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Poohs Packin
Jan 13, 2019

My god, Winston, is that infernal sun still giving my buttocks that entirely too cool smirk?!


I had a re-watch of National Lampoon's Christmas Vacation (1989) and I realized these two things:

1. Its not that funny anymore
2. The next door neighbours (Todd and Margo) are consistently portrayed as uptight yuppies who deserve to have their nights and home ruined by the rag-tag yet "real" Griswolds. The Griswolds absolutely terrorize these people through sheer ignorance and obnoxious behavior. The Griswolds are lovely loving neighbours.

Todd and Margo have no children and live in a very nice suburb of Chicago. They are clearly busy professionals just trying to enjoy their time off. At one point they are seen enjoying margaritas and a cheese plate, a combination that while decidedly "un-christmas-y" sounds like a really nice respite from the stodgy egg-nog and roast being enjoyed next door. At one point, when Clark is hanging a truly obnoxious amount of Christmas lights; they hope that he might fall and break his neck. This is meant to portray them as soulless and detestable, but they've had to put up with this selfish, tradition-obsessed, disaster prone maniac for untold Christmas seasons. If my next door neighbours were pumping the blackwater from their camper trailer into the storm drain in front of my home, let alone downing trees through my windows while I'm trying to drink some booze and enjoy the DINK life with my beautiful wife who happens to be Julia Louis-Dreyfuss, I'd be more than a bit upset. I doubt I'd call the police, but I might poo poo in their new swimming pool.

Cheers

edit: Oh yeah and their jogging and fitness is presented as being elitist and silly instead of just a good balanced way to live. These people are completely justified in their frustration.

Poohs Packin fucked around with this message at 11:25 on Jan 23, 2021

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Lil Swamp Booger Baby
Feb 17, 2011

meat




Reminds me of Christmas with the Kranks where you're supposed to think this middle-aged couple skipping the holiday and having to do meaningless poo poo like put up decorations or buy a whole bunch of gifts for people you barely know or are distantly related to, is somehow a really bad thing.
Like they decide to go on a Caribbean cruise instead of blowing thousands of dollars like the years before and their daughter is on some Peace Corps thing or something so they don't have anyone that they're really "obligated" to share the holiday with.

And it's basically an hour and a half of their neighbors tormenting and shaming them for not wanting to celebrate Christmas and go enjoy themselves on a nice cruise. I hate that movie so much.

Lil Swamp Booger Baby
Feb 17, 2011

meat




Tbh it's an extremely nightmarish scenario to imagine a neighborhood of Christmas obsessed conservatives harassing you nonstop to force you to engage in their religious holiday.

E: I would actually be interested in hearing more opinions about movies where the people made out to be bad guys are actually being treated unreasonably, and I don't mean tacky poo poo like "KILLMONGER WAS RIGHT," I mean more down to earth crap like people being assholes to the Kranks for not wanting to go to Christmas or Todd and Margo being tormented by a family of imbeciles nonstop.

Lil Swamp Booger Baby fucked around with this message at 11:36 on Jan 23, 2021

Smugworth
Apr 18, 2003

Well, I've got brain damage on the side of my brain, and I don't know which side, left or right, where I huffed gasoline for ten long years.



Todd and Margo are self-insertion characters for the Harvard-educated writers of the National Lampoon, OP.

The story of the Griswolds is a Christmas version of Pulp's Common People told by the wealthy, jaded elite.

you broke my grill
Jul 11, 2019



Margo took the Lord's name in vain

Poohs Packin
Jan 13, 2019

My god, Winston, is that infernal sun still giving my buttocks that entirely too cool smirk?!


Smugworth posted:

Todd and Margo are self-insertion characters for the Harvard-educated writers of the National Lampoon, OP.

The story of the Griswolds is a Christmas version of Pulp's Common People told by the wealthy, jaded elite.

I think they are really just cheap and opportunistic pariahs, that were likely decided upon becsuse "lol its 1989 nobody likes yuppies".

Its like Larry the Cable Guy railing on about "hipsters" or some other nebulous group.

