel series isn't unresolved -- and they certainly don't end on a cliffhanger! The novel ends with the Doctor about to get his memories back and restore Gallifrey; we just don't see those events depicted on the page. But it's pretty obvious what happens next, and no-one's in danger. All the other continuity problems are resolved. e.g. to address your concern about The Council Of Eight -- the crystal people for anyone reading along -- that ending where one of them "becomes" the Doctor comes about out of the time line's need to be stabilised. The destruction of Gallifrey in The Ancestor Cell was retroactive; the planet was destroyed in such a way that not only did it no longer exist, it never existed in the first place. This, plus the following power vacuum, destabilised the timeline, and the in-universe retcon of the Doctor's origins was the last step required to cement the universe's stable existence. This of course only lasts until Gallifrey is restored in The Gallifrey Chronicles, whereupon the universe is restored. All of this means that it'd be impossible for the Eighth Doctor to mention any companion other than Sam in Night of The Doctor -- and since she's mentioned in Minuet In Hell AND Absent Friends, it's not like she's been decanonised by BF. Open Source Idiom fucked around with this message at 07:23 on Feb 11, 2021 |
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Well, I've heard about at least one story I definitely shouldn't buy, but what are the ones I should buy? Especially from the first 100?
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bessantj posted:Well, I've heard about at least one story I definitely shouldn't buy, but what are the ones I should buy? Especially from the first 100? From the first 100 - The Fearmonger feels like Sylv and Sophie Aldred have just walked off the ser of Survival The Fires of Vulcan is a decent historical that shows Bonnie Langford can do more than scream like they made her do on the telly The Marian Conspiracy introduced a brilliant new companion for the Sixth Doctor who then goes on to appear in further stories with him Spare Parts is a stone cold classic, a top story for the series regardless of medium The McGann stories up til like #50 are a solid run of Doctor Who with McGann with a few ups and downs. After that is contentious #58 is a really good Seventh Doctor story that has a novel premise for a returning baddy only to be like "haha, jk lol, just doing our usual" in the last episode I know you asked for good ones but #60 is another "avoid this" one unless you wanna hear the Doctor fawn over grave digging murderers Honestly apart from the rough post-#50 era for McGann there's really very few that aren't worth the few bucks they currently cost to listen to if youre interested in the Doctors featured
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OldMemes posted:Oh boy, if you're not familiar with the sheer batshit insanity of the Eighth Doctor Adventures, here's a tl;dr version.
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bessantj posted:Well, I've heard about at least one story I definitely shouldn't buy, but what are the ones I should buy? Especially from the first 100? My personal choices would be: The Fifth Doctor 24. The Eye of the Scorpion 34. Spare Parts 81. The Kingmaker (first half is a little dull but the back half is bonkers batshit insane in the best way) The Sixth Doctor 6. The Marian Conspiracy 40. Jubilee 90. Year of the Pig (a personal favorite) The Seventh Doctor 5. The Fearmonger (this feels EXACTLY like the final year of Sylvester McCoy's run on television) 25. Colditz (with David Tennant!) 85. Red (Red! RED! RRRRRED! RRRRRRRRRRRRRREEDDDDD!) The Eighth Doctor 29. The Chimes of Midnight 33. Neverland (though it's the culmination of an "arc" running through most of the 8th Doctor's run, and the follow-up Zagreus is sadly not very good) 52. Scherzo (a goddamn masterpiece) 88. Memory Lane
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Yoo, maybe don't start with Colditz. It has a really, really good twist and some fantastic guest stars, but it's got some of the worst sound design in the range. My recommendations: Fifth Doctor Spare Parts - loving brilliant. Emotional, funny, gross and upsetting. Some of the best design ever for BF. Omega - fantastic plot, funny, and a clever take on the character. Son Of The Dragon - Fantastic story for Erimem, an audio original companion, and the climax of a character arc that had been building for several years. (The other stories are pretty good too.) Circular Time - romantic and swoony, but the best episode is Autumn, which is essentially a David Warner tribute album. Sixth Doctor ...ish - so loving clever, with a great handle on tone. Stars an threatening version of the Book from Hitchikers Guide To The Galaxy. Davros - best take on the character, reimagining Davros and the Sixth Doctor as duelling silicon valley entrepreneurs. Generally considered the definitive take on the character. ...and the Pirates - funny, with a very clever format breaking episode. Jubilee - the basis for Robert Shearman's episode Dalek. Arrangements For War - romeo and juliet, but played as a political drama, with a very sweet companion romance. Seventh Doctor Project Lazarus - the best multi-Doctor crossover story. Sequel to a decent story, which should be heard to appreciate this, and an essential arc story for the arc that weaves through the first 100 stories. Night Thoughts - the scariest Doctor Who story. Theatrical and weird, with an ambiguous plot that leaves you wondering. The Settling - The Seventh Doctor tries to deliver a baby during a civil war. It's the single best image associated with his character. Valhalla - A satire of the job market. A rare straight performance from Michelle Gomez. Eighth Doctor The Chimes Of Midnight - one of the best things written in Who. The Natural History Of Fear - don't spoil the concept, go in blind. Upsetting. The Last - a serious arc story, but the incidental story stars one of the best ever Doctor Who villains. Caerdroia - don't spoil the concept, go in blind. Charming. Terror Firma - a big arc story, with some gorgeous spooky sound design. The other definitive Davros story, and for years it was considered his definitive final story. (It still is, technically.) Like many others in this list, you do need to have heard some of the other Eighth Doctor stories to fully appreciate it, though.
