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Midnight Voyager
Jul 2, 2008

Hence, nothing remains except our regrets.



Lipstick Apathy

That...

ugh

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By popular demand
Jul 17, 2007

IT *BZZT* WASP ME--
IT WASP ME ALL *BZZT* ALONG!




System Metternich posted:

Update on the relationship network:



I honestly worry that we'll run out of space before long

I think something is missing:

There, much more accurate.

Carpator Diei
Feb 26, 2011


Aside from that... whatever that was at the end, the two pompous arch-enemies were kind of entertaining. Though, like pretty much everything in the Sandrah mod, this part would've been a lot better without Sandrah.

Keldulas
Mar 18, 2009


The funny thing is that there is actually a lot of context in the Sandrah mod.

Only, it tells us a lot about the author, since the character's personality is so liquid as to not really exist.

Hypocrisy
Oct 4, 2006
Lord of Sarcasm



I appreciate ancient evils being really petty and pathetic but teasing sending Sandrah to hell and not doing it is cruel.

Explopyro
Mar 18, 2018




There's at least a little potential in the hell thing that a competent author could do something with.

"Go to hell? Hm. Nice place, hell. Haven't been there in a while. You know what, thanks for the idea. gently caress this poo poo, I'm out of here."

Of course, you'd also have to not be trying to make the Mary Sue look super loving clever for pulling out a playground insult, so basically all the context would have to go. But still.

This is so painful to read, I can't imagine what playing this poo poo is like.

Vichan
Oct 1, 2014

I'LL PUNISH YOU ACCORDING TO YOUR CRIME

Viconia seems hellbent on leaving if we kick her out of the party, editing her alignment/our reputation does nothing... :(

Fixed again, maybe Edwin is fixed as well. One can hope.

Vichan fucked around with this message at 09:00 on Feb 2, 2021

Rappaport
Oct 2, 2013


I was going to say, why are there so many gods-damned dragons in this BG1 mod, but then I realized, when I was a kid playing BG1, I would have definitely loved a mod that added dragons everywhere, because dragons are wicked cool, right?

Vichan
Oct 1, 2014

I'LL PUNISH YOU ACCORDING TO YOUR CRIME

Chapter XXXIX - Oh, yes, she's a perfect whore thanks to you.



With that bit of chiropractic out of the way we can make our way back to the Friendly Arm inn. But first a beauty sleep.



Oops, let's try that again.



Jackpot. :heysexy:

The next morning...



...Uh, I'm pretty sure that's full-on sexual assault there, Sandrah.



South of the inn we meet these goons.





The cutlass is a welcome addition to our arsenal, we'll see if we can't find the house in Beregost later on.





We also find this manual, it'll probably come in real handy one of these days.





That particular death knights loves to spam power word: Kill. I have no idea how I was supposed to defend myself had I done this quest earlier like I was supposed to. Luckily I have death ward now and he goes down after a long fight.



A parcel, huh? Let's ask Sandrah about it.



How convenient, let's see what our options are.



Most of those options are pretty self-explanatory. Option 5 spams some alcoholic beverages while 8 upgrades your potions.



I also got this doll for some reason, I don't know exactly how it happened.

Enough about that though, how do we get to Candlekeep?



Luckily we're a stone's throw away from the inn.



Ha, I knew it would be important somewhere down the line!



Might as well return the favour and tell Shar-Teel about my past as well.



...Okay.



Aren't they great together? :allears:

(After installing something from the tweak pack I could dismiss Viconia from the party without her leaving permanently, I swapped her for Ajantis)

As soon as we leave the inn...



She takes us to the western part of the FAI area. While we're on our way there.



Not very personable, is she?



Finally!



This is the Waterdeep road, the only Waterdeep-related area you can access from the world map.



Khattark flees into the nearby house.



Fear not, we will rescue your baby! :black101:





Well, that was easy. Too bad he got away.



All's well that ends well. We'll still have to deal with Khattark I suppose.

We head north to...



The Ducal PalaceWaterdeep!



