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actionjackson
Jan 12, 2003

ordered my table, ship date June 29th :|

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SkyeAuroline
Nov 12, 2020

Sounds about right. I'm always curious who actually sees "16 week lead time" for furniture and says "this is fine" when it's not some handmade custom piece.
Interior design's weird, man. My standards are low but I don't think I'm that out of touch. (though I'm about to have to hit the furniture hunt myself... not eager)

Kaiser Schnitzel
Mar 29, 2006

Schnitzel mit uns


SkyeAuroline posted:

Sounds about right. I'm always curious who actually sees "16 week lead time" for furniture and says "this is fine" when it's not some handmade custom piece.
Interior design's weird, man. My standards are low but I don't think I'm that out of touch. (though I'm about to have to hit the furniture hunt myself... not eager)

Some of this is from more furniture companies doing more manufacturing domestically and offering more semi-custom options like custom sized dining tables to try to compete with east asian imports. If you get a container of all the same tables from indonesia 3 times a year, it's pretty easy to ship tomorrow. If you're offering multiple finishes/sizes/materials etc. it may make more sense to make them to order instead of keeping a bunch of odd combinations in stock. 'To-the-trade' upholstered furniture has been done this way for a while-you pick the sofa and one of their fabrics (or supply your own), they upholster it to order in 8-12 weeks or w/e.

actionjackson
Jan 12, 2003

SkyeAuroline posted:

Sounds about right. I'm always curious who actually sees "16 week lead time" for furniture and says "this is fine" when it's not some handmade custom piece.
Interior design's weird, man. My standards are low but I don't think I'm that out of touch. (though I'm about to have to hit the furniture hunt myself... not eager)

It sounds like that question is directed at me. I wanted a white, round table to pair with a couple peacock blue + maple dowel leg eames chairs. Also I didn't want to buy something that was clearly a knockoff, like a fake Saarinen table

Also for my specific needs, the ideal size was 30-36" diameter, and since I won't be using it a ton, my budget was like 1k

I started looking several months ago (you may have noticed I spend a lot of time before buying anything), and was surprised that I couldn't actually find that much.

keep in mind I'm still waiting for the rug I ordered in September. nothing wrong with waiting for what you really want. I'm sure the fact that Magis has no b&m presence outside of Italy is a factor. Also as Kaiser said, it's probably all made to order.

options I found/considered:

1) this hay table but base does not come in white

2) this room and board table, but like most of their stuff, I just find it too generic looking

3) this room and board pedestal table, but my preferred size (32") does not have an mdf option, and even with MDF in 36", I read some comments about how the base is a bit too wide, and that the MDF was very cheap looking

4) comedy 35" mdf 2k option

5) first knoll option, but a bit too pricy and "business" looking imo

6) same "business" look


yesterday I was at the blu dot outlet talking to the manager, and he was mentioning something to me about Saarinen tables. Basically with Saarinen, Eames, etc. there is a royalty paid to their foundation (or whatever) for each product sold, which is part of the price increase. He also mentioned that, at least at one point, there was some special machine to make the actual Saarinen tables in their very recognizable tulip shape, and that the machine was incredibly expensive to buy/use. He didn't get into any further detail though. I think at one point the Saarinen table was actually patented, and the price was even higher than it was now, but I could be wrong. The Saarinen name is so incredibly famous in the world of modern furniture that they can pretty much charge whatever they want.

actionjackson fucked around with this message at 19:12 on Feb 22, 2021

SkyeAuroline
Nov 12, 2020

actionjackson posted:

It sounds like that question is directed at me. I wanted a white, round table to pair with a couple peacock blue + maple dowel leg eames chairs. Also I didn't want to buy something that was clearly a knockoff, like a fake Saarinen table

Also for my specific needs, the ideal size was 30-36" diameter, and since I won't be using it a ton, my budget was like 1k

I started looking several months ago (you may have noticed I spend a lot of time before buying anything), and was surprised that I couldn't actually find that much.

keep in mind I'm still waiting for the rug I ordered in September. nothing wrong with waiting for what you really want. I'm sure the fact that Magis has no b&m presence outside of Italy is a factor. Also as Kaiser said, it's probably all made to order.