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Remember that a big chunk of Big Finish's earlier stuff is on Spotify!
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Man reading all this really hammers home how good early to mid period BF really was, because y'all are listing absolute bangers right now
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Barry Foster posted:Man reading all this really hammers home how good early to mid period BF really was, because y'all are listing absolute bangers right now I'm making my way through the last War Doctor set now, and I've got the Two Masters Trilogy, The Girl Who Never Was, and two 6/Dalek stories on my backlog. Big Finish are fairly good with the sales if you're willing to wait a bit, but it is basically luck if something you want is on sale.
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Keep checking the BF website every Monday. They offer a free download from one of their ranges every week. Last week it was an Avengers story. This week it's a Second Doctor Companion Chronicle. They also offer sales that tie in with the freebie. This week it's Second Doctor stories. https://www.bigfinish.com/collections/v/weekly-deals A while ago they offered the very first Who release, The Sirens of Time, for free. Couple of months ago, it was the very first Benny story offered for free. They also often offer the first ep of a Who story for free if you want to give a story a shot. Here's links to the DWM freebies (complete 1/2 hour stories) that cost nothing: Last of the Titans starring Syl: https://www.bigfinish.com/releases/v/doctor-who-last-of-the-titans-1439 The Ratings War starring Colin: https://www.bigfinish.com/releases/v/doctor-who-the-ratings-war-1113 No Place like Home starring Peter: https://www.bigfinish.com/releases/v/doctor-who-no-place-like-home-1115 Living Legend starring Paul: https://www.bigfinish.com/releases/v/doctor-who-living-legend-the-making-of-zagreus-1114 Plus UNIT: The Coup starring Nick Courtney as the Brig: https://www.bigfinish.com/releases/v/unit-the-coup-405 Here's the page to everything that they offer for free: https://www.bigfinish.com/collections/v/big-finish-for-free Davros1 fucked around with this message at 15:30 on Feb 11, 2021 |
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Oh wow, a new River Song book. WRITTEN BY RIVER HERSELF?!! https://twitter.com/bbcdoctorwho/status/1359894972334411777?s=20 https://twitter.com/bbcdoctorwho/status/1359898755743567877?s=20 Davros1 fucked around with this message at 17:37 on Feb 11, 2021 |
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Thank you for all the recommendations everyone.
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Heh. The last choice https://twitter.com/bigfinish/status/1360335231497166856?s=20
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Davros1 posted:Heh. The last choice I'd missed the news about the new early adventures. I'm kinda whatever about a direct DIOE sequel, feel like we got enough of the implication of the aftermath when Susan was in the EDAs, but I'm glad for another Carole Ann Ford story at least and maybe they'll do something neat with it. Recasting Dodo is interesting. Maybe interesting is too strong a word? More like "not something I figured they'd ever bother to do." I don't really have strong feelings about the character one way or the other, she was there, she was fine or whatever, and then she was gone. I am completely baffled by the weird vindictive streak the Virgin novels authors seemed to have against her
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Even the BBC Books add in the detail that Dodo blundered into the TARDIS because she was looking for a police officer after escaping a sexual assault attempt, so yeah, spin-off media hates Dodo for some reason. I've finished the War Doctor boxsets, and the Enigma Dimension was a nice ending - it's fun when they take advantage of the audio format to go a little out there, and Leela was an interesting element to add in. Has any companion had such a big character arc as Leela? She went from savage to inter-dimensional diplomat. The behind the scenes bit with Briggs saying how he's hoping to work with John Hurt again though 
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Another sad thing (beyond the obvious biggest one being John Hurt's death) is that it felt like they had finally really nailed down the War Doctor's characterization, with his final line ("I may be the worst of them all" or words to that effect) hitting really hard. On the plus side, it leaves the listener to fill in the blanks pretty effectively between that last story and The Day of the Doctor, but man it would have been great to have heard more with him building on where they left things.
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In the DWM tribute issue to John, BF revealed that he had signed on to do four more boxsets before he passed away. 
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Davros1 posted:In the DWM tribute issue to John, BF revealed that he had signed on to do four more boxsets before he passed away. I think that was mentioned in a behind the scenes on something too. Such a shame to lose a Doctor in the midst of them gleefully reprising the role. And now it kinda tracks why Tom records his box sets YEEEEEEARS in advance and they have up through like season 15 of 4DAs in the can
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Doesn't the novel Engines of War take place right before The Day of The Doctor? I haven't read it. The reoccurring theme of the War Doctor really, really wanting to just be 'The Doctor'' again and go back to his old life is really well handled. In 'Only the Monstrous', you can tell he wants to just go off and have adventures in time and space with Rejoice, but he can't because of the war. Pretty Lies ends with a pretty classic Doctor Who ending, with the Doctor outsmarting the bad guys with clever trickery and reworking the odds to help a base under siege, then as soon as he goes they simply return and blow up the planet out of spite. There's a sense of tragedy throughout the series - Leela having her mind fried and not knowing which of her possible timelines are her actual memories was pretty grim, especially when she's told that her memories of having children aren't from her timeline, and Romana is (probably) gone. Hurt and Jameson hit it hard in that one. I do wish they'd leaned into horror a bit more - the second boxset showed off the rather horrifying existential dangers of fighting a time war, where normal rules are collapsing, really effectively.
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