What do you mean this place looks familiar? (The top left marker is where we came from)



The guards are not really competent, it seems.



Sandrah gives us a tour on the various buildings in the area.



God, he's such a bore.



Over here is the temple to Siamorphe.



Pretty small.



We also meet Ajantis' mother.



In the southwest is the festhall, let's go there next.



...Why am I not surprised?



This building isn't marked, I wonder what's in here?



A-are we in Sigil? Shadow Thieves ambush us as we're about to leave.



We'd better find Khattark fast.



The temple to Waukeen has seen better days.



Khattark! :argh:

Once outside the eastern exit leads us to.



Now here's an area I don't recognize, where's this from?



One of Sandrah's pets greets us as we enter.



We also meet Finch's cousin! :swoon:

We'll get that book to her when we return.

Going further east...



We arrive in this area, filled with guards and not much else.

When we head north from the previous area...





Sweet, let's check the place out!



:eyepop:



...What is a Yuan-Ti doing here?

Whatever, let's check out the inner temple.



Khattark again! :argh: I think it's about time we hunt him down.

Vichan fucked around with this message at 01:55 on Nov 7, 2021

Vichan
Oct 1, 2014

I'LL PUNISH YOU ACCORDING TO YOUR CRIME

Updates might slow down some after this, Waterdeep has a lot of moving parts and I want to showcase as much content as I can.

Carpator Diei
Feb 26, 2011


Oh great, a whole new city entirely dedicated to Sandrah's wonderfulness.

This image is kind of hilarious, though. "It's just a flesh wound!"

Fighting Trousers
May 17, 2011

Does this excite you, girl?


Oh sure let's just move the game BALDUR'S GATE to Waterdeep, no big.

I'm also not even discussing the sexual assault because ew.

Cythereal
Nov 8, 2009



quote:

1. No rape, of or by the NPC. (Sexual assault, multiple cases of dubious consent)
2. No underage characters.
2a. For God's sake no romance with underage characters.
3. No incest.
4. No Bhaalspawn.
4a. No other demigods. (suspected)
5. No stats above natural limits for the race. Bioware characters are grandfathered in.
6. No forcing dialogue options or actions for the player (do-this-or-I-leave is fine, as long as you have the option to say no, bye).
7. No killing Bioware NPCs. (he got better)
8. No unique class/kit. (violation of the spirit but not the letter given the absurd range of extra stuff only for her)
9. No spoiling plot events (i.e. knowing that Yoshimo is working for Irenicus or that Imoen is a Bhaalspawn).
10. No personal items stronger than anything the player can reasonably obtain (nothing as powerful as the ring of gaxx or carsomyr, for example, much less anything stronger).

Vichan
Oct 1, 2014

I'LL PUNISH YOU ACCORDING TO YOUR CRIME

Cythereal posted:

8. No unique class/kit. (violation of the spirit but not the letter given the absurd range of extra stuff only for her)


Well, she IS a fighter/priestess of Mystra...

Next chapter is shaping up nicely, hope the extra effort I put into it is appreciated once it comes out. Tbh I don't know if it was worth it in the end.

Cythereal
Nov 8, 2009



Vichan posted:

Well, she IS a fighter/priestess of Mystra...

Oh, is that actually a special kit? I thought she was ostensibly just a bog-standard fighter/cleric.

Vichan
Oct 1, 2014

I'LL PUNISH YOU ACCORDING TO YOUR CRIME

Cythereal posted:

Oh, is that actually a special kit? I thought she was ostensibly just a bog-standard fighter/cleric.



I couldn't find any info on what's different about the class.

