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This was on the original IT box Spot the difference game. Such a simple technique, as I would cross my eyes to overlap the pictures and see the differences almost immediately. The biggest problem was the final rounds where there was maybe 2-3 seconds to find all 5 differences. I found out however that I could spend the first two seconds looking then once I pressed the first difference, as long as I pressed the next difference before the game had finished circling the first, it didn't matter if time had run out. So the trick was to find all 5 differences, then at the last moment start pressing them in order. There was only about 20 pictures and probably 10 potential differences between them so over time I knew where to look. The game was £1 a go with a £20 top prize. I would empty the machine leaving money owing after about 20 minutes. They since changed the game so that the pictures are a slight angle to each other, so you cannot do the overlapping thing anymore.
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It's a shame to me that smartphones have meant lots of places have ditches pub quiz machines, used to love wasting all my money on them after a few drinks. I guess they just hemorrhage money now people can look up the answers in 5 secs
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Tsietisin posted:
This is awesome, I wish the US had skill-type machines. You'd think with the supposed concern being enabling vice and gambling addiction, skill games would be all we would have.
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ThomasPaine posted:It's a shame to me that smartphones have meant lots of places have ditches pub quiz machines, used to love wasting all my money on them after a few drinks. I guess they just hemorrhage money now people can look up the answers in 5 secs Each round is 10 questions and if you can't leave your phone alone for 15 minutes going to the pub might not be for you.
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Collateral Damage posted:One of the pubs I go to has you put your phone on the table while playing and the quiz leader keeps an eye on everyone. Touch your phone and your team is out. Oh yeah actual team quizzes are still there but I mean the little machines you used to be able to play millionaire etc on for cash prizes
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May 25, 2021 17:43
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Oh. I don't think I've seen them here, but yeah I can see why they're declining.
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Strong Sauce posted:good stories laserface. also this whole time reading i thought pokies, poker machines, were like video poker machines. but apparently its just australian for slot machines? TIL. Here in New Zealand return to player is 87% minimum from slots aka pokies
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Tsietisin posted:This was on the original IT box Spot the difference game. I never got as good as you but that game paid for a lot of rounds at my student union
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My casino went mask optional & guests about 75/25 unmasked/masked. employees about the same people keep stopping me to tell me to take the mask off I'm having trouble not being cold/avoidant to unmasked guests & coworkers, even ones I consider 'workbuddies' LemonLimeSoda fucked around with this message at 04:08 on May 30, 2021 |
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LemonLimeSoda posted:My casino went mask optional & guests about 75/25 unmasked/masked. employees about the same We just took our shields down and are lifting the mask mandate in a few weeks. I'm not excited.
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TheJunkyardGod posted:We just took our shields down and are lifting the mask mandate in a few weeks. I'm not excited. Good luck. The venn diagram intersection between degenerate gamblers and people who can't be bothered to get a vaccine feels like its gotta be large.
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Hello! I work in a casino in PA; I'm not saying which one (to be safe) and I will not breach NDA because I like my job and I like having money, so if I get non-specific or refuse to answer something, that's why. I work on the corporate side; my job is not customer-facing at all. I work in a perfectly normal office that, apart from the commute and entering the building and everything before you get on the elevator, you would never be able to tell is on the second floor of a casino. In fact, most employees never even see it; one time while I was waiting for the elevator an orientation group passed me and I heard them being told "that's the elevator, you go in it to talk to payroll and for nothing else." (Access to anything else is keycarded anyway, they wouldn't be able to get in.) I've been there for 9 years now and have very rarely interacted with a customer, because that's not my job, but I can answer questions about how the business side runs, which I hope is also interesting. Nystral posted:With the Elite Eight starting tonight I ahve a few questions on sports lines: Laserface posted:Self-Exclusion is a government enforced service, but we cannot tell someone they need to stop gambling, only provide them with the (entirely for show and not at all effective) self-exclusion option - they have to sign up themselves, and it is entirely impossible to adhere to - it is simply a photo booklet of self-excluded members that sits at reception. no one checks it. ever.
