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GreenNight
Feb 19, 2006
Turning the light on the darkest places, you and I know we got to face this now. We got to face this now.

This was the weirdest episode. Cool that two 16 year olds double teamed a hooker, I guess.

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pressedbunny
May 31, 2007

To A Brand New Galaxy
They're only 16 when they are in school corridors and class rooms. In all other places, every character is very definitely 18+. Sssh, don't question it.

The writers' horniness has completely worn thin for me. I don't know what watching Betty rub one out was meant to achieve, other than a showrunner's erection. The Sabrina stuff was cute, though, and it's nice that Josie's popped back in for the end, even if her spoken word act is tedious.
I'm desperate for the next episode to even vaguely advance the core plot. Sunk cost fallacy is being pushed to the absolute limit here. I have a growing feeling we're never going to know why the Milkman killed Ethel's parents and that writer, nor what the interchangeable miserable old guys had to do with it.

Shoehead
Sep 28, 2005

Wassup, Choom?
Ya need sumthin'?
They kept cutting to flashbacks at the start of the episode and for a brief instant of horror thought that the 4th last episode was going to be a clip show

scourgeofthe7bees
Jun 21, 2008


There is no core plot to Archie comics—it’s a series of vignettes that don’t connect to each other and as such, this adaptation is some kinda trolly genius.

Horndog Archie making a public play for a married teacher and bombing hard was so good

cant cook creole bream
Aug 15, 2011
I think Fahrenheit is better for weather
So, after not bothering with it for half a dozen episodes they just settle all overarching plot hooks in one episode with some really convenient revelations? I will finish the last few episodes, but this show has made some really odd decisions over the years.

pressedbunny
May 31, 2007

To A Brand New Galaxy
Yeah, I wanted answers, but I wasn't expecting all the answers to fit neatly in ~33% of an episode with no loose ends (as far as I remember), and still with two(?) episodes to go.
Still, I enjoyed that much more than most of this season, I'm glad Ethel got her happy ending, and it looks like cosmic annihilation's back on the menu. I'm more hopeful for the final push than I was last week.

Though I can't take anything with Archie remotely seriously anymore. Every time he's on the screen, all I can think of is him and Reggie trying to not make eye contact. (Or perhaps making a lot of eye contact; whatever works for them, it's cool.) That scene has completely destroyed the series' most important character for me, forever. It's hilarious, but I can't get over it. If I ever rewatch this series, that first season is going to be an all-too explicit mindfuck.

Shoehead
Sep 28, 2005

Wassup, Choom?
Ya need sumthin'?
Woah they really did that

cant cook creole bream
Aug 15, 2011
I think Fahrenheit is better for weather
Okay, I gotta admit, this episode was kind of cute. The framestory is a mess of nonsense, but I did like this. As far as semiseriesfinals go, this was nice. But I could totally see how someone would consider it self-indulgend.

But I was a bit surprised when Dilton showed up. He's not exactly core cast. What exactly did he see in his editorialized cut?

Pinterest Mom
Jun 9, 2009

Vulture has a fun roundtable with the cast it's a pro-read. I screenshotted seven excerpts and sent them to three different friends.

pressedbunny
May 31, 2007

To A Brand New Galaxy
As mostly-shite as this season has been, it's picked up when it's really needed to and I'm really looking forward to both the final episode and my inevitable rewatch. I appreciate that even the characters themselves now canonically think the past seasons were batshit; the good, the bad... the bear.

Also, holy gently caress Uncle Frank and Tom Keller. I really hope that doesn't get mentioned next week at all, it's just one last sudden wham for the hell of it.

Roach Warehouse
Nov 1, 2010


I’m still a couple of eps behind, but I was really keen on the concept of this season but have mixed feelings on the execution.

I think the previous season introducing proper supernatural stuff was the show’s biggest misstep, so I was glad to see that be walked back (time displacement notwithstanding), and doing a Riverdale take on “classic Archie” is a really fun idea.

That said, I think the lack of strong narrative through line has been to the season’s detriment, and the thematic through line of social commentary kind of loses its teeth when set against the backdrop of 70ish years ago. Like obviously racism, etc still exist but Riverdale isn’t sharing any great insights on these issues. “50s teens think civil rights is good, and the 50s era adults think it is bad” is pretty safe and gets dull after the first few variations. And while it’s been a lot of fun to rerun some of the show’s interpersonal arcs in the peppy 50s, it’s not really enough to sustain a full season alone.