Cythereal
Nov 8, 2009



Vichan posted:



I couldn't find any info on what's different about the class.

gently caress it, she's a multi-class as a human rather than a dual-class, I'll count it.

quote:

1. No rape, of or by the NPC. (Sexual assault, multiple cases of dubious consent)
2. No underage characters.
2a. For God's sake no romance with underage characters.
3. No incest.
4. No Bhaalspawn.
4a. No other demigods. (suspected)
5. No stats above natural limits for the race. Bioware characters are grandfathered in.
6. No forcing dialogue options or actions for the player (do-this-or-I-leave is fine, as long as you have the option to say no, bye). (boy howdy...)
7. No killing Bioware NPCs. (he got better)
8. No unique class/kit. (also a multiclass as a human rather than a dual class)
9. No spoiling plot events (i.e. knowing that Yoshimo is working for Irenicus or that Imoen is a Bhaalspawn). (this ship sailed a long time ago)
10. No personal items stronger than anything the player can reasonably obtain (nothing as powerful as the ring of gaxx or carsomyr, for example, much less anything stronger). (lol)

Vichan
Oct 1, 2014

I'LL PUNISH YOU ACCORDING TO YOUR CRIME

Chapter XL - Nether lips.



A visit to Waterdeep wouldn't be complete without a visit to Elminster's house. (We exchanged Ajantis with Viconia before heading in)



That's a nice foyer.



I recognize Elminster and Landrel, but who's that other guy?



Henning! :swoon:





We fade to black, of course...



Oooh, another party member?



How would the other NPCs have reacted?



None of the others have any reactions, I even included Kagain and Faldorn. I will include their reactions for this chapter going forward. I don't know if I'll keep it up throughout the LP though.



We arrive at the gardens.



I'm genuinely excited to see how this will develop, is the mod rubbing off on me?



Ooooh, that's Pelligram?



Why does she have a portrait, why is it HUMAN? :gonk:





One reaction is missi-



Ah, I sense another romance blooming. (ugh)



After the garden we relax on the top of the tower. The resulting conversation has musical accompaniment(!)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQjrTh33gUs#t=120s

Start this song at two minutes in (if it doesn't already do so automatically) and end it about 35 seconds later, let's continue.





The same song actually plays again during this chapter, if you're clicking through the previous dialogue (like I did while gathering other NPCs reactions) the songs will play over each other.





After this Vichan and Sandrah are teleported to Sandrah's bedroom while the other four get teleported to the foyer.



Viconia and Imoen decide to strike up a conversation during this time.



After arriving in Sandrah's room we immediately raid her closets.



Girl's got fashion sense, there's no denying that. :colbert:



Things quickly turn sexual, we automatically rest shortly afterwards.

We return to the tower area.



This would've actually been quite a sweet moment in a better mod, I've got to admit.



My, my. Lucky Landrel.



I have to admit that this experiment was mainly fueled by my curiosity. Would anyone else gently caress Landrel?

Anyway, to Elminster's room!



...Which is a ship, apparently. (Oswald Fiddlebender's ship from the Icewind Dale games, as a matter of fact!)



I feel much more at ease now that we have more slippers. :doh:

Nothing left to do but leave this place, I guess.



Landrel will never be the same again.

That reminds me, does Sandrah have any new PIDs?



:gonk:

Vichan fucked around with this message at 11:52 on Nov 25, 2021

Vichan
Oct 1, 2014

I'LL PUNISH YOU ACCORDING TO YOUR CRIME

This chapter was a bitch to set up and I'm still not sure if my hard work paid off or not.

I also regret to inform all of you that I'm pretty sure I left Safana at the Cloakwood mines, I still managed to get her into my party for this part (yay console) and she didn't have any reactions.

Edwin apparently also had quite a bit to say here but he's no longer available either. Shame. Maybe I'll cheat him in as well, I will of course amend my post accordingly if I can manage to get it to work. Alas, it doesn't work.

Vichan fucked around with this message at 21:35 on Feb 2, 2021

EggsAisle
Dec 17, 2013

I get it! You're, uh...

I'm not really getting why Roxanne felt the need to develop this gigantic mod project, with all the tedium and troubleshooting that entails, when a 1623435-part porn parody posted on... I dunno, wherever videogame erotic fanfiction lives... would have been much less work, achieved the exact same thing, and probably reached more people. But then, there's quite a bit about this modder's personality that is baffling slash alarming to me, so I guess I'll just have to wonder.