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CapnAndy posted:Hello! I work in a casino in PA; I'm not saying which one (to be safe) and I will not breach NDA because I like my job and I like having money, so if I get non-specific or refuse to answer something, that's why. I work on the corporate side; my job is not customer-facing at all. I work in a perfectly normal office that, apart from the commute and entering the building and everything before you get on the elevator, you would never be able to tell is on the second floor of a casino. In fact, most employees never even see it; one time while I was waiting for the elevator an orientation group passed me and I heard them being told "that's the elevator, you go in it to talk to payroll and for nothing else." (Access to anything else is keycarded anyway, they wouldn't be able to get in.) I've been there for 9 years now and have very rarely interacted with a customer, because that's not my job, but I can answer questions about how the business side runs, which I hope is also interesting. Can you say what your job is? Sounds like Marketing if you sent something out that got to a self excluded person. I'd definitely be curious about the promos, marketing, conferences, etc that you all market to, and how covid has affected those things or continues to do so. Obviously, your degens are going to come regardless, but for those large bookings are they picking back up? If everything is key carded are you segregated from other departments or is it just front of house is excluded from back of house?
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CapnAndy posted:Hello! I work in a casino in PA; I'm not saying which one (to be safe) and I will not breach NDA because I like my job and I like having money, so if I get non-specific or refuse to answer something, that's why. I work on the corporate side; my job is not customer-facing at all. I work in a perfectly normal office that, apart from the commute and entering the building and everything before you get on the elevator, you would never be able to tell is on the second floor of a casino. In fact, most employees never even see it; one time while I was waiting for the elevator an orientation group passed me and I heard them being told "that's the elevator, you go in it to talk to payroll and for nothing else." (Access to anything else is keycarded anyway, they wouldn't be able to get in.) I've been there for 9 years now and have very rarely interacted with a customer, because that's not my job, but I can answer questions about how the business side runs, which I hope is also interesting. Do you need a Casino Special License, (or whatever the equivalent thingo where you work is called), to work backstage in corporate? Because I remember the huge mountains of forms, and fingerprinting etc. that I had to go through to get my "Special License" to be a Dealer, and if I had ever been promoted to Supervisor or Higher, I would have had to go through it all again to get the next level. So I was wondering if there was any sort of thing you needed to get to be allowed to legally work in Casino corporate. Sorry if this is legally sensitive question.
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Mr. Toodles posted:Can you say what your job is? Sounds like Marketing if you sent something out that got to a self excluded person. I'd definitely be curious about the promos, marketing, conferences, etc that you all market to, and how covid has affected those things or continues to do so. Obviously, your degens are going to come regardless, but for those large bookings are they picking back up? I'm not entirely sure how covid affected our marketing, apart from the few months we were just entirely shut down. I had a bunch of stuff suspended then; it all went back online when we reopened, but as to what was being given away and how frequently... not my department. quote:If everything is key carded are you segregated from other departments or is it just front of house is excluded from back of house? BrigadierSensible posted:Do you need a Casino Special License, (or whatever the equivalent thingo where you work is called), to work backstage in corporate? Because I remember the huge mountains of forms, and fingerprinting etc. that I had to go through to get my "Special License" to be a Dealer, and if I had ever been promoted to Supervisor or Higher, I would have had to go through it all again to get the next level. So I was wondering if there was any sort of thing you needed to get to be allowed to legally work in Casino corporate.
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Grand Fromage posted:My place caught lots of people doing the same thing. It seems smart but is real easy to see from security. There are a few people sitting in jail cause they did this with money from a bank robbery to clean it up at the casino I work at.
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No idea if this thread is still being read or not but: if you've dealt craps: do you think dice control exists or not, and have you seen people asked not to play craps on suspicion of it?
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Feels Villeneuve posted:No idea if this thread is still being read or not but: I have friends who think I have dice control, because I called 3 shots in a row when playing a board game. Really it was just the numbers I wanted and I took my 1/216 shot at eternal fame in my social group. Throwing the length of a craps table, I'm not sure how you could have any substantial control.
