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Impossibly Perfect Sphere posted:If the Chiefs win, is Mahomes already a HoFer? Provided he doesn't suffer a career ending injury soon? Yeah
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If he wins a second superbowl then gets butt cancer or whatever he's got at least the Terrell Davis resume, so yeah, presumably. Which I mention so that I can say that 2000-2006, 2007-2014 and 2015-2021 Brady are each HoF careers.
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Jan 26, 2021 16:55
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Terrell Davis getting in recently really set the bar low.
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Jan 26, 2021 17:02
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SunshineDanceParty posted:Terrell Davis getting in recently really set the bar low. Nah. Davis had like 2,500+ more yards than Gale Sayers, who was the definition of a peak vs longevity guy. Plus Davis had all his post season numbers, a 2,000-yard season where he basically played 13 games, and an MVP. He had to wait a while to get in, and that was fine. The low bar, if anything, was Lynn Swann. He’s entirely in because of a couple of NFL Films highlights and being the softest bitch on the 70’s Steelers.
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Jan 26, 2021 17:13
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I’m entirely okay with the candle that burns twice as bright getting in over long career accumulators. Being the best about in the league and winning a chip for two straight seasons is enough in my book.
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Jan 26, 2021 17:15
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My view is if you're a top player at your position for like 3 seasons, you deserve to be in the HoF. Like it should be a no doubter that Patrick Willis should be in or Calvin Johnson.
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Jan 26, 2021 17:18
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fartknocker posted:Nah. Davis had like 2,500+ more yards than Gale Sayers, who was the definition of a peak vs longevity guy. Plus Davis had all his post season numbers, a 2,000-yard season where he basically played 13 games, and an MVP. He had to wait a while to get in, and that was fine.
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Jan 26, 2021 17:19
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R.D. Mangles posted:Mahomes is already the greatest quarterback I've ever seen, he's the Barry Sanders of quarterbacks just doing poo poo that shouldn't be possible all of the time. Its almost infuriating watching him hit a WR going full speed 25 yards down field with Mahomes' shoulders parallel to the route. He's so good, but he is a human highligh real of "Dont do this. This shouldn't work"
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Jan 26, 2021 17:19
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Paint Crop Pro posted:
Isn't that Favre?
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Jan 26, 2021 17:20
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I mean for Farve a lot of the time it didn’t
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Jan 26, 2021 17:25
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a neat cape posted:Isn't that Favre? Favre through a ton more interceptions He's Favre +1.
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Jan 26, 2021 17:26
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Paint Crop Pro posted:Favre through a ton more interceptions Yeah, but guys were allowed to cover receivers back when Favre was good.
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Jan 26, 2021 17:27
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Can't tell you how many times people used Favre as a cautionary tale with Mahomes but Mahomes threw so many passes in college that his INT rate was very low and has continued to be low since he got in the league. In short he's a lot better than Favre. The guy had 41 TDs and 10 INTs his junior year and draft profiles all called him some kind of funslinger. Never forget he threw three interceptions in a training camp practice and everybody flipped out.
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Jan 26, 2021 17:30
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CharlestheHammer posted:I mean for Farve a lot of the time it didn’t Yeah Favre had 3.3% INT rate. Mahomes is 1.4% INT rate so far  And the last 2 seasons his INT rate is 1% lol
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Jan 26, 2021 17:30
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Mahomes should be in the Hall if he retires today
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Jan 26, 2021 17:31
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Yeah comparing INT rate from guys now to guys from before 2003 is kinda disingenuous. What was Favre's INT rate post 2003 and pre 2003?
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Jan 26, 2021 17:34
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Favre took a lot of risks because he was strong enough he could just throw the ball so hard defenders wouldn't always be able to come down with it. I remember stories of him breaking WRs fingers because he threw at max power almost all the time. Mahomes has a level of touch and finesse to go with his arm strength far beyond anything Favre had. Don't get me wrong, Favre owns and is one of the best ever, but he also has the most ints ever because he was just slinging the ball with all he had.
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Jan 26, 2021 17:37
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Altogether now: "He was just having fun out there!"
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Jan 26, 2021 17:38
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Favre could have done so much more if he gave a poo poo.