No, it's just generally directed; I'm working with a vendor atm with 16 week lead times across the board and internally questioning "why would I wait for this when I can buy domestic for better quality faster", but they make sales so I guess whatever they're doing is working. It's all made to order on account of fabric choices (if you ever want to give me nightmares, tell me you've got a new fabric for a collection) and otherwise it'd be easy to keep stock.

Kaiser Schnitzel posted:

Some of this is from more furniture companies doing more manufacturing domestically and offering more semi-custom options like custom sized dining tables to try to compete with east asian imports. If you get a container of all the same tables from indonesia 3 times a year, it's pretty easy to ship tomorrow. If you're offering multiple finishes/sizes/materials etc. it may make more sense to make them to order instead of keeping a bunch of odd combinations in stock. 'To-the-trade' upholstered furniture has been done this way for a while-you pick the sofa and one of their fabrics (or supply your own), they upholster it to order in 8-12 weeks or w/e.

Yup. This is the worst of both worlds - made to order, but all the manufacture is still outsourced to various Southeast Asian countries so you have to stack "container ship wait" on top of "MtO wait". If this was one of the Amish handcrafter companies out of Ohio or something I'd be a little more forgiving. Just not getting the same level of quality that usually justifies the wait.

actionjackson
Jan 12, 2003

speaking of fabrics, look how many options danish design store has

https://www.danishdesignstore.com/products/365-north-blade-sofa-wendelbo

be prepared to scroll for a while

also pretty sure 100k double rubs is just because people thing higher = better forever

my understanding is 30k is all you really need for residential, 100k is like in an airport or something

actionjackson
Jan 12, 2003

It's amazing how a company that makes nothing but knockoffs can go to such a great effort to make their site look legitimate

https://modernica.net/

seems like bad news when they are not BBB accredited

https://www.bbb.org/us/ca/vernon/profile/furniture-stores/modernica-inc-1216-588966

apparently a chair broke sending someone to the hospital, but hey they saved money on the chair, so who can say if it's good or bad.

edit: now i'm fixated on fake modern furniture and



SPIDERS AHHHHHH



actionjackson fucked around with this message at 03:07 on Feb 23, 2021

SkyeAuroline
Nov 12, 2020

actionjackson posted:

It's amazing how a company that makes nothing but knockoffs can go to such a great effort to make their site look legitimate

https://modernica.net/

seems like bad news when they are not BBB accredited

https://www.bbb.org/us/ca/vernon/profile/furniture-stores/modernica-inc-1216-588966

just quickly browsing, I saw a fake (every eames and nelson product), I even saw a fake papa bear chair :wtc:

I can tell you they need to be stopped.
The Eames thing is actually kind of weird with them - they're not knockoffs. Sort of. Herman Miller discontinued the original Eames because of issues with the original fiberglass composition. They brought out the new polypropylene version in 2013, using new molds and new materials. Where did the old molds go?

Modernica bought them. They're the ones making "real" Eames chairs nowadays. ("Real" is not a positive qualifier.)

actionjackson
Jan 12, 2003

SkyeAuroline posted:

I can tell you they need to be stopped.
The Eames thing is actually kind of weird with them - they're not knockoffs. Sort of. Herman Miller discontinued the original Eames because of issues with the original fiberglass composition. They brought out the new polypropylene version in 2013, using new molds and new materials. Where did the old molds go?

Modernica bought them. They're the ones making "real" Eames chairs nowadays. ("Real" is not a positive qualifier.)

ah ok, thanks for the info!

slingshot effect
Sep 28, 2009

the wonderful wizard of welp

Youth Decay posted:

The Zillow search term of the day is "priceless" aka old houses that have magically escaped renovation and still show all of their brown glory


Oh no.

oXDemosthenesXo
May 9, 2005
Grimey Drawer

I know that work triangle is terrible.