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leper khan posted:Throwing the length of a craps table, I'm not sure how you could have any substantial control. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbkizy-Y3qw&t=101s
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There are a couple of techniques that could be used if the dealer isn't watching closely. Things like sliding the dice to the other end of the table. However if you throw the dice to the other end of the table and hit the back board in the air, there's no way to control the dice when that happens.
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Even the "dice control" techniques that I've heard of/tried to practice mostly are about just trying to influence the probabilities a little bit one way or the other. Example, holding the dice together showing doubles means that, to roll a 7, the two dice have to rotate 180 degrees differently from each other along one axis, so if you throw them a little softly, you can go on long runs without throwing a 7. I've "done it" in that I've gone on some long runs (not even anywhere near record setting or anything), but I've also had probably just as many one-and-out runs. I'd imagine the first thing they'll do is just try to distract you, and then ultimately would just not let you throw the dice anymore if they suspected you could actually control them effectively.
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Yeah most of the techniques I've heard purport to slightly decrease the odds of a 7 using methods like that, which - if true - would be significant enough to seriously affect the house edge in craps. I generally think these things are BS but dice are literally a thing that humans throw, so I don't want to specifically dismiss this out of hand (but the stories I've heard of dice control tend to have the feeling of myths and/or anecdotes). Like I've definitely seen stories of people being told, card-counting style, that they were welcome to play any game in the casino except craps, but anyone can post a story online or put one in a book. Feels Villeneuve fucked around with this message at 22:46 on Apr 26, 2022 |
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As a Vegas-dweller, my go-tos for questions like that is the wizard of odds, though he doesn't have much to say for actual evidence:quote:The next table summarizes the results. [...] The sample size is too small to perform any robust tests. However just an eyeball test shows the results are thus far close to expectations in a random game. So clearly more testing needs to be done, and is planned for. ...though he did actually calculate the various changes in house edge/player advantages depending on apparent skill. The intuitive take is that if it actually worked, you would see more proof of people being able to do it -- long, recorded trials of throwing the dice, with actual statistician involvement. The lack of this, for me, is the most telling thing. That said, even in the best case of having a regulation craps table for personal use, you still have to counter the casino environment, distractions, etc, and be able to influence the odds far enough for it to matter. Card counting is very real, but it's still remarkably difficult to turn it into a continuous player advantage!
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Feels Villeneuve posted:No idea if this thread is still being read or not but: Lol nah, if players aren’t hitting the back wall consistently we’ll no roll their rolls, otherwise the back wall is shaped to make it bounce randomly Craps is full of players who will take a full minute to set their dice before letting them fly but I’ve never in four years of dealing dice found someone who I thought was suspicious Edit: more often than not the casino wants people who think they can control the dice because eventually they’ll lose it all, a lot of people will win on a small sample size and think they’re doing it but naaah Murmur Twin fucked around with this message at 07:51 on Apr 29, 2022 |
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Throwback to when a man in the casino literally got mad at me for 'throwing the dice wrong' then when I said he could roll for me refused because of some superstitious nonsense lol
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ThomasPaine posted:Throwback to when a man in the casino literally got mad at me for 'throwing the dice wrong' then when I said he could roll for me refused because of some superstitious nonsense lol There is no group of people on this planet as superstitious as craps players  I've had players get sincerely and legitimately angry at me for tapping into stick after a break and calling a 7-out on my first roll.
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Murmur Twin posted:There is no group of people on this planet as superstitious as craps players the last time I played someone was on a long streak and sevened-out immediately after a stickman change and everyone was all "that's how they getcha", it was great i was pissed because i was being nice and waiting for the next come-out to buy in so i missed all the action on that shooter 
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Murmur Twin posted:Lol nah, if players aren’t hitting the back wall consistently we’ll no roll their rolls, otherwise the back wall is shaped to make it bounce randomly i'll also say that at least at the tribal casinos i've played at, the dealers sometimes just don't give a poo poo about the back wall as long as it goes far enough or you aren't sliding it across the table or some poo poo like i said i generally think these sorts of things are BS but unlike things like baccarat "strategy" it's not something i want to totally dismiss out of hand Feels Villeneuve fucked around with this message at 16:09 on May 1, 2022 |
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Feels Villeneuve posted:No idea if this thread is still being read or not but: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhV3uDea0aE 2:10 Joe Rogan and David Blane talked about a Someone who practiced 15 hours a day ever day for like 10 years (slightly exaggerated probably) and threw dice probably over a million times practicing. Take it as you will.
