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HIerakonpolis sounds exceedingly Egyptian, doesn't it? The Ancient Egyptian name is apparently known, it was named Nekhen. Does this mean we'll stick around for the hellenistic era?
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Then it's a really odd name choice. By the way, does the game get seriously into getting your copper and other metals to alloy into it or is it abstracted away?
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Jan 23, 2021 00:48
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I'm rather amused that fields appeared only after the second wave of barracks. There's a certain clash between the pleasant art style and the focus on developing and using the military there.
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Jan 28, 2021 23:27
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Oh, I suspect it's one of what I suspect to be the three actually important resources, military, religion points and science points.
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Jan 29, 2021 01:08
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Picked it up as well, I wonder how well it is sanitized since I remember the Egyptians having a number of interesting beliefs, and I deeply feel the hole made by a lack of a Mesopotamian equivalent, if only to see if devs would spell hierogamy straight and with dignity or waffle about with half said things.
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Jan 30, 2021 02:16
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Since you don't appear to know, and really you shouldn't because it's counter intuitive and probably a bug, despite the red line of text telling you that a blessing is already in effect, you can double up, triple up on the Seth blessing once a round, so long as it is only once a round, and the shields stack up normally, it might be counter productive when you look at further technologies which reduce worship cost linearly, leading to you having paid more for the privilege of not checking that drat counter once a round. I find that blessing mechanism really annoying, personally. On the not a bug front: that flat terrain modifier for houses can get upgraded (at least in one of the more construction modes) and provides a +50% housing bonus, and I can't get enough of it. On the probably a bug front, regions can get negative population, which is a little, yeah, I'm getting it pretty often too, I hate it. Putting a worker on them literally makes them produce negative resources, it's amazing.
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Feb 5, 2021 00:15
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Now, now, we'll soon be moving into more solid pharaohs we're more sure actually existed, the next one apparently existed enough for two people. Those dark ages are always a pain in the behind, you know there's stuff happening, the situation going in and going out is radically different, and yet the best you can say is that there may have been an entity called, perhaps, so and so, that did such and such, because now people moved from the highlands to the lowlands and started building dry masonry walls to shoulder up hillside terrain and create flatter surfaces to work on, the material culture changed, pottery is not decorated the same way, ingots don't have the same shape. Also they went from one state to many, or from many to one. At least this one isn't as frustrating as the late bronze age Greek dark age, maybe they forgot how to write, since they didn't have the organizations that required that anymore? (Since we only really found accounting and a little justice in writing, we know the name of people through IOUs and taxes due, but not the names of kings.) Or maybe during that period they started using less preservable writing support, and also started cribbing from the Phoenician alphabet, not like that was a bad decision. That's a long time from now from the perspective of Scorpions I and II, though.
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Mar 6, 2021 05:21
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Bronze age Greece was a big mess but also a bit generic brand, you have accountants and slavery, kings and tombs, gods and (some human) sacrifices (including a few we don't hear that much of later, although for many that's just odd later readings of what gods were worshiped there, for example despite Artemis being a nominal patron deity of Sparta, there's pretty solid evidence that that's just other greeks overlaying that name on another local potnia theron and the syncretism itself happening later for the sanctuaries, but that's what you get with polytheism that's pretty fluid, hello Zagreus), you don't get fun things like Hierogamy in Mesopotamia, or warriors washing their teeth with their own piss to scare their enemies in battle, like among the Celts (with really is a generic brand term if there was one, now that more digging and research is being done).
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Mar 7, 2021 18:44
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Because while I imagine it's not particularly pleasant in any way to be against that guy in an infantry or chariotry battle, it might be a bit destabilizing when you have to walk up to the guy and bellow a challenge in his face and have one bellowed back for more ritualized duels, if you weren't also doing it. Maybe it was more about scaring the little people, maybe it was just weird poo poo societies do, those don't really have to make sense in their present form.
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Mar 8, 2021 19:57
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The really important thing about screaming and going into battle naked is that it mostly doesn't happen, and is a myth used by the other guys to describe you as a bunch of barbaric murderers. When it does happen there's a series of elements such as: going without armor doesn't mean going entirely without armor it means you left some at the camp because it's loving hot as hell right now, see Gaul mercenaries for Carthage (Gaul invented mail armor which was pretty popular for like 15 to 20 centuries after that) and Crusaders in the Middle-East (Oh god I'm melting, I'll remove some because both me and my horse are cooking alive right now) or also West African cultures (it's too loving hot for that, a helmet, a textile cuirass and a shield that's often more of a parrying stick will do, because you gotta march for hours and then fight while wearing that and holding a spear) or also you're a poor (financially), well, poor, such as a Greek gymnetes, you're light infantry, you have clothes, a wicker and leather shield, a thing to cover your head with and poo poo to lob at the other guys, congratulations, be sure to run behind your heavy infantry when you're done, fear enemy cavalry like nothing else. Or there's the case where the armor isn't worth poo poo and your other options are limited, you're for example a Zulu, well, I'm sure someone is dreaming up some magical ritual, like the heavenly kingdom fighters sometimes did, but mostly you're gonna be half naked, because the weather doesn't bother you and clothes just make the bullets dirtier, you might also be some fully -clothed poor sod in many occasions such as early WW1, and some not so early WW1.