Shoehead
Sep 28, 2005

Wassup, Choom?
Ya need sumthin'?
This season has been super strong on characterisation and character moments, (like every time Archie was the biggest dumbest idiot ever) while the overarching plot was just awful. I was really let down by it as well, even if I probably laughed more at this season than others.

Also Midge is still in the convent, please go help her you guys! You know about the secret tunnel now!

Crawdad
Feb 26, 2016
Ugggghhhh, this last episode was so bad and boring. There were three other episodes that would have been much more appropriate series-enders, the season 4/5 graduation episode where Archie joins the army and they all part ways, the season 6 finale with the comet and the slingshot to the 50s, heck, even the episode just prior to this one would have been a more satisfying ending than this extremely repetitive uninteresting dreck. Archie's poem was painful to sit through.

I love this show and I'm sad it's over but they really did me a favor by making this last season so unexciting that I won't be pining for new episodes.

The Vosgian Beast
Aug 13, 2011

Business is slow
I was really really worried there we were going to get CGI Luke Perry, and I'm so glad we didn't.

Annabel Pee
Dec 29, 2008
I found some of it pretty boring but tbh its classic Riverdale with everything I'd want from a Riverdale finale, a six feet under knockoff, Archie reading horrible poems, the foursome, "jughead's funhouse". I wouldn't have wanted anything else.

cant cook creole bream
Aug 15, 2011
I think Fahrenheit is better for weather
It was certainly boring. I watched the episode on my phone during a flight after preloading it, so i had literally nothing better to do. But it still felt like a waste of time. Some fun stuff though.

Poor Dilton. When they watched their memories everyone j remembered how little they ever cared for him, so he didn't get invited to the poetry and didn't even get a resolution. Except that he seems to have died at some point. In the end he was so elated to see his old friend Betty but while she hugged everyone else enthusiastically, she just placed her hand on his shoulder as if to say "Yeah, that's fine. No need to get up... Dolward?"

Lilly Reinhard is a genuinely good actress with great facial expressions, so I hope she will get some good gigs after this. The rest of the cast were fine.

cant cook creole bream fucked around with this message at 23:41 on Aug 24, 2023

SilentChaz
Oct 5, 2011

Sorry, I'm quite busy at the moment.
lmao, in the extended finale they kill off Sheriff Keller and Coach Andrews by having them pick up a hustler in the woods, who kills them. The hustler? Betty's brother Chic. Meanwhile, Nana Rose gets reincarnated "several times", Julian dies in Vietnam and Principal Weatherbee gets married to Miss Thornton.

Can't believe this show aired for seven loving seasons and even with Archie, Betty, Veronica and Jughead in an actual polycule we still didn't see Archie and Jughead kiss. Cowards.

cant cook creole bream
Aug 15, 2011
I think Fahrenheit is better for weather
Those scenes were supposed to be deleted? I guess someone on Netflix messed up.
Also yeah, I bet Cole Spruce was the one who refused a male kiss. He seems like a total buzzkill.

SilentChaz
Oct 5, 2011

Sorry, I'm quite busy at the moment.

cant cook creole bream posted:

Those scenes were supposed to be deleted? I guess someone on Netflix messed up.
Also yeah, I bet Cole Spruce was the one who refused a male kiss. He seems like a total buzzkill.

I think those scenes were only deleted for broadcast in North America 'cause there was no way they were giving Riverdale an extra few minutes for the finale just to throw off the schedule for the night.

Pinterest Mom
Jun 9, 2009

Making Uncle Frank and Sheriff Keller gay in the second-to-last episode in order to facilitate them getting killed by a serial killer cruising in the woods in the very next episode...... that's riverdale baby

pressedbunny
May 31, 2007

To A Brand New Galaxy

SilentChaz posted:

Can't believe this show aired for seven loving seasons and even with Archie, Betty, Veronica and Jughead in an actual polycule we still didn't see Archie and Jughead kiss. Cowards.
I was squealing in anticipation when Betty was explaining to Reggie... damnit, you chickens.


