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Ornery and Hornery
Oct 22, 2020

thinking about privacy, security, and keeping myself from being the product.

got a nice book on the to-do list but there's a bunch of other books ahead of it plus some real world stuff I need to do deal with.

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Zapf Dingbat
Jan 9, 2001


Ornery and Hornery posted:

thinking about privacy, security, and keeping myself from being the product.

got a nice book on the to-do list but there's a bunch of other books ahead of it plus some real world stuff I need to do deal with.

What's the book?

Ornery and Hornery
Oct 22, 2020

Zapf Dingbat posted:

What's the book?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Age_of_Surveillance_Capitalism

Excited!

tight aspirations
Jul 13, 2009

Where should I be looking for good blocklists for pihole?

Powered Descent
Jul 13, 2008

We haven't had that spirit here since 1969.

tight aspirations posted:

Where should I be looking for good blocklists for pihole?

I've been using Dan Pollock's list for a zillion years now. It causes a crapload of ads and malware to simply cease to exist.

Here it is in 0.0.0.0 hosts-file format, which seems to be the default pihole format: https://someonewhocares.org/hosts/zero/hosts

cage-free egghead
Mar 8, 2004
I love that the very first site on that list is goatse

Ornery and Hornery
Oct 22, 2020

Powered Descent posted:

I've been using Dan Pollock's list for a zillion years now. It causes a crapload of ads and malware to simply cease to exist.

Here it is in 0.0.0.0 hosts-file format, which seems to be the default pihole format: https://someonewhocares.org/hosts/zero/hosts

What are blocklists and piholes

deletebeepbeepbeep
Nov 12, 2008

Ornery and Hornery posted:

What are blocklists and piholes

Pi-hole is a piece of software that you can install on a Raspberry Pi to block all ads on your home network. A Raspberry P i is a simple credit card sized computer (costing around £100) that people use for Pi-hole, or to run Linux or retro gaming emulators.

Powered Descent
Jul 13, 2008

We haven't had that spirit here since 1969.

Ornery and Hornery posted:

What are blocklists and piholes

A blocklist is just a list of domain names (Internet sites, essentially) that you'd rather your computer not even be able to talk to. (For example, sites that serve up ads on webpages.) You can make a list yourself from scratch, but there are already a lot of pre-made ones that will be a lot more complete than you could ever hope to put together on your own. Use an ad-blocking list that's big enough, and most of the ads on the Internet simply disappear.

So how do you use one of these lists? A simple way do it on one computer at a time is to put them into the hosts file giving each one an incorrect IP address such as 0.0.0.0. So when your computer displays a webpage for you and sees that there's supposed to be an image file at the top that's hosted on scummy-marketing.com, then (assuming that site is in your blocklist) it won't be able to contact the real site and will simply leave that area blank. Practical upshot: ads are blocked on your computer.

That's great for one computer at a time. But you can also set things up to provide that blocking to every device on your local network, including things like tablets or smart TVs (on which you probably can't even get to the hosts file anyway). Pi-hole is a good way to accomplish this. A Raspberry Pi is just a very small low-spec computer that's geared toward hobby use, and Pi-hole is an application you can run on it which turns it into a DNS server for your local network. Since its reason for existing is to block ads and such, it gives out an invalid address for any site you've told it to block. Practical upshot: ads are gone on all your devices.

And many of these lists don't just block ads, they also block sites known to harbor malware, hijacks, spyware, etc. Having a good blocklist is a good security measure.


e: Beaten but I went into more detail. :)

Powered Descent fucked around with this message at 22:05 on Jun 16, 2022

Ornery and Hornery
Oct 22, 2020

Those are delightful, easy to understand, and comprehensive answers. Thank you.

Quaint Quail Quilt
Jun 19, 2006


Ask me about that time I told people mixing bleach and vinegar is okay
I'll have to try that list out on my pihole.

I also use an on sale lifetime family plan of
https://adguard.com/en/welcome.html
For mobile.

