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Edward Mass
Sep 14, 2011

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Doctor Who is a long-running British television programme about a time-travelling alien, alias 'the Doctor', who goes around solving problems in time and space. There are good times and there are bad times to be a fan of Doctor Who. We're not in a good time.

When Jodie Whittaker was announced to be the 13th Doctor, there was much rejoice over the casting of a woman. The issue many people forgot was that Chris Chibnall was the new showrunner. During his run, all the goodwill Whittaker's casting gained has evaporated after episodes that range from 'inoffensive' to 'offensive' aired. Now, with an even smaller season (due to the COVID-19 pandemic, not ineptitude), there are rumors that we may move on to a 14th Doctor after next season. Again, Doctor Who isn't going anywhere (thanks to foreign sales of future seasons), but there are an abundance of problems with the show going forward. Oh, and we're getting a new companion named Dan next season.

The previous thread can be found here. Now for the formalities.

NO SPOILERS gently caress it, I don't know what we do about spoilers now
We have a designated spoiler thread, but under Chibnall the amount of spoilers have dried like the lake in that one episode. Use your best judgement. Episode titles can be spoiler-y, so use discretion when discussing episodes yet to air. For example, 'Hide' doesn't spoil anything, but 'OH poo poo IT'S THE DALEKS' does.

WHERE DO I START?
The Woman Who Fell to Earth is a good starting point, as the current Doctor makes her first starring appearance there. This is not to discount Doctors 9-12, but so far their stories have not made a major point in the tenure of Whittaker's Doctor. If you want to watch the original series, there are plenty of places to start. You COULD start with An Unearthly Child and watch everything in chronological order. You could also watch individual serials of all the Doctors and determine which you like the best. Keep in mind, don't shotgun a whole Hartnell or Troughton in one go, or else you'll get complacent. Those 60's episodes are meant to be seen one at a time, and if you only just rented the DVD, wait a few hours between episodes.

The most popular serials for the original series you can jump into are:

First Doctor: An Unearthly Child, The Aztecs
Second Doctor: The Tomb of the Cybermen, The Enemy of the World
Third Doctor: Spearhead from Space, Carnival of Monsters
Fourth Doctor: Pyramids of Mars, The Robots of Death
Fifth Doctor: Kinda, Frontios
Sixth Doctor: Vengeance on Varos, Revelation of the Daleks
Seventh Doctor: Dragonfire, Remembrance of the Daleks

WHERE CAN I WATCH DOCTOR WHO?
BritBox is the place to watch almost every episode of the original series. In addition, you're in luck if you're an American, as you can watch the original run of Doctor Who on honest-to-goodness TV (Retro TV and some PBS stations)!

For the current run:

ON TELEVISION
UK - BBC One (first run), W
USA - BBC America (first run), most PBS stations
Canada - CTV Sci-Fi
Australia - ABC (first run), ABC ME, Syfy

STREAMING
UK - Sky Go, BBC iPlayer
USA - HBO Max
Canada - Crave
Australia - BritBox, Stan

SHOULD I BUY THE DVDs AND BLU-RAYs?
Just for the bonus features alone.

THE ALL-NEW GUIDE TO BIG FINISH
There are literally THOUSANDS of Doctor Who and Doctor Who-related audio dramas released by Big Finish Productions. In previous threads, I would pour over all the individual lines and describe them. With the great restructure of Big Finish lines, though, I have to adapt. So, here are some bullet points:

-Doctors 1-12 have their own individual lines now, although obviously the first three Doctors are not played by Hartnell, Troughton, and Pertwee. Here's a handy guide: if it's current series Doctor Who, "Adventures" means it's the actual actors, while "Chronicles" means it's not.
-The Companion Chronicles & the Early Adventures generally do not feature the Doctor, and some of them are essentially audiobooks with sound effects. Check the cast list if you want to know which is which.
-If you have ever asked "what about <random character x>?", boy are you in luck! There are so many spin-offs featuring characters both familiar and unfamiliar that you can't swing a dead cat without hitting a series that makes you say "THEY got a box set?" Some are good, some are bad, most are unremarkable.
-Everyone has a taste, so don't rely on other people's opinions. For example, I don't care for or about the Charlotte Pollard, but some people do! Some crazy people enjoy the story Nekromanteia - you do you!