I'm not going to blame anyone for being bored—it's teen drama 101 that all the characters will fall out of touch but end up rich and famous in their dream careers—but I loved the whole thing. They went for maximum cheese, and that's what this show deserves.
Starting right off the bat with old Betty reading Jughead's obituary was interesting framing (love that actress nailing Lili's exact cadence and mannerisms), and once Kevin dropped the quad bomb, I knew I was going to love the rest of it. gently caress it, everyone is endgame. Technically I got my B&V wish! Nana Rose gets reincarnated and out-lives everyone! 60s Cheryl's horrific blue eyeshadow! Archie's poem, which... he shouldn't have been able to write and most of the characters shouldn't understand because Angel Tabitha wiped the bad parts out of their future-past memories literally one episode ago, but I loved that, too. I'm a sucker for in-canon self-awareness, and if any show should have a character basically read off a list of everything stupid in the show, it's this one. And they finally sourced a 50s-styled Strat for Fangs to carry, for three seconds of screentime.

I really wanted them to end at Pop's. I adore that set. Just from a purely photographic point of view, I think the way they film and light it make it the most beautiful set I've ever seen on television. I cried when they were at his grave, and I absolutely lost it once Betty got to the afterlife diner. I can't remember crying like this at any other TV show.

Riverdale is so loving stupid, and this last season has predominantly been terrible. But it has brought me a lot of joy for six-and-a-bit years, and if it could somehow carry on for another six years, I'd gladly keep watching it. It's loving stupid, but it's extremely well-made loving stupid, and I love loving stupid.

... but for fucks sake, Archie and Jughead really should've made out.

Roach Warehouse
Nov 1, 2010


Just finished it. Good/great/terrible show, better than it had any right to be based on both the concept and what it did. Its gonna leave a big hole in my tv watching schedule.

Crawdad
Feb 26, 2016

pressedbunny posted:


... but for fucks sake, Archie and Jughead really should've made out.

Agreed! Although I did appreciate the earlier two episodes where Archie and Reggie declare their (platonic?) love for each other, tv shows didn't used to be able to do that.

Open Source Idiom
Jan 4, 2013

Crawdad posted:

Agreed! Although I did appreciate the earlier two episodes where Archie and Reggie declare their (platonic?) love for each other, tv shows didn't used to be able to do that.

I literally just saw this happen in the first episode of Hercules, and that aired in 1994.

Pinterest Mom
Jun 9, 2009

Open Source Idiom posted:

I literally just saw this happen in the first episode of Hercules, and that aired in 1994.

Did they also crank it to gay porn together and then explore each other's bodies in Hercules in 1994 beforehand.

Open Source Idiom
Jan 4, 2013

Pinterest Mom posted:

Did they also crank it to gay porn together and then explore each other's bodies in Hercules in 1994 beforehand.

I mean, it's Hercules. The answer is yes.

(The conversation is literally "can you ever love a woman as much as you love me" lmao. It's very queer. Though it's not explicitly gay, no.)

Shoehead
Sep 28, 2005

Wassup, Choom?
Ya need sumthin'?
This was the dumbest show I've ever watched, some of it was bafflingly stupid, some of it made zero sense, some of it was incredibly funny. It feels weird to send off a show like this this way... In that it's totally in character for this show to have Narrator Jughead show up to ancient Betty to tell her and us what happened to everyone, but because time reset at the end of last season, I really feel like we only got to know these new characters for about 20 episodes, so it felt very emotionally dissonant to me.

I think it was a real loving misstep to give everyone their memories back so late, I really would have loved an episode or two of everyone getting to grips with their new reality. Like lemme see what happens when Archie bumps into Mrs. Grundy again, Fangs and Tony could maybe have talked about how they had a child together... with Kevin! Remembering your dad was a serial killer and your friend is your cousin. Stuff like that would have been fun.

Though I did like that Veronica used some of her future knowledge to "scout" talent, and Lili Reinhard is really good at playing a sweet old lady

Open Source Idiom
Jan 4, 2013
My friend lied to me and told me there was a bear attack in the finale. I spent the entire episode waiting for it, and honestly kind of believed it could still happen right up until the closing few seconds of the episode. Mortified.

Also lol that the show (apparently) introduced a polycule just before one ad break and had them break up not two ad breaks later. Also the way the show cut from the lady gays kissing on one side of the table to the man gays sitting on the other side, not kissing. lmfao

gently caress you Riverdale!

pressedbunny
May 31, 2007

To A Brand New Galaxy

Shoehead posted:

and Lili Reinhard is really good at playing a sweet old lady
That wasn't Lili, it was... *checks*... Michele Scarabelli, who it seems is really good at nailing someone else's mannerisms.