BlankSystemDaemon
Mar 13, 2009



According to the specifications and various implementations, getting an NXDOMAIN on a query means that query won't be attempted again (until a timeout has passed, at any rate).
This has pretty profound implications when doing blocklists, and is what makes it advantageous to use unbound/nsd/bind instead of simply modifying a hosts file to resolve addresses to 0.0.0.0.

Another advantage of unbound/nsd/bind is that if you're tunneling your traffic from your mobile device to your home network, it also gets to avoid all of the ads without paying for it.

I'm pretty sure this isn't exclusive to FreeBSD, if you avoid following the FreeBSD-exclusive steps.

Mega Comrade
Apr 22, 2004

Listen buddy, we all got problems!

deletebeepbeepbeep posted:

Pi-hole is a piece of software that you can install on a Raspberry Pi to block all ads on your home network. A Raspberry P i is a simple credit card sized computer (costing around £100) that people use for Pi-hole, or to run Linux or retro gaming emulators.

£100? Even the 8gb model pi4 only costs £75. For a Pi-hole the basic £35 model is more than enough, hell pick up an older second hand pi2/3 off ebay for £10 and it will work just as well.

Zapf Dingbat
Jan 9, 2001


I'm starting to get a little paranoid about the whole privacy thing. Sometimes I feel like a doomsday prepper but with the world getting worse, corporations getting more and more powerful, and their cooperation with the state pretty drat complete, should you just completely trust all this surveillance? I live in a southern state. Who knows what will be illegal next?

I'm having trouble keeping my Mikrotik router connected to my VPN service either through OpenVPN or Wireguard, but I know that that brand wasn't necessarily designed for this kind of thing. I like Mikrotik but I've always had trouble with tunnels and encryption. I have a PFSense firewall on the way, so maybe that'll be better. I'd at least get some peace of mind with edge of ISP security anyway.

I've also been slowly de-Googling, at least as much as you can when you have an Android. Otherwise, cookie cleaners, as little social media as I can, a self-hosted password manager... I guess I'll figure out when enough is enough.

Rexxed
May 1, 2010

Dis is amazing!
I gotta try dis!

Mega Comrade posted:

£100? Even the 8gb model pi4 only costs £75. For a Pi-hole the basic £35 model is more than enough, hell pick up an older second hand pi2/3 off ebay for £10 and it will work just as well.

The Pi foundation is suffering from supply chain issues and scalpers buying a lot of the output so they're no longer what they should be pricewise. That said, Pi-hole can be run on other hardware.

Zapf Dingbat
Jan 9, 2001


Rexxed posted:

The Pi foundation is suffering from supply chain issues and scalpers buying a lot of the output so they're no longer what they should be pricewise. That said, Pi-hole can be run on other hardware.

Yeah, I have it running in a VM on my home server. It really is pretty turnkey.

Wayne Knight
May 11, 2006

I use https://nextdns.io/ and pay them $20/year. One less device for me to manage, and I can easily benefit on my cell phone outside of the house with their app.

The Bananana
May 21, 2008

This is a metaphor, a Christian allegory. The fact that I have to explain to you that Jesus is the Warthog, and the Banana is drepanocytosis is just embarrassing for you.



Is this a good thread for discussing and getting more info on selecting and using a VPN provider?

cage-free egghead
Mar 8, 2004

The Bananana posted:

Is this a good thread for discussing and getting more info on selecting and using a VPN provider?

For sure! It gets brought up a little bit on various parts of the forums but it’s usually for region locked type of stuff and not privacy and security.

The Bananana
May 21, 2008

This is a metaphor, a Christian allegory. The fact that I have to explain to you that Jesus is the Warthog, and the Banana is drepanocytosis is just embarrassing for you.