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Mar 9, 2021 01:15
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Personally I'm going to doubt it outside of ritualized behaviour, and even the most credible sources of the times could be vulnerable to, well, being secondary sources. In short, I don't know, but from looking at other people across the rest of time and how they behaved, I'm gonna doubt it.
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Mar 9, 2021 03:16
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And Narmer, this guy probably existed, because we have a trace of his existence from his own time and not from several centuries later, like that Spartan dude.
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Apr 7, 2021 23:51
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The answer to those inconsistencies is, obviously, aliens.
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Apr 17, 2021 02:15
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You forgot to put the link mentionned at 7:38 in the description of the video. 
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Jun 1, 2021 01:19
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I think it's both a gameplay thing and a representation of the fact that the tomb complexes are basically small temples to the people interred within and need to be manned and maintained both for upkeep and sacrifices. Which perhaps include smashing glassware and ivory carvings, for gameplay purposes. Also Hyperborean barbarian heroes turn up every 6 months and steal a giant diamond or something.
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Jun 8, 2021 02:04
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Yeah, food is really the thing that gets me every time, especially if I try to play the endless mode since it has that nasty mode that reverses population growth, and yes, negative population does produce negative resources.
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Jun 15, 2021 22:37
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In my opinion, in those situations when we don't know what happened they should just use little grey men as stand-ins. To be honest, now I'm wondering what I'd put in if I was making a game that spanned across the Greek dark age. "And the grey men came and pointed beams of light at our kings, and so they fell to ashes, and so they told us that we now would have assemblies at all times and that all would vote, except slaves and foreigners and women, those don't count." But on the other hand there were already senates and archontates in various places in Crete and Greece (and perhaps Cyprus, since we know embarrassingly little about Cyprus). SIGSEGV fucked around with this message at 02:22 on Jun 24, 2021 |
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Jun 24, 2021 02:17
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Phenomenal luck, I wouldn't recommend trying your chance in a lottery right now. Historical accuracy is getting quite spotty. The standard of Ur reminds me of (most likely ceremonial) shields decorated in similar ways from continental Greece in the Bronze Age and Greek Dark Age that are divided between a scene of war and a scene of peace. Consider also Homer's description of the shield of Achilles. I've been reading a little about Ancient Egyptian myth (or myths, really) and I have to say, I have a lot of commentaries to make about Hesiod (and apparently, according to Paul Veyne, so did the Greek lower classes) and while the Seth / Horus ("the younger" if applicable in your nome's local myth) fight is good and honest fun for the whole family, some of the other myths are quite a bit shameless and obvious in the "know your place, peasant" dimension. (Like, just for example, the whole Geb trying to rape his mother thing. No, the God-king is still a God-king even if he's bad, he's actually good, Atoum confirms it, just deal with it.) I do like the fact that Egyptian myth is a giant mess because the lack of standardization of the stories and genealogies possibly indicates things regarding the way that religion formed itself.
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Jul 29, 2021 03:49
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It's good that you're getting better as we head into the bronze age collapse, also the other collapse.
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Sep 27, 2021 10:23
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There was a weird black screen before the Palermo Stone showed up. The Inefficiency event seems to me a lot like "oh hey, here's some justification for a little game balance, see you later!"
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Nov 10, 2021 03:14
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They could have gone with "actual resource storage doesn't really work that way and you don't really need it anymore, so here's a debuff, address your bags of poo poo in protest to XXX XXX XXX" but that would be a little too much. Although I'm not sure it would have been, I think the game could benefit from having several writing styles in it, one being a teacher, one to give the ancient Egyptian point of view and one for explaining the game elements of the game outside of the historical context. We're already working in 4 year steps and have broken actual history once in order to make playing the same city stick, telling us outright that this sort of resource pooling is no longer available now that the great pyramid era is over shouldn't hurt the game.
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Nov 10, 2021 03:51
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I agree with Narmer being the first known emperor by the definition of "Hey you fucks over there as opposed to over here, with sort of different cultures and so on, give me your money and or resources as I occupy your territory." even if the ancienter Egyptians shared a lot of culture, I'm not sure I'd call it homogeneous and after all if the Delian League counts as one, I don't see how Narmer's wouldn't. Oh, by the way, Sargon's name, a regnal name to be clear, means "the king is legitimate" which leads a lot of assyriologists to think he definitely was an usurper, evidently pretty good at it too. E: As for Pepi II, he might indeed have had little choice in the matter, not everyone is Louis XIV. (Which is also a good thing, I suppose.) SIGSEGV fucked around with this message at 00:46 on Nov 23, 2021 |
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Sea people have been using some pretty sweaty build orders there, it has to be a 6 pool I think. (The Sea Peoples should pop up around, I think, the third intermediate period, which is around the LBAC, when Egypt is a vassal state of the Neo-Assyrians, and I think the only loyal vassal in the unified Middle East freeing itself from the Neo-Assyrians because good heavens what terrible people they were.) (So maybe they'll show up in the right place in a theoretical Egypt: New Kingdom game.)
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