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Jan 26, 2021 17:38
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I like how most sane persons go "Mahomes is likely the best quarterback to ever play the game regardless of rings and is a HoFer three seasons into his starter career" and still a Chiefs poster managed to melt down a few days ago because in his eyes some dumb article didn't show his QB enough respect
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a neat cape posted:Yeah comparing INT rate from guys now to guys from before 2003 is kinda disingenuous. I understand what you guys are saying about Favre and no doubt his interceptions would be lower with today's rules but on the other side of the coin I have just watched with my own eyes so many horrible decisions that turned into picks
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Jan 26, 2021 17:39
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Favre could have done so much more if he gave a poo poo. The Shaq of quarterbacks
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Jan 26, 2021 17:39
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a neat cape posted:Yeah comparing INT rate from guys now to guys from before 2003 is kinda disingenuous. Favre int % by year: 1992 2.8 1993 4.6 1994 2.4 1995 2.3 1996 2.4 1997 3.1 1998 4.2 1999 3.9 2000 2.8 2001 2.9 2002 2.9 2003 4.5 2004 3.1 2005 4.8 2006 2.9 2007 2.8 2008 4.2 2009 1.3 2010 5.3 So not really a big change for him based on ruleset.
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Jan 26, 2021 17:39
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Favre 92 - 02 INT rate 3.12% Favre 03 - 10 INT rate 3.61% I excluded his rookie season where he had a 50% INT rate for obvious reasons
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Jan 26, 2021 17:40
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kiimo posted:I understand what you guys are saying about Favre and no doubt his interceptions would be lower with today's rules but on the other side of the coin I have just watched with my own eyes so many horrible decisions that turned into picks I mean it goes with any QB. Dan Fouts has almost a 1:1 TD/INT ratio because DBs were allowed to murder receivers
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Mystic Stylez posted:I like how most sane persons go "Mahomes is likely the best quarterback to ever play the game regardless of rings and is a HoFer three seasons into his starter career" and still a Chiefs poster managed to melt down a few days ago because in his eyes some dumb article didn't show his QB enough respect Some Chiefs fans are idiots, but also many have Elvis Cassel PTSD which is a rare but serious condition
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Jan 26, 2021 17:40
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Ehud posted:Favre 92 - 02 INT rate Lol I love Favre
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Jan 26, 2021 17:41
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a neat cape posted:Yeah comparing INT rate from guys now to guys from before 2003 is kinda disingenuous. It actually went up, but he was old and got really dumb with the football as he aged.
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Jan 26, 2021 17:41
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kiimo posted:Some Chiefs fans are idiots, but also many have Elvis Cassel PTSD which is a rare but serious condition Is this like the same condition Raiders fans had after Jamarcus where they thought Bruce Gradkowski was a good QB?
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Jan 26, 2021 17:42
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In short It was down to 2.2% this year. Which really makes Jameis Winston that much more amazing.
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Jan 26, 2021 17:45
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X for DPOY!
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Jan 26, 2021 17:46
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Kalli posted:In short Don’t worry he got LASIK I’m sure he’ll be better 🙄
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Jan 26, 2021 17:49
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Kalli posted:In short Winston had throws he wanted to make and was not going to let reads get in his way
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Jan 26, 2021 17:50
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It takes real loving effort to throw 30 interceptions because you’d usually get benched before then.
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Jan 26, 2021 17:53
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You cant defend a perfect throw, and Im going to make every throw perfect* *Results may vary
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Let's say Russ plays 2-3 more seasons at his current level and then retires. Does he get into the Hall?
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Jan 26, 2021 18:14
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Weird to say he'd already been in if they gave the ball to Marshawn on exactly one running play
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Manoueverable posted:Let's say Russ plays 2-3 more seasons at his current level and then retires. Does he get into the Hall? Not without an MVP vote
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Jan 26, 2021 18:19
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I would say he deserves it, but might get squeezed by the current logjam of obvious HoF qbs retiring within a couple of years of him.
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Manoueverable posted:Let's say Russ plays 2-3 more seasons at his current level and then retires. Does he get into the Hall? Probably, but likely not as a first ballot guy. He doesn’t have any All-Pros or MVPs, not really due to any faults of his own but largely the era that he plays in. That sort of thing can hold him up, much as it did all the pass rushers from the 80’s who played at the same time as LT. If he only has one ring, and that being in big part due to his defense, it’ll also hold things up, and it would then where he finishes statistically in key passing categories would begin to matter a lot more.
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