Oh, awesome. Well... what's a good VPN, for normal use... I don't run like a home business or do anything that needs extra security measures. Im just doing like home banking and making purchases, etc, and wanting to keep my data safe. I'm in the u.s.
I don't care about "region locked" content.

cage-free egghead
Mar 8, 2004

The Bananana posted:

Oh, awesome. Well... what's a good VPN, for normal use... I don't run like a home business or do anything that needs extra security measures. Im just doing like home banking and making purchases, etc, and wanting to keep my data safe. I'm in the u.s.
I don't care about "region locked" content.

The nice thing about modern browsing is that any site that uses HTTPS means that that traffic is encrypted. Your ISP and certain network sniffers (like your router) will only see that you visited for instance US Bank’s site but none of the specifics. Most browsers indicate this through a lock icon in your address bar and clicking on that can show more detailed information regarding the security certificate that helps prove they are who they say they are.

Obviously more info than what most people need but your biggest threats in that vector are going to be sites that pose as legit ones. Most browsers will prevent you from accessing non HTTPS websites and some will even explicitly say that the site is trying to pose as a real one.

In your case a VPN isn’t going to give you any more protection than what you’ve already got. All it would do is pass the receipt of your traffic to the VPN provider and your ISP now just sees you’re connected to the VPN.

Not only that but many services will flag some IP addresses from VPN providers (because they get shared with other users using that provider as well) for additional security checks and or flat out block you from accessing the site.

My best recommendation for your use case is to make sure you’re using a reputable browser that’s up to date, an adblocker extension called Ublock Origin, and keeping an eye on links in emails or redirects from other pages. I.e. just go to usbank.com instead of clicking the convenient link from your email when they send you something.

Powered Descent
Jul 13, 2008

We haven't had that spirit here since 1969.

The Bananana posted:

Oh, awesome. Well... what's a good VPN, for normal use... I don't run like a home business or do anything that needs extra security measures. Im just doing like home banking and making purchases, etc, and wanting to keep my data safe. I'm in the u.s.
I don't care about "region locked" content.

Mullvad, hands down. They do absolutely everything right. Based in Sweden, owned by ideological privacy advocates, technical competence coming out their ears, and even excellent customer service (they helped me find a workaround when one of their updates broke a very strange custom thing I was doing). If you're extra-paranoid, you don't even have to trust their client app; you can use any OpenVPN or Wireguard client you like (although their app is quite good).

Runner-up: ProtonVPN. I have less experience with this one, but they're in Switzerland, they too seem to know what they're doing (it's the same team that runs the excellent ProtonMail encrypted mail service), and their main datacenter is even in an old Swiss Army bomb shelter a kilometer underground, because why the hell not.


However, banking and purchases are precisely what I recommend not using a VPN for. Remember that banks and stores will see that you're connecting from a commercial VPN endpoint, and will (rightly) regard this as potentially suspicious -- people (asshats) DO use these services for shady poo poo. I once did a thing on my Paypal account -- nothing out of the ordinary, just sending a bit of money -- and since I had done it through Mullvad, it immediately got flagged as potentially fraudulent, and I spent the next ten minutes on the phone with them convincing them that yes, it was really me.

Ever since that happened, I keep a separate browser that's configured to go straight out, and not through the VPN that the rest of the computer uses. The Mullvad app's "split tunneling" feature makes that easy -- I use Firefox for my regular VPN-protected browsing, and open Chrome in split-tunneling mode to do anything to do with money, or anything else where I want the server on the other end to see that I'm coming directly from my home IP.

The Bananana
May 21, 2008

This is a metaphor, a Christian allegory. The fact that I have to explain to you that Jesus is the Warthog, and the Banana is drepanocytosis is just embarrassing for you.



Very very very good info.

Yeah, my biggest worry is that.. like... chrome has SOOOO many of my passwords/usernames and personal info in it, from cookies I guess, that if someone were to be able to get into that, I'd be rightly hecked.

cage-free egghead
Mar 8, 2004

The Bananana posted:

Yeah, my biggest worry is that.. like... chrome has SOOOO many of my passwords/usernames and personal info in it, from cookies I guess, that if someone were to be able to get into that, I'd be rightly hecked.