I still find it hilarious how Imoen's love interest is the random-rear end shopkeeper. I can't put my finger on exactly why, but it cracks me up every time.

Cythereal
Nov 8, 2009



EggsAisle posted:

I still find it hilarious how Imoen's love interest is the random-rear end shopkeeper. I can't put my finger on exactly why, but it cracks me up every time.

In a well-written mod I could see the appeal. Adventuring is a high-risk, high-reward, high-stress occupation in the Forgotten Realms and recognized as such in most of Faerun. Most adventurers die or save their village and never amount to more than that, but every once in a great while an adventuring company strikes it rich and/or ascends to royalty if not godhood. For someone in that occupation, it's not unreasonable that they'd fall for someone safe, stable, and engaged in a far less risky line of work than adventuring. A few of the BG2 Romantic Encounters even play up this angle.

As usual, Sandrah Saga has a basic idea that's fine, but then takes it in a... not particularly fine direction.

TheGreatEvilKing
Mar 28, 2016







I love how Elminister is totally OK with his daughter becoming a prostitute so she can suck the surroundings into her vagina.

Midnight Voyager
Jul 2, 2008

Hence, nothing remains except our regrets.



Lipstick Apathy

Yeah sure gently caress the butler, why not

Thunderclan
Dec 24, 2013


EggsAisle posted:

I'm not really getting why Roxanne felt the need to develop this gigantic mod project, with all the tedium and troubleshooting that entails, when a 1623435-part porn parody posted on... I dunno, wherever videogame erotic fanfiction lives... would have been much less work, achieved the exact same thing, and probably reached more people. But then, there's quite a bit about this modder's personality that is baffling slash alarming to me, so I guess I'll just have to wonder.

I still find it hilarious how Imoen's love interest is the random-rear end shopkeeper. I can't put my finger on exactly why, but it cracks me up every time.

Sandrah would almost make a bit more sense if she was a cleric of that goddess of hedonism that one of the temples was for, Sharess instead of Mystra...would at least give her a bit of in-character reason for sleeping with everything that moves. Not that even that could redeem her enough to make this less of a disaster mod.

Black Robe
Sep 12, 2017

Generic Magic User




I was aware she had a pet panther - all Sues are required to by law in this setting - but I was not expecting that portrait and now I am very scared.

The rest of this was just insanely tedious dreck. We're 40 updates in and we've been through enough plot to cover maybe four. Everything else has been NPC blather and very badly written sex and 99% of it has been focused entirely on Sandrah.

By popular demand
Jul 17, 2007

IT *BZZT* WASP ME--
IT WASP ME ALL *BZZT* ALONG!




Dehumanize yourself and face to the wordshed.

Ramc
May 4, 2008


cant let drizz't upstage her with his panther buddy. Also I think she's started tapping magic card art for portraits? Some of these look familiar.

Vichan
Oct 1, 2014

I'LL PUNISH YOU ACCORDING TO YOUR CRIME

Chapter XLI - Tututu, sleep, my little girl, sleep, tututu.

Lots of ground to cover this chapter, let's get started with Sandrah's PIDs.



:barf:




Sandrah's not like other priestesses. :smuggo:



She's also quite knowledgeable on the Time of Troubles.



At least you guys have the option of skipping over these, I have to suffer through all of them, screenshot them AND think of something to write on them... :(



Again Sandrah is two steps ahead of the plot. Ugh.



Yeah, if only...



Sandrah's been around, in more ways than one.



As said before Sandrah Saga is not the only mod to give extended content to Winski, BG1NPC also does this with Dynaheir's content.



:barf: :barf:



Now that I mention it, all this barfing has made me hungry.



Good thing there's a high-end restaurant just across the street!



With one exception I won't be listing non-party members' interjections here, they all act like you'd expect.



I knew helping out this lady would have its benefits!



If Coran is in the party he has this to say, it's so awful that it actually breaks the entire sequence. Go figure.