THE DISCORD
Here it is. The future is now!

FINALLY, let's take a look back....all the way to ten years ago! Discussion about Victory of the Daleks was steering into the Doctor acting chummy to Winston Churchill.

Payndz posted:

Pertwee's Doctor was friendly with Napoleon, and Chairman loving Mao - during the Cultural Revolution.

To wit:

Chairman Mao posted:

Wonderful chap, all of them. :)

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Edward Mass
Sep 14, 2011

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Lyons wrote the Witch Hunters, not the Witchfinders, which was an actual episode.

Edward Mass
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Big Mean Jerk posted:

On the one hand I applaud the attempt at doing his own thing without leaning on past success, but on the other hand... it’s uh definitely okay to lean a little, Chibs!

Especially when a lot of your new blood writers have just turned in kinda bland scripts with no character.

Doubly especially when you end up writing 50% of everything.

Edward Mass
Sep 14, 2011

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The reason the Doctor doesn’t go back to the far past is because that story happened. It’s hard to imagine another Doctor Who story involving cavemen without people saying “wait a minute, this is just An Unearthly Child!”

Edward Mass
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What about the Virgin Missing Adventures, huh? You thought about those?

Edward Mass
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bessantj posted:

I've been thinking about starting to collect the Big Finish monthly stories do I need to collect them chronologically or can I pick and choose the ones I find most interesting first?

Chronologically in terms of release, or in terms of where it fits in the Doctor's timeline?

Edward Mass
Sep 14, 2011

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Every so often I remember that Queen Elizabeth II is still ruling England, and I’m amazed that it’s been that way since the events of M*A*S*H.

Edward Mass
Sep 14, 2011

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That was the big reveal of Miracle Day.

Edward Mass
Sep 14, 2011

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Eccleston looks like he could be in a Hammer horror movie with that beard.

Edward Mass
Sep 14, 2011

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You're obviously forgetting the PM being offed in the Slitheen two-parter.

Edward Mass
Sep 14, 2011

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I'm pretty sure in the Cybermen two-parter from Tennant's first season that the Doctor mentions that there are no parallel versions of him in parallel universes.

Edward Mass
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Harlock posted:

I'm sure it would make for a fun comic or audio to have whomever is the Doctor in the parallel universe Age of Steel reality deal with the Metacrisis Doctor showing up out of nowhere.

There's no reason to think one doesn't exist since the show has a parallel Mickey and Jackie.

That's because they're human, not Time Lord.

Edward Mass
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Let me tell you of a man who thinks like that. Sure, he wrote some Doctor Who, and while it didn't blow anyone away, it wasn't terrible. Then he got a chance to run the show, and he said "I have a story to tell, and drat over 55 years of continuity!" That's how we got the Timeless Children.

Edward Mass
Sep 14, 2011

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Bless you, Forktoss.

Edward Mass
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OldMemes posted:

Thank goodness the producers turned down Patrick Troughton's suggestion that he wanted to play the Second Doctor in blackface and a turban (!). It would have taken the fun out of the character entirely.

The Enemy of the World, but it's the Doctor matching wits with Justin Trudeau.

Edward Mass
Sep 14, 2011

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Skaro year 10963: Daleks develop gravity-variance weapon

Earth year 1976:

Edward Mass
Sep 14, 2011

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happyhippy posted:

Maybe I missed it in the thread, but where is the '6b' theory coming from for Ruthdoc?

Considering she has a TARDIS stuck as a phonebox, it’s the only period of time that works without going stupid.

Edward Mass
Sep 14, 2011

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Well, that’s why the Doctor is a rebel - Time Lord life isn’t for them, which is why the First Doctor stole the TARDIS in the first place.