Definitely recommend using a password manager like Bitwarden, Keypass, or even Lastpass just to have additional safeguards in place. It is incredibly easy to export passwords from browsers if someone has access to your PC. They'd have a harder time if they had to get it through a password manager that has a password plus 2-factor authentication.

Mega Comrade
Apr 22, 2004

Listen buddy, we all got problems!

The Bananana posted:

Very very very good info.

Yeah, my biggest worry is that.. like... chrome has SOOOO many of my passwords/usernames and personal info in it, from cookies I guess, that if someone were to be able to get into that, I'd be rightly hecked.

Yeah a password manager is what you want. Ive tried quite a few and have settled on bitwarden. Its open source and you can even host it yourself if you're super paranoid.

VPNs are useful outside of business but mostly for getting around geo-blocking or hiding stuff from your ISP (like :filez:). They don't make your browsing all that much more 'private' regardless of what they claim in their adverts.
With maybe the exception of using public wifi in a cafe or hotel etc.
If you still need one just grab a cheap one like IPA, they are hosted in America but for general use that's fine. If you're doing something like activism then maybe fork out for a better one like Mullvad.

MrOnBicycle
Jan 18, 2008
Wait wat?
I'm thinking of maybe moving from Tutanota to Proton. I've done some searching but not found much that both services don't have as potential negatives privacy-wise. Am I missing some huge scandal that Proton has been involved in that I should be concerned about?

Also, if someone has the Proton ultimate package - would this work to share with my wife (i.e. separate logins for each email adress) or will it all be aliases dumped into the same inbox? Can't seem to find a definitive answer when searching. It would be nice to get my wife to stop using google services.

Nitrousoxide
May 30, 2011

do not buy a oneplus phone



MrOnBicycle posted:

I'm thinking of maybe moving from Tutanota to Proton. I've done some searching but not found much that both services don't have as potential negatives privacy-wise. Am I missing some huge scandal that Proton has been involved in that I should be concerned about?

Also, if someone has the Proton ultimate package - would this work to share with my wife (i.e. separate logins for each email adress) or will it all be aliases dumped into the same inbox? Can't seem to find a definitive answer when searching. It would be nice to get my wife to stop using google services.

No scandal from Proton. It also has some advantages over Tutanota in that I don't believe Microsoft is blocking signups for their services from it which they are are for Tutanota.

MrOnBicycle
Jan 18, 2008
Wait wat?

Nitrousoxide posted:

No scandal from Proton. It also has some advantages over Tutanota in that I don't believe Microsoft is blocking signups for their services from it which they are are for Tutanota.

Thanks! I didn't know that Tutanota was blocked by Microsoft (but don't have any plans on signing up to their services anyway). Just have to convince my wife to give up her gmail (and move / close all accounts...).

Powered Descent
Jul 13, 2008

We haven't had that spirit here since 1969.

Nitrousoxide posted:

No scandal from Proton.

That's not entirely true. A year ago it came out that they had handed over user IP addresses to the cops. Here's my writeup (and my hot take) when it happened, from the Infosec thread:

Powered Descent posted:

ProtonMail is in a bit of hot water for handing over the IP address of one of their users, a French climate activist. It seems they received an order from local Swiss law enforcement, which was working with the French authorities via Europol. The buried lede is that Proton is apparently now receiving thousands of these orders per year. To their credit, they're fighting many of them.

Yahoo! News posted:

ProtonMail’s public disclosures also log an alarming rise in requests for data by Swiss authorities.

According to its transparency report, ProtonMail received 13 orders from Swiss authorities back in 2017 — but that had swelled to over three and a half thousand (3,572!) by 2020.

The number of foreign requests to Swiss authorities which are being approved has also risen, although not as steeply — with ProtonMail reporting receiving 13 such requests in 2017 — rising to 195 in 2020.