Son of Rodney
Feb 22, 2006

ohmygodohmygodohmygod



I watched it with my gf who never saw it before, it's actually still very funny and my families go to christmas movie

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

Don't be so gloomy. After all it's not that awful. Like the fella says, in Italy for thirty years under the Borgias they had warfare, terror, murder, and bloodshed, but they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci, and the Renaissance.


Smellrose

they suck op

Poohs Packin
Jan 13, 2019

My god, Winston, is that infernal sun still giving my buttocks that entirely too cool smirk?!



Y tho

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

Don't be so gloomy. After all it's not that awful. Like the fella says, in Italy for thirty years under the Borgias they had warfare, terror, murder, and bloodshed, but they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci, and the Renaissance.


Smellrose


in a cut scene todd is the guy who convinced the boss to do the jelly of the month thing to make number go up

Big Beef City
Aug 15, 2013




National Lampoon movies are wildly over rated.

Poohs Packin
Jan 13, 2019

My god, Winston, is that infernal sun still giving my buttocks that entirely too cool smirk?!


Vincent Van Goatse posted:

in a cut scene todd is the guy who convinced the boss to do the jelly of the month thing to make number go up

I dont remember that bit, but none of that is known to the Griswolds, so their behavior is still lovely. Clark's reaction to not receiving his bonus is also notably terrible and indicative of the entitlement of boomers in the 80s.

Poohs Packin
Jan 13, 2019

My god, Winston, is that infernal sun still giving my buttocks that entirely too cool smirk?!


Big Beef City posted:

National Lampoon movies are wildly over rated.

"Animal House" is beyond awful

Wall Balls
Jun 3, 2007

Spanish Castle Magic



me ---> <--- op

Poohs Packin
Jan 13, 2019

My god, Winston, is that infernal sun still giving my buttocks that entirely too cool smirk?!




Me irl

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

Don't be so gloomy. After all it's not that awful. Like the fella says, in Italy for thirty years under the Borgias they had warfare, terror, murder, and bloodshed, but they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci, and the Renaissance.


Smellrose

Poohs Packin posted:

I dont remember that bit, but none of that is known to the Griswolds, so their behavior is still lovely. Clark's reaction to not receiving his bonus is also notably terrible and indicative of the entitlement of boomers in the 80s.

how about shut up

ClamdestineBoyster
Aug 15, 2015


Sir this is an Arthur treachers drive thru.

Poohs Packin
Jan 13, 2019

My god, Winston, is that infernal sun still giving my buttocks that entirely too cool smirk?!


Vincent Van Goatse posted:

how about shut up

Sorry you couldn't get your family that in ground pool.

Lutha Mahtin
Oct 10, 2010

Your brokebrain sin is absolved...go and shitpost no more!


Lil Swamp Booger Baby posted:

Tbh it's an extremely nightmarish scenario to imagine a neighborhood of Christmas obsessed conservatives harassing you nonstop to force you to engage in their religious holiday.

Lil Swamp Booger Baby
Feb 17, 2011

meat





Um, ok.

Inverted Icon
Apr 8, 2020


No santa, or tree, or snowman

Issue the christian fatwa

Lil Swamp Booger Baby
Feb 17, 2011

meat




Inverted Icon posted:

No santa, or tree, or snowman

Issue the christian fatwa

In the words of Sean Paul, no steam fish nor no green banana.

Poohs Packin
Jan 13, 2019

My god, Winston, is that infernal sun still giving my buttocks that entirely too cool smirk?!


Lil Swamp Booger Baby posted:

In the words of Sean Paul, no steam fish nor no green banana.

Down in jamaica make it hot like a sauna

ArmZ
Jun 5, 2004

You are what you want.





the national lampoon documentary on Netflix is a good watch because it makes you realize what shits all those people were

Slugworth
Feb 18, 2001

If two grown men can't make a pervert happy for a few minutes in order to watch a film about zombies, then maybe we should all just move to Iran!