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Chopstix posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhV3uDea0aE Yeah I mean I guess the way I look at it is we have the example of professional darts players who practice a purely mechanical motion with way less variables at work than throwing a pair of dice down a table and they can't hit the exact same spot on the dart board every time without some noticeable variance. Yeah there are methods to flat out cheat like tossing one dice while sliding the other to try and trick the dealers, but this story he tells of a guy who can throw a pair of dice every time at the exact same speed from the same release point and hit the same spot on the end wall such that rolling a seven is much less likely seems improbable to me. nice thing to dream about though 
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You'd only need to succeed more often than the casino's edge to be net +ER, though, right? So like if the casino has a 2% edge on a particular bet, you'd only need to improve your odds of rolling that value to more than 2% above random to win...?
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Leperflesh posted:You'd only need to succeed more often than the casino's edge to be net +ER, though, right? So like if the casino has a 2% edge on a particular bet, you'd only need to improve your odds of rolling that value to more than 2% above random to win...? The word "only" is doing a lot of work here. It's even harder than darts because while the randomness of dart accuracy is clustered around the point where you aim, in craps it is clustered around a point in the diamonds of the wall where sub-millimeter variations of impact send the dice flying in a completely different way. The point is no matter how hard you try, the physics aren't going to let you improve your advantage by 0.1% much less 2%
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Leperflesh posted:You'd only need to succeed more often than the casino's edge to be net +ER, though, right? So like if the casino has a 2% edge on a particular bet, you'd only need to improve your odds of rolling that value to more than 2% above random to win...? If you could beat the casino's edge, they'd notice. They have way more data than you.
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not only that, but even if you did manage a +2% EV, your bankroll is still finite and enough losses will still end your runCapnAndy posted:Yeah, and you can fly to the moon too, you only need to jump really high and hold your breath for a while. one thing that would be fascinating to see is all of the tracking and statistics casinos do for their games. i imagine modern slot machines, at the very least, are capable of reporting their statistics
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I used to not believe that shuffle tracking was an actual thing, that someone could track a clump of cards through a bunch of shuffles. But ehh, apparently it is actually very profitable once you get good at it. Have not run into any professional craps players though.
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Zamujasa posted:not only that, but even if you did manage a +2% EV, your bankroll is still finite and enough losses will still end your run They do. For a fair number of them it isn't even in the service menu (which has extremely detailed breakdowns, from what I've seen), but can be accessed by the player in one of the help screens. For table games, the surveillance department manages the statistics. I only really know details about blackjack, but what they do there is monitor how often a player deviates from mathematically perfect play. They also track how your winnings correlate to those deviations. If you routinely win, but never deviate, you're just lucky. If you deviate often, but your wins/losses have no correlation, you don't know what you're doing. If you very rarely deviate, and usually win when you do? You're cheating.
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Baddog posted:I used to not believe that shuffle tracking was an actual thing, that someone could track a clump of cards through a bunch of shuffles. A friend showed me how it worked on a recording of a practice session years ago. I've never personally tried it. It is a difficult skill to master but extremely powerful and difficult for the casino to detect.
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CapnAndy posted:Yeah, and you can fly to the moon too, you only need to jump really high and hold your breath for a while. If you consistently beat the casino's edge for a long time, absolutely. If you beat the casino for an hour? That's just variance and it happens all the time. Of course the fundamental problem with people claiming they can cheat at rolling dice and thereby beat the casino is that cheaters are always, always too greedy to only cheat just enough to gain a small edge sometimes but not wind up a statistical outlier.
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Every dice player thinks they can control the dice like every roulette dealer thinks they can clock the wheel. And every Baccarat player thinks they can see the pattern. Humans are very poor at evaluating random events.
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to be fair I've been telling myself for years that it doesn't matter how i hold or throw the dice so i typically just toss them down the table mindlessly and I 7 out every time. Maybe next time I'll just pass the dice.
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