Seats are for the weak! :colbert:





It's quite a long meal.



We just passed 100K in gold so this is nothing to us.



Yummy.





Just next door is Clarissa's shop, Henning's here as well!



As expected. Let's see what Clarissa's selling.



The various mods I have installed already throw a lot of these around, now I can even buy some?

Anyway, that's all it is for this area, let's go back to the first Waterdeep area.



Jen'lig's not impressed by what he's seeing.



Shar-Teel definitely is. :heysexy:



The festhall is the only area we haven't checked out yet.



The decor is pretty...modern. Is that a-



:eyepop:





The collector teleports away right after this, we didn't even get a chance to check out his goods. :(

I decided to check out the sewers next, not much to talk about. It was filled with skeletons, blacktalon elites and...



Khattark! :argh:

We manage to take him down without too much effort.



This makes Shar-Teel melt.



Waukeen is grateful, too bad we're already swimming in gold.

Heading to the Waterdeep road...



Uh-oh.



Huh, thanks Elminster. :)

Speaking of the old coot, we still have some stuff to talk about with him. Let's go back to his house.



We quickly make our way to Mystra's altar in the garden.



Uhhh...



When we arrive at the tower...



Elminster? Winthrop!? GORION!?



After this lengthy conversation they disappear, the flashback is over.



Can you guys see where this is going? Vichan sure can't! :downs:

Next time we'll inform the temple of Khattark's demise and see if we can't wrap up our time in Waterdeep.

Vichan fucked around with this message at 11:57 on Nov 25, 2021

Zulily Zoetrope
Jun 1, 2011






Muldoon

...Are the PC and Imoen being written as extra stupid because Sandrah must be the smartest person in the room at all times, or are their conclusions accurate because the plot is just that stupid? I genuinely can't tell.

Leraika
Jun 14, 2015

slime time



ugh using your writing to justify sexual assault via your mouthpiece character who must be always right ugh

not gonna lie, I read the first text box and then just skipped out on the rest of the update because I couldn't take any more.

Black Robe
Sep 12, 2017

Generic Magic User




So what I'm getting from this is that Sandrah/Roxanne is actually perfectly aware that her actions are sexual assault, and just doesn't care.

Lovely.

Though honestly, I think CHARNAME is genuinely too stupid to meaningfully consent to anything anyway.

fluffyDeathbringer
Nov 1, 2017

it's not what you've got, it's what you make of it

quote:

At least you guys have the option of skipping over these, I have to suffer through all of them, screenshot them AND think of something to write on them...

I appreciate it, even if the baldur's gate context that makes this extra painful goes over my head

Cythereal
Nov 8, 2009



Black Robe posted:

Though honestly, I think CHARNAME is genuinely too stupid to meaningfully consent to anything anyway.

If you go by the game's non-modded writing, Charname is generally fairly intelligent. Not a genius or as educated as you might expect someone raised in Candlekeep to be, but there's very few cases of inexplicable stupidity and it's almost always used for comedy.

Sandrah just makes Charname dumb so they can't threaten to steal the show from Sandrah or spoil Roxanne's story.

Zulily Zoetrope
Jun 1, 2011






Muldoon

I think there's like two interactions in the entire series where I thought "all of these dialogue options suck" and they're minor enough that I don't even remember what they were.

The EEs add a bunch, but you can just tolerate the EE fan mods long enough to unlock Wilson and skedaddle. SoD also has some weird limitations, but those are more about not letting the PC be appropriately distrustful of the main villain of the storylin, and also a mysterious stranger voiced by David Warner, but at least the latter makes sense from a plot perspective.

Black Robe
Sep 12, 2017

Generic Magic User




Cythereal posted:

If you go by the game's non-modded writing, Charname is generally fairly intelligent. Not a genius or as educated as you might expect someone raised in Candlekeep to be, but there's very few cases of inexplicable stupidity and it's almost always used for comedy.

Sandrah just makes Charname dumb so they can't threaten to steal the show from Sandrah or spoil Roxanne's story.