Open Source Idiom posted:

Also the way the show cut from the lady gays kissing on one side of the table to the man gays sitting on the other side, not kissing. lmfao
It's a sad rule of TV that boys kissing boys is icky but girls kissing girls should get as many soft focus, slow motion, gratuitous, extended close-ups as the running time allows for.

I didn't really take it in when I watched it, but now that I've had a couple of days removed from it, Jughead's line about Cheryl and Toni living "sexy" lives was really gross and I can't imagine why anyone thought he should say that.

pressedbunny fucked around with this message at 18:00 on Aug 27, 2023

Shoehead
Sep 28, 2005

Wassup, Choom?
Ya need sumthin'?

pressedbunny posted:

That wasn't Lili, it was... *checks*... Michele Scarabelli, who it seems is really good at nailing someone else's mannerisms.

It's a sad rule of TV that boys kissing boys is icky but girls kissing girls should get as many soft focus, slow motion, gratuitous, extended close-ups as the running time allows for.

I didn't really take it in when I watched it, but now that I've had a couple of days removed from it, Jughead's line about Cheryl and Toni living "sexy" lives was really gross and I can't imagine why anyone thought he should say that.

Oh she was great too but I mean Lili playing old Betty in the 50's, she had a little more of a grandmotherly edge to her voice

Eej
Jun 17, 2007

HEAVYARMS
Ok I finally sat down and watched the last half of this season all in one go and that was awwwwful. It was masturbatory in more ways than one, with all the musicals and solving racism and homophobia. Dr Wertham who never actually said he wanted to censor comic books and was known for opening a psychiatric clinic for poor black people and being cited in the Supreme Court case that desegregated public schools is reduced to Dr Werthers a pedophile child psychiatrist.

The finale was apparently written and directed by Roberto Aguirre-Sacasa and I think he's doing a lot of projecting his own anxieties about aging. Like Betty's life peaked at 17 years old and everything and everyone after is a pale shadow of her time in high school? Nobody kept in touch with each other despite having lived two lifetimes and becoming adults that did the first time around? Somehow Archie and Betty ended up raising families they loved but their version of heaven in Pop's Diner excludes them lol

Roach Warehouse
Nov 1, 2010


Eej posted:


The finale was apparently written and directed by Roberto Aguirre-Sacasa and I think he's doing a lot of projecting his own anxieties about aging. Like Betty's life peaked at 17 years old and everything and everyone after is a pale shadow of her time in high school? Nobody kept in touch with each other despite having lived two lifetimes and becoming adults that did the first time around? Somehow Archie and Betty ended up raising families they loved but their version of heaven in Pop's Diner excludes them lol

I know they were going for a symbolic/vibes-based happy hereafter thing, but I couldn’t stop laughing at how firmly the final couple episodes refused to acknowledge that fangs and Toni had a stable relationship and a child (who became an adult man due to magic) together.

Eej
Jun 17, 2007

HEAVYARMS
I only remembered the part where Kevin kidnapped their child and was going to raise him as his own I totally forgot about the magically aged child of destiny

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Shneak
Mar 6, 2015

A sad Professor Plum
sitting on a toilet.
I'm very late to the Riverdale funeral but I just finished the finale.

That... was an episode of TV! One last shoutout to Lili Reinhart and her acting for making me cry when the writing didn't. S7 was definitely my least favourite season. It felt lobotomized. The show was supposed to be so bad it's good. This year was just boring. I liked the concept in theory but it's like they became self aware that they went off the rails and tried to fix it at the worst time. Why did the 1930s last the ENTIRE season? I need to know why they decided that because that did not seem to be in the cards at first. I know Riverdale isn't the first piece of fiction to go to when you want a time paradox plot but this was almost literally a hand wave. Tabitha saved everybody and they all survived but they still couldn't go back to the future? Okay.

I think my biggest issue with S7 was a Ship of Theseus dilemma. These were the same actors and same names but they didn't feel like the same characters. In the end they're watching their memories on a TV and not recognizing themselves and they live and die in a very different world.

Love how this show wrote itself into a corner with all the 'endgame' stuff only for it to end in a foursome with them never being in the same place again after high school :lol:

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