Edward Mass
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Mameluke posted:

Pretty much that and the Witchfinders, which was a lost RTD-era historical

The Witchfinders was pretty good until the witches showed up. After that it did a speedrun to the finish.

Edward Mass
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Zaroff posted:

I’ve not seen Spyfall since broadcast, but I didn’t think the Doctor mentioned his colour when leaving him for the Nazis to find. It’s very tone deaf to leave him and something they should have reconsidered after Dhawan was cast, but I didn’t think it was intentionally weaponised.

With this, and the whole making fun of Tzim’Sha’s name, it’s like Chibnall wants to give the image of being woke (female Doctor! Companions of different races!), but deep down he’s not as thoughtful as he appears to be.

Joss Chibnall

Edward Mass
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Narsham posted:

But he first did extensive research by watching The Two Doctors fifty or sixty times.

I don't know how this is possible!

Edward Mass
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I'd bring back the humorous political satire, as opposed to the biting political satire we've had since RTD.

Edward Mass
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I probably saw the whole of the original run of Red Dwarf in about a year thanks to KLRU playing back-to-back episodes every Saturday in 1998.

Edward Mass
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OldMemes posted:

Oh yes, that's it! I do have The Beginning set, so I remember those.
With BBC 4 becoming an archive/repeats channel, I'm not sure why they don't re-run some classic serials on there. It's like how the audio plays are only very, very rarely run on Radio 4.

That's what W is for.

Edward Mass
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That's certainly a teaser! In that it shows nothing, really.

Edward Mass
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If reports are correct, Vinder is NOT a companion.

Edward Mass
Sep 14, 2011

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I don't think anyone holds anything personal against Chibnall - it's just that he's not doing a good job running a TV show that we have enjoyed.

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Rhyno posted:

Psh, what a waste.



the Dale's were created by Davros


and they have a plan...


Have you SEEN For All Mankind? It's very good. Of course, it doesn't matter anyway, he just signed a deal with Disney's 20th Television to develop.

If we have to sacrifice Whittaker to save Doctor Who, so be it. I'd rather have a new showrunner with a molecule of ability to...run a show...then have her Doctor stay an extra year waiting for Chibnall to improve.

Edward Mass
Sep 14, 2011

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Think about this - when Chibnall leaves the show, he will have been showrunner for Doctor Who as long as RTD had been.

Edward Mass
Sep 14, 2011

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I'm less concerned about casting the Fourteenth Doctor right now and more interested in hiring a showrunner who will average more than 5.8 new episodes of Doctor Who per calendar year. Ideally, double that!

Edward Mass
Sep 14, 2011

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I remember listening to an episode of Radio Free Skaro from, like, 2014, and one of the hosts mentions that he’d prefer a female showrunner come before a female Doctor, and I think we now know why!

Edward Mass
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In my opinion, the TARDIS should be called the S.S. More Powerful than Superman, Batman, Spider-Man, and the Incredible Hulk Combined

Edward Mass
Sep 14, 2011

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Doctor Who is never debuting new episodes outside of BBC One on a weekly basis.

Edward Mass
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Will it include Shada('s animated recon)?

Edward Mass
Sep 14, 2011

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I'm trying to think of a "phucking" joke, but I can't come up with one.

Edward Mass
Sep 14, 2011

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Hopefully whomever is chosen to show-run Doctor Who after Chibnall leaves can convince Eccleston to do a 60th Anniversary special. Hell, hire Joe Ahearne to direct and sweeten the deal.

Edward Mass
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My guess? All the scenes with the Chumblies are super-cheap to animate.

Edward Mass
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It’s also the stupidest title for an episode.

Edward Mass
Sep 14, 2011

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Well, then. Everything old is new again.

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Edward Mass
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I mean, Amy didn’t know she was going to be a mother until LITERALLY the end of the Ganger two-parter. Plus, Let’s Kill Hitler takes place after a time-skip of a few months.

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