The company says it complies with lawful requests for user data but it also says it contests orders where it does not believe them to be lawful. And its reporting shows an increase in contested orders -- with ProtonMail contesting three orders back in 2017 but in 2020 it pushed back against 750 of the data requests it received.

Source: https://sg.news.yahoo.com/protonmail-logged-ip-address-french-114607314.html

Users are up in arms, and the company is in damage control mode. Here's a twitter thread from Proton CEO Andy Yen:

https://twitter.com/andyyen/status/1434665927631679491

Here's the company's full statement on the matter: https://protonmail.com/blog/climate-activist-arrest/. tl;dr: they're blaming the Swiss government for overstepping, and reassuring users that only metadata can be compromised this way, not the data itself. (But heyyy, how important could metadata be, right?) They also promise to be clearer to their users about what their encryption model does and does not protect against, and they'll be pushing Tor/VPN use a little harder.

My hot take is that this looks bad at first, but on reflection, really the only thing Proton is at fault for is implying too much about their security and user protections. The theme of their entire business is user privacy and security, which means they should have done a better job of publicizing the stuff in their transparency report, and educating users about what the company can and cannot be legally forced to do, before an incident like this made news. They certainly didn't lie, but they were less forthcoming than they might have been.

Despite this, I do still trust Proton. They could have been more transparent about what was going on, but from a technical perspective, it's hard to see what else they could have done.

BlankSystemDaemon
Mar 13, 2009



Powered Descent posted:

That's not entirely true. A year ago it came out that they had handed over user IP addresses to the cops. Here's my writeup (and my hot take) when it happened, from the Infosec thread:

Despite this, I do still trust Proton. They could have been more transparent about what was going on, but from a technical perspective, it's hard to see what else they could have done.
I mean, it's not as if anyone else can do any better if they're in any jurisdiction where the laws let active investigations nullify all privacy concerns, - and that, I'm pretty sure, is true for all countries where goons live.
There's precious few places where that isn't the case; Seychelles used to have no laws on this kind of thing but implemented them when they found out they were harbouring all manner of criminals in datacenters, and it's probable that any existing country without similar laws will be under significant pressure from their trade partners to implement them.

In any country where such laws exist, the service providers need to keep logs to protect their own asses, as if they don't they'll be on the hook for whatever criminality their servers are being used to commit - which is ultimately why any privacy provider promising to not keep logs is probably not telling the truth or not all of it.

MrOnBicycle
Jan 18, 2008
Wait wat?
Ok yeah I agree with the above points.

Unrelated but fits this thread (or maybe the OPsec thread). For some reason the equivalent to a county where I live in Sweden decided that when developing the next system for keeping medical records etc (i.e the tool we work with), hiring an American firm to develop it AND host the medical records in servers located in the US was a good idea. In other words I guess that would mean that the US gov could in theory have access to a large portion of Swedish citizens medical records. Thankfully this was uncovered and a scandal ensued. The whole system is delayed by 4 years and will cost a ton more than predicted. Nice.

buglord
Jul 31, 2010

Cheating at a raffle? I sentence you to 1 year in jail! No! Two years! Three! Four! Five years! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah!

Buglord

cage-free egghead posted:

Definitely recommend using a password manager like Bitwarden, Keypass, or even Lastpass just to have additional safeguards in place. It is incredibly easy to export passwords from browsers if someone has access to your PC. They'd have a harder time if they had to get it through a password manager that has a password plus 2-factor authentication.

No offense but wasnt Lastpass the ones with clownshoes security and a whole bunch of breaches? My passwords were safe until I switched to Lastpass, then everything leaked. 1Passwords seems to be a better option, last I checked. Been using it for 2-3 years, but im not sure if it suddenly sucks now.

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mariooncrack
Dec 27, 2008
Parts of their source were leaked recently:

https://www.theverge.com/2022/8/26/23323738/lastpass-security-incident-source-code


buglord posted:

No offense but wasnt Lastpass the ones with clownshoes security and a whole bunch of breaches?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LastPass#Security_issues

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