Poohs Packin posted:

I dont remember that bit, but none of that is known to the Griswolds, so their behavior is still lovely. Clark's reaction to not receiving his bonus is also notably terrible and indicative of the entitlement of boomers in the 80s.
Common misconception in America, but wanting to be compensated for your labor is actually not entitled behavior. If it has been established that the bonus is a percentage of profits or otherwise based on his performance, then so be it, but it is portrayed as a cost cutting measure by the boss. So to cut costs, he pays his employees less, and without warning.

barnold
Dec 16, 2011

...but i didnt finish




Big Beef City posted:

National Lampoon movies are wildly over rated.

van wilder is a cinematic masterpiece. citizen kane for a modern era

vandalism
Aug 4, 2003


Curmudgeons ITT

MY INEVITABLE DEBT
Apr 21, 2011

just one more spin

Poohs Packin posted:

I dont remember that bit, but none of that is known to the Griswolds, so their behavior is still lovely. Clark's reaction to not receiving his bonus is also notably terrible and indicative of the entitlement of boomers in the 80s.

look at this fuckin idiot defending the actual villain of the movie while trying to ham handedly defend minor antagonists. buhhh the griswolds are stupid because clark wanted to get paid for his labor

dumbass.

PeterCat
Apr 8, 2020

Believe women.


Slugworth posted:

Common misconception in America, but wanting to be compensated for your labor is actually not entitled behavior. If it has been established that the bonus is a percentage of profits or otherwise based on his performance, then so be it, but it is portrayed as a cost cutting measure by the boss. So to cut costs, he pays his employees less, and without warning.

Clark lives in a huge house in the Chicago suburbs and his expected "bonus" is enough to pay for a swimming pool.

He's not an oppressed member of the proletariat.

stratdax
Sep 14, 2006


Poohs Packin posted:

"Animal House" is beyond awful

MY INEVITABLE DEBT
Apr 21, 2011

just one more spin

PeterCat posted:

Clark lives in a huge house in the Chicago suburbs and his expected "bonus" is enough to pay for a swimming pool.

He's not an oppressed member of the proletariat.

oh then i guess it's ok to steal his wages because he can afford a pool with a huge cash bonus

PeterCat
Apr 8, 2020

Believe women.



Well, at least the frat guy didn't rape his drunk underage date.

The he does get called a "homo" for his choice.

PeterCat
Apr 8, 2020

Believe women.


MY INEVITABLE DEBT posted:

oh then i guess it's ok to steal his wages because he can afford a pool with a huge cash bonus

Who's wages are getting stolen?

He got paid his normal salary, a bonus is extra by definition.

yikes!
Jul 5, 2006




Soiled Meat

PeterCat posted:

Clark lives in a huge house in the Chicago suburbs and his expected "bonus" is enough to pay for a swimming pool.

He's not an oppressed member of the proletariat.

so what

MY INEVITABLE DEBT
Apr 21, 2011

just one more spin

PeterCat posted:

Who's wages are getting stolen?

He got paid his normal salary, a bonus is extra by definition.

drat i was having fun posting in this thread but you're actually stupid :/

Big Beef City
Aug 15, 2013




I'd like to 'seize the means of production' of most of the posts on this page, if you know what I mean

Internetjack
Sep 15, 2007

oh god how did this get here i am not good with computers


Top Cop

It's pretty much the same gimmick as Married With Children. The Bundy's are the deplorable neighbors featured as the heroes, and the Darcy's are the well intentioned, courteous yuppie people treated as the big dummies. That's how I remember it at least, been a decade or two since I saw it.

Lil Swamp Booger Baby
Feb 17, 2011

meat




Married With Effluvium

Internetjack
Sep 15, 2007

oh god how did this get here i am not good with computers


Top Cop


Hey, I just learned a new word! Wonders never cease. Thanks

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PeterCat
Apr 8, 2020

Believe women.


MY INEVITABLE DEBT posted:

drat i was having fun posting in this thread but you're actually stupid :/

You're talking about stealing his wages, what about that?

How about the poor pool installer who Clark was trying to defraud by floating a check to get his new pool in as early as possible?

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