Youth Decay
Aug 18, 2015

The Zillow search term of the day is "locally sourced"

https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/1633-Meadow-Rd-Durango-CO-81303/299215745_zpid/



https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/55-High-St-Brownville-ME-04414/300212457_zpid/




https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/3373-Panorama-Rdg-Whistler-BC-V0N-1B3/314300494_zpid/




https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/211-E-High-St-Shepherdstown-WV-25443/2099086178_zpid/





https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/11-Rodrigo-Knls-Millbrook-NY-12545/150892632_zpid/





https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/14-Paloma-Ave-Rociada-NM-87742/2078000378_zpid/


guest house #1


guest house #2



https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/10800-Little-Pond-Rd-Goshen-KY-40026/105933789_zpid/ an absolutely PERFECT 1976 hippie tree-house






HelloIAmYourHeart
Dec 29, 2008
Fallen Rib
Love that purple carpet/teal wall color combo. That was my favorite when I was little and I insisted my mom make me a dress in those colors.

Youth Decay Eames Chair Count: 11 (1 virtual, 1 miniature)

Youth Decay
Aug 18, 2015

The Zillow search term of the day is "angles". Lots of fabulous Late Century Modern.

https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/11549-Road-E-SW-Royal-City-WA-99357/2103094004_zpid/


such a cute kitchen!


https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/7-Oakridge-Ln-Roslyn-NY-11576/31092003_zpid/




https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/55290-Forest-Haven-Dr-Idyllwild-CA-92549/18048851_zpid/


this house rocks



https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/812-La-Mesa-Dr-Portola-Valley-CA-94028/15601860_zpid/



https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/8820-SW-104th-St-Miami-FL-33176/44276610_zpid/




https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/12743-Highway-4-Ava-IL-62907/300329707_zpid/



https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/444-S-Union-St-R1-Burlington-VT-05401/2077683631_zpid/


https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/811-Wild-Oak-Dr-Santa-Rosa-CA-95409/15775776_zpid/





https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/1346-Village-Ln-Chester-Springs-PA-19425/54738675_zpid/ ca. 1850 farmhouse + 1970s (?) passive solar addition


clean your dang fireplace


https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/1166-Harvard-Rd-Pittsburgh-PA-15205/11257754_zpid/ by Tasso Katselas (1956)

a chair so nice they staged it twice


actionjackson
Jan 12, 2003


love that beadboard, definitely works better with a sort of rustic/distressed floor like that

do glo-ball type lights work in kitchens? I wanted to switch my track lighting to that, but wasn't sure if it would get bright enough.

Liquid Communism
Mar 9, 2004


Out here, everything hurts.




Youth Decay posted:

The Zillow search term of the day is "angles". Lots of fabulous Late Century Modern.





I'm not usually big on freestanding fireplaces, but this one is really well done.

SkyeAuroline
Nov 12, 2020

Youth Decay posted:

The Zillow search term of the day is "angles". Lots of fabulous Late Century Modern.


https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/55290-Forest-Haven-Dr-Idyllwild-CA-92549/18048851_zpid/




Beginning the countdown to someone falling off the dining platform. Also, showering with a boulder taking up half the shower and inconvenient.

Facebook Aunt
Oct 4, 2008

wiggle wiggle




SkyeAuroline posted:

Also, showering with a boulder taking up half the shower and inconvenient.

You're not considering the advantages of a whole body pumice stone. Soap up and rub your back against that thing like a bear for some pro tier exfoliation.

Blowjob Overtime
Apr 6, 2008

Steeeeriiiiiiiiike twooooooo!


This is the second time I've seen a small to medium sink on the short end of the island in one of these, and it really is a baffling choice to me. This one looks too small to fill bigger pots and pans, but much bigger and you have a sink with zero usable counterspace to the left and right of it.

actionjackson
Jan 12, 2003

Blowjob Overtime posted:

This is the second time I've seen a small to medium sink on the short end of the island in one of these, and it really is a baffling choice to me. This one looks too small to fill bigger pots and pans, but much bigger and you have a sink with zero usable counterspace to the left and right of it.

yeah it's pretty terrible looking. not surprisingly they have a giant apron sink (back left of the pic)

also that kitchen is so incredibly oversized, the dishwasher and sink are next to....the fireplace? what is that part of the room even supposed to be, the read by the fireplace while someone is doing dishes room?

Blowjob Overtime
Apr 6, 2008

Steeeeriiiiiiiiike twooooooo!

actionjackson posted:

yeah it's pretty terrible looking. not surprisingly they have a giant apron sink (back left of the pic)

also that kitchen is so incredibly oversized, the dishwasher and sink are next to....the fireplace? what is that part of the room even supposed to be, the read by the fireplace while someone is doing dishes room?