Oh, yes, I very much meant Sandrahverse Charname.

Vichan
Oct 1, 2014

I'LL PUNISH YOU ACCORDING TO YOUR CRIME

Chapter XLII - Oh, how lucky I am to be loved by such two wonderful pussycats at once.

Time to finish up Waterdeep, bit first...



I can't wait to meet Angelo.



I think she's angry at me, but with Shar-Teel it's hard to tell.

Anyway, time to tell Ringholtal that we dealt with the bandits.





I have no idea what skill unlocked for her, nothing new was showing up.



Sandrah all but decides I will be a blood donor, oh well.



After we collect the body and the dagger...



Sandrah takes a lot of damage due to this, Vichan barely gets a scratch.





Looks like it worked, after an automatic rest we're right as rain.



Oooh, more gear for Sandrah, is it OP?



You bet your rear end it is, double damage bitches! :blastu:



Shar-Teel still has problems dealing with her emotions. She's getting better though.



...Maybe I spoke too soon.

There's some new PID options for Sandrah.



God, she's so humble!



What could this mean!?

I can also talk to Sandrah about me being a Bhaalspawn which I'm pretty sure I'm not supposed to do until we return to Candlekeep. Oh well.



Elminster's house has these items which I forgot to mention, we leave them alone for now. (The pipe weighs 3000lbs!)

And that's pretty much it for Waterdeep, at least for now! We're going to do some miscellaneous stuff around the Sword Coast and after that it's finally time to head for Baldur's Gate!





The house next to the Beregost smithy is first on our list. Nothing there aside from the operative. Strange.

While resting near the temple...





He's accompanied by about three other monks, they're all hasted but that doesn't save them.





What's so special about this book? We'd better get it to Finch fast!



Who writes poo poo like this?



We finally pick up our mace made just for me, of course I can't use it because I'm a Swashbuckler. :doh:



To rub salt in the wound Elminster upgrades it for us as soon as we leave the smithy. Gee, thanks.



Shar-Teel bellowing like an alligator is quite an image, let's go with that.



Kivan will be joining us again, possibly for the last time.



I think it's about time we put Viconia out to pasture. :farewell:

We head to Nashkel to visit Finch...



...es?



I had this conversation twice, I hope it doesn't break anything.

With all that done we're going to be heading north to Baldur's Gate, starting with the area just south of it where we previously picked up Ajantis.



Some of those options are just cruel...



Oh, for gently caress's sake...



I'll say it again, BG1NPC Kivan might be bad but this poo poo is just offensive...



Chipper fellow, this Kivan.



This one I like, at least.



Not a fan of Shar-Teel's romance...



Ah, the three fishermen. That's a nice quest.



Sandrah's got it figured out...



...In no small part because of the shard.



Just before heading to Baldur's Gate proper we meet this mage, he doesn't want the egg we've been carrying around. Guess we'll have to find another person to deal with it. Why Jen'lig is not an option I'll never understand.



:gonk:

Next time we'll see if we can't press on to Baldur's Gate.

Vichan fucked around with this message at 01:56 on Nov 7, 2021

TheGreatEvilKing
Mar 28, 2016







I'm still lost as to the "plot" of Sandrah Saga aside from sucking everything into Sandrah's galing hole and something about a demon? And Elminster?

Mod is absolutely poo poo.

Zulily Zoetrope
Jun 1, 2011






Muldoon

Not sure about the demons of it all, but I think most of the build-up we've had so far is for the absolutely mind-blowing twist that her Bhaalspawn sister is actually Imoen.

E: added spoiler warning

System Metternich
Feb 28, 2010

But what did he mean by that?



Still lolling at Sandrah, the Mariest of all Sues who probably slept with half of Faerun at this point, has sex with multiple people every day and apprenticed in a literal brothel considering herself "not experienced in the art of making love"

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Black Robe
Sep 12, 2017

Generic Magic User




Vichan posted:

Who writes poo poo like this?

Why, Roxanne of course :v:

i regret nothing

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