:lol: I figured the main sink was out of frame or hidden, I didn't notice it so far away in what is basically a different room. Also looking at it more now, is that a microwave on the open part on the cabinet middle right?? Seems less than ideal.

actionjackson
Jan 12, 2003

it's a dwarf home, that oven is only one foot tall for reference

Youth Decay
Aug 18, 2015

actionjackson posted:

yeah it's pretty terrible looking. not surprisingly they have a giant apron sink (back left of the pic)

also that kitchen is so incredibly oversized, the dishwasher and sink are next to....the fireplace? what is that part of the room even supposed to be, the read by the fireplace while someone is doing dishes room?

Once upon a time (colonial era) the cooking area was also a main living/dining space, the stove or fireplace doing double-duty as a heat source. Many houses of that era didn't have kitchens in the modern sense, they may have had a scullery with a sink and (movable) bathtub but very little was built-in.

When indoor plumbing became a thing the kitchen and bathroom/laundry were usually built as an addition to the older structure. In this house I think they took a wall down at some point which is why it looks kinda weird, but I think that side is supposed to be an eat-in area.

Queen Victorian
Feb 21, 2018

Blowjob Overtime posted:

This is the second time I've seen a small to medium sink on the short end of the island in one of these, and it really is a baffling choice to me. This one looks too small to fill bigger pots and pans, but much bigger and you have a sink with zero usable counterspace to the left and right of it.

Might be a kosher kitchen. They have two sinks and tend to be bigger with more counter space to make food prep easier with all the strict ingredient segregation and other rules.

wheatpuppy
Apr 25, 2008

YOU HAVE MY POST!

Queen Victorian posted:

Might be a kosher kitchen. They have two sinks and tend to be bigger with more counter space to make food prep easier with all the strict ingredient segregation and other rules.
I have always heard those described as a "prep sink" - for when you just need to wash your hands quick or rinse off some fruit and don't need the massive sink (which is probably full of dirty dishes anyway).

Blowjob Overtime
Apr 6, 2008

Steeeeriiiiiiiiike twooooooo!

Queen Victorian posted:

Might be a kosher kitchen. They have two sinks and tend to be bigger with more counter space to make food prep easier with all the strict ingredient segregation and other rules.

Having a second sink on the island isn't my issue, it's the sink being oriented facing the short edge so it has no real usable space to the left and/or right of it. Presumably dirty dishes would accumulate next to the other sink as this one is in a working area, but at some point you are going to want to set something down while you use the sink. If it is anything of size like a pot or pan, you can do so precariously on a counter that is too small, or walk around to set it behind the sink. It just doesn't seem functional to me.

wheatpuppy posted:

I have always heard those described as a "prep sink" - for when you just need to wash your hands quick or rinse off some fruit and don't need the massive sink (which is probably full of dirty dishes anyway).

This would make at least some sense, but even then I would want it rotated 90 degrees.

actionjackson
Jan 12, 2003

wheatpuppy posted:

I have always heard those described as a "prep sink" - for when you just need to wash your hands quick or rinse off some fruit and don't need the massive sink (which is probably full of dirty dishes anyway).

this is why if you have a single basin you immediately put dirty dishes into the dishwasher, otherwise it's very tempting to just let them sit in there

peanut
Sep 9, 2007


Designated hot water tap for protein shakes

Youth Decay
Aug 18, 2015

The Zillow search term of the day is "chill". In both the cold sense and the relaxed/casual sense.

https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/55981-Sunnyslope-Dr-Landers-CA-92285/17507320_zpid/


there is really not enough separation here to make an open shower work without turning into a total mess

it comes with a whole bunch of poo poo outside including a metal stock tank pool which sounds like a horrible idea, a tent, and "chill zones" which aren't really chill since they are completely exposed to the harsh desert sun


https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/319-Los-Indios-Ranch-Rd-Boerne-TX-78006/28651569_zpid/
what happened to this floor

more importantly, what the hell is this bathroom


https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/288-292-Franklin-Rd-Highlands-NC-28741/2094119019_zpid/

these are Big Chill appliances, they make colorful faux retro-look appliances that look pretty good imo

I think this is an Acme (aka Accro) dinette set with the characteristic "paper clip" leg style. The Acme company is still around and making the original designs, but with better modern materials. Acme's main retailer is AnMarcos in Canada, but in the US Totally Kids has a good selection as well.


https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/4266-Route-212-Woodstock-NY-12498/2076745904_zpid/

another Big Chill stove


https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/W7374-Cree-Ct-Wautoma-WI-54982/228709849_zpid/ with the price of this I was expecting it to be in the absolute middle of nowhere but it's only a few miles from a real grocery store and medical clinic so it's only, like, kind of in the middle of nowhere



https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/18-Miller-Park-Chautauqua-NY-14722/29904371_zpid/ this house is so adorable I am even mad at them painting the wood trim white upstairs






https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/10810-Rannells-Rd-Cumberland-MD-21502/36164008_zpid/ 7,000+sf of glorious 1970s B R O W N




the platonic ideal of a basement

has the best "pool house" ever

Youth Decay fucked around with this message at 04:38 on Feb 25, 2021

actionjackson
Jan 12, 2003

are those stone floors in the first house pictures? I never understood the appeal, it's just incredibly cold and uninviting. plus kind of dangerous if you fall.

Youth Decay
Aug 18, 2015

actionjackson posted:

are those stone floors in the first house pictures? I never understood the appeal, it's just incredibly cold and uninviting. plus kind of dangerous if you fall.

Concrete floors, really common in ~modern~ remodels and new builds for some reason. I just think they make the house look unfinished. If you're in a hot climate like that house is a cold floor is a good thing though - it's why terrazzo was/is so common in Florida, Texas and southern California. Terrazzo is a stone composite floor but IMO it looks way better than concrete.

HelloIAmYourHeart
Dec 29, 2008
Fallen Rib
I desperately want one of the mid century indoor planters (so my husband can grow me sugar snap peas in the foyer)

Youth Decay Eames Chair count: 13 (1 virtual, 1 miniature)

actionjackson
Jan 12, 2003

HelloIAmYourHeart posted:

I desperately want one of the mid century indoor planters (so my husband can grow me sugar snap peas in the foyer)

https://bloemliving.com/products/planters/hopson-wood-stand/

Liquid Communism
Mar 9, 2004


Out here, everything hurts.




Someone at HGTV needs to be fed into a wood chipper for starting this.

Behold, a normal, mid-50's midwestern house!



Now let's take a look inside.



Uhoh.



What in the world...



This poor house.



It did not deserve this.



I don't know which bedroom this is, they're identical.



They even did the basement. :psyduck:



Drumroll please.... 864 square feet, sold for $112,000 in October 2020. Apparently doing this... thing to it without even bothering to repaint the outside makes them believe they deserve an 72,000 dollar payday, as it went on the market for $184,900.

Blowjob Overtime
Apr 6, 2008

Steeeeriiiiiiiiike twooooooo!

Liquid Communism posted:

Apparently doing this... thing to it without even bothering to repaint the outside makes them believe they deserve an 72,000 dollar payday, as it went on the market for $184,900.

Searching Zillow for comps in Pleasantville.

Youth Decay
Aug 18, 2015

That looks like literally 90% of small bungalows in any given search I have done. Except they more than double the asking price after their "flip".

SkyeAuroline
Nov 12, 2020

I'm already resigned to never being a homeowner myself, but if I was ever in a position to have something built new, I think the first rule is "no white surfaces anywhere in this house".
These HGTV monstrosities keep telling me I'm right.

AFewBricksShy
Jun 19, 2003

of a full load.



It's Spaceball One!
They've gone Greyscale!

Liquid Communism
Mar 9, 2004


Out here, everything hurts.




Youth Decay posted:

That looks like literally 90% of small bungalows in any given search I have done. Except they more than double the asking price after their "flip".

Yep. I'm to the point where I'll probably end up building if I can ever afford to own because the entire small housing stock here is either trashed or 'flipped' with pasted over mechanical issues.

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new boot goofin
Jul 23, 2007

like school in july
Ugh, I'm going to be looking to buy a house in the near future and I am not looking forward to picking through all those whitewashed "renovations". Got a lot of nerve charging double for artic white paint and grey